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MarcAuron

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#41
Jan 12, 2012
Step 1. Remove DRM.
Step 2. Endure publisher and shareholder ****storm for removing DRM.
Step 3. Pursue Pirates to calm publishers and shareholders, risk everything in court and take a few sacrifice lambs in to account.
Step 4. Give up on piracy persecution for a minority, when pretty much everyone that purchased the game has at least 2 or more ways to prove they bought the game, and show that word of mouth can bury a independent developer faster than everything else.
Step 5. Everyone now closely monitoring them, having an eye on their work and demanding more control.
Step 6.Discover that once upon a time there where hundreds developers like them, that overnight became just another IP.

I bet that a DRM free Witcher3 will not be as easy like it was for Witcher 2 with the fast removal.
Larian recently removed DRM from Ego Draconis and DKS.

Annoying thing that mostly the "privacy concerned," are most of the time the most incompetent about the ways of protecting it,and complaining about it by giving incredibly "competent sources" like http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/ the needed attention and hits when this can be discredited within minutes, but the Piracy supporters are a very vocal group everywhere.

I bet something like EA Origin is a better solution for them because it :
"works like steam"
"can be sandboxed"-not really.
"it's a service for friends ans stuff"-Yea , not really it's a platform in the making.
"As long as it's not like Ubisoft"-not gonna comment.

I hope they get away better than most others did, there is lots left to desired coming form the publisher marketing side, and 1 mil copies is a base to even think about presenting them their next project.
They should stop listening to fans, on everything business related and do their own thing.
 
Aver

Aver

Forum veteran
#42
Jan 12, 2012
Problem is that Blizzard makes games that are dedicated to play online - multiplayer, and pirates can't play online so it's pretty damn good antipiracy protection. Do you wanna play only online games? I love SC2 - I play it everyday, but I can't live without games like TW2, Deadspace etc.
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#43
Jan 12, 2012
Aver said:
Problem is that Blizzard makes games that are dedicated to play online - multiplayer, and pirates can't play online so it's pretty damn good antipiracy protection. Do you wanna play only online games? I love SC2 - I play it everyday, but I can't live without games like TW2, Deadspace etc.
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Starcraft 2 can very well be played offline if you are just interested in a campaign or skirmish, and yes Blizzard does have a certain focus on multiplayer, they had since Warcraft 2 but I do think they did and will continue delivering very solid SP experiences.

Let's face it Starcraft 2 has a shit story to it, but the gameplay in the campaign? Amazing.
 
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Aver

Forum veteran
#44
Jan 12, 2012
CostinMoroianu said:
Starcraft 2 can very well be played offline if you are just interested in a campaign or skirmish, and yes Blizzard does have a certain focus on multiplayer, they had since Warcraft 2 but I do think they did and will continue delivering very solid SP experiences.

Let's face it Starcraft 2 has a shit story to it, but the gameplay in the campaign? Amazing.
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Well, I would never buy their game for only single player. It's ok, but not that good as in single player dedicated games.
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#45
Jan 12, 2012
Depends really. Never really cared about MP in SC2, played it but went back to Warcraft 3 MP shortly after. I did spent hundreds of hours in both SP and MP though, though that's short compared to the thousands of hours I spent in WC3.

Nowadays there just aren't that many good strategy games anymore. I'd wonder if CDPR would make a RTS about the new Nilfgaardian War, would be epic I think.
 
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dragoonlordz

Rookie
#46
Jan 12, 2012
CostinMoroianu said:
Nowadays there just aren't that many good strategy games anymore. I'd wonder if CDPR would make a RTS about the new Nilfgaardian War, would be epic I think.
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No.

They should stick to what makes them special, amazing RPG's and not spread themselves too thin on random genres which they have never created before.

As far as I am concerned the next IP they should make although is already likely to be Hussle, should be a Victorian or Edwardian themed RPG, failing that SteamPunk or Wild West themed RPG imho. The keyword however is "RPG" and not go wandering off into some random place making something they have no proven track record of doing well aka RTS, while RPG's on the other hand they have got that.
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#47
Jan 12, 2012
Dragoonlordz said:
No.

They should stick to what makes them special, amazing RPG's and not spread themselves too thin on random genres which they have never created before.
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Aren't they making that FPS, They? I know it was another company that they swallowed but still.

I am not sure if we can expect every game from CDPR to be an RPG. I mean they did announce a big title every few years and 1-2 smaller titles in between. I wouldn't want those small titles to be RPGs. I want pieces of art when I play an RPG after all. That incredible experience that will leave wanting more.

I am curios to see however what kind of world the developers would create from just their imagination, since for the Witcher games they already had a Universe to go on, and a very rich universe it was!
 
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Kindo.824

Forum veteran
#48
Jan 13, 2012
Praise be to Melitele!
 
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dragoonlordz

Rookie
#49
Jan 13, 2012
CostinMoroianu said:
Aren't they making that FPS, They? I know it was another company that they swallowed but still.

I am not sure if we can expect every game from CDPR to be an RPG. I mean they did announce a big title every few years and 1-2 smaller titles in between. I wouldn't want those small titles to be RPGs. I want pieces of art when I play an RPG after all. That incredible experience that will leave wanting more.

I am curios to see however what kind of world the developers would create from just their imagination, since for the Witcher games they already had a Universe to go on, and a very rich universe it was!
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Flying Wild Hog are the ones making Hard Reset. I believe that's the one you mean.

Also yes I believe they should stick to what they are good at rather than faff about trying to please every random persons whims for other genres (especially FPS genre). They shouldn't follow in Bioware's recent footsteps where they have released a truly poor game after diluting RPG into hack and slash genre (with added conversation wheel) or MMO's which are unlikely to ever make back the 300+million invested (so far) in it given they came in at a time when MMO's are declining in popularity and subscription number will drop fast over time or RTS titles based on by far probably the worst C&C I have ever played which was the original Generals.

Leave Sandbox RPG's to Bethesda, Eidos can keep doing FPS-RPG hybrids (just don't export boss development to alternative developers anymore), Bioware can keep sinking in popularity as they push further into diluting their IP's and filling their title's with gimmicks trying to fit a one size fits all approach in development which is doomed from the start to failure. CDP-R imho should stick to amazing RPG's with epic branching choices, plots and narratives.

What you actually could want and I would object less too, is if they allowed a proven track record of high quality strategy titles developer to make that title rather than CDP-R faffing around on something they haven't done before. There are so few times where a developer just randomly switches genre and it's turned out to be an amazing game that would make the risk worthwhile to me and would rather have a amazing RPG than risk of mediocre to average RTS.
 
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secondchildren

Forum veteran
#50
Jan 13, 2012
Members plese, I'd gently ask you to not advocating piracy in any case and do not flame at each other. This is your first and only warning.
 
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Dona.794

Forum veteran
#51
Jan 13, 2012
Dragoonlordz said:
Flying Wild Hog are the ones making Hard Reset. I believe that's the one you mean.
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Nope, CDP was to publish a FPS game called "They", developed by Metropolis Software. It is currently on hold.

. Promo movie (bonus points for creeper Geralt in the background)
. More info
 
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dragoonlordz

Rookie
#52
Jan 13, 2012
Dona said:
Nope, CDP was to publish a FPS game called "They", developed by Metropolis Software. It is currently on hold.

. Promo movie (bonus points for creeper Geralt in the background)
. More info
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They can publish whatever want imho, it is different to what I am saying of I do not think they should switch from developing RPG's to FPS or RTS. Publishing another previous studios title is fine by me. As for developing themselves taking work force who made TW1+2 and instead shoving them onto an FPS or RTS I think would be an epic bad mistake. They have more than one development teams according to what you linked, I think the team that made such an epic title as TW2 should continue to stick to making more epic RPG's.
 
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MarcAuron

Senior user
#53
Jan 13, 2012
Strange thing I got somewhere that they are going to publish Larian's Dragon Commander, a mixture of RTS with RPG elements, game looks fun and it's the Divinity 2 setting.
 
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dragoonlordz

Rookie
#54
Jan 13, 2012
MarcAuron said:
Strange thing I got somewhere that they are going to publish Larian's Dragon Commander, a mixture of RTS with RPG elements, game looks fun and it's the Divinity 2 setting.
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First time heard that title's name, I think CDP again are just publishing. I'm fine with them publishing titles I just don't want them to dilute/switch the Witcher development team to another genre (instead of) RPG's which is what I am opposed to.
 
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Thoric

Senior user
#55
Jan 13, 2012
A lot of other developers and publishers would’ve stuck with it, just so it doesn’t appear like they’ve made a mistake. *cough* Ubisoft *cough*

It takes a lot to own up like that, and shows that CDPR have real trust in their community.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#56
Jan 13, 2012
Cdpr make me feel guilty with how how well they treat me as a customer, the pirating things none of my business but a public climb down like this shows real integrity and class. Ferthu Hal.
 
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227

Forum veteran
#57
Jan 13, 2012
Going to write this as fast as I can since this thread has already got a warning and will probably be locked incredibly soon.

I checked the website of the lawyers that CDP were using and it wasn't pretty. They were basically everything that everyone hates in lawyers. To paraphrase something written on there, "While it's possible to download without uploading, we can't prove that the upload doesn't happen so we'll just assume that it does." Another part is about how their job is more to their clients than the law. It was concerning, and this is good news in that those people aren't running the show anymore.

Also keep in mind that this doesn't mean that CDP is okay with piracy or giving pirates free reign to steal whatever they want. Now it's up to us to do what we can to persuade people to buy legally, and I really do think that individual fans can have a much more measured and PR-friendly response to piracy. You can say what you want, but CDP was only targeting a few thousand pirates in one country. We can make compelling arguments for legally purchasing the game on a far greater scale than that.
 
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RageGT

Forum veteran
#58
Jan 13, 2012
CDProjekt should really go after Pirates. But after the real ones. The ones that mass produces cheap copies in awful quality media and sells in the streets or outlets or even shopping centres all over the planet.

They will be surprised to see that the majority of the games copied, pressed and sold in such "stores" are for the console.

Forget about downloading. It does not hurt the industry at all. It is a sale you would never make and if someone who d/l'ed end up buying the real thing, it is a sale you gained as a bonus.

Now, illegal commerce of faked or pirate products generate billions of dollars and that is what hurt the industry. Go get what is legitimately your money, "Industry"! I'm sure I could find a dvd copy of TW2 for some 10 Reais (around 6 USD) in one of those stores in São Paulo. But they are "made in China" so I don't believe they're sold only here!
 
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CostinRaz

Banned
#59
Jan 13, 2012
Rage: I am not so sure if illegal disc sellers exist in countries like the US, Canada, UK etc. They did here until 2006 then police cracked down very hard on them, oh they still exist. No doubt on that.

The issue with that however is that really should be something police should deal with...of course police in a lot of countries where this exists ( I don't want to think about piracy in China really ) probably are corrupt as hell.

Dragoonlordz: Well they've been hiring developers to grow their team, so we'll see what they make.

A lot of other developers and publishers would’ve stuck with it, just so it doesn’t appear like they’ve made a mistake.
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Yeah I know what you mean. I love Assassin's Creed but I would sooner shot myself then play AC2.

Same would go for Command and Conquer 4, another game that requires a permanent online connection, though unlike AC2 it actually sucks.
 
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SkycladGuardian

Forum veteran
#60
Jan 13, 2012
227 said:
Another part is about how their job is more to their clients than the law.
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I thought that is the case with all lawyers :p



227 said:
Forget about downloading. It does not hurt the industry at all. It is a sale you would never make and if someone who d/l'ed end up buying the real thing, it is a sale you gained as a bonus.
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Well, this is a very naive point of view. If you just look at the estimated numbers of torrents, and leave out other sources of online-piracy (like rapidshare & co, usenet etc.) the numbers are staggering.
Actually, there even is a method, which allow a fairly educated guess of lost sales due to piracy. Based on the numbers of shipped computers combined with numbers of shipped graphics cards by Nvidia and AMD, you can established that there are at least as many PCs capable of gaming (a large amount at low-end, but still) as there are PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles combined. In plain English this means the potential market for video games for the PC is at least as big as that for PS3 and Xbox360 consoles.

If we look now at the sales figures of some very anticipated games like the CoD series, we could expect due to the similar size of the markets roughly an equal number of sales on PC and consoles respectively (maybe 20 to 50% more sales on the consoles, because of CoD casual gameplay). But the reality is quite different. Sales for the console version top those for the PC version with a ratio of 5:1 or even 10:1!

There is not really an explanation other the rampant piracy among the PC gaming community: both version of the CoD games, console or PC, are rated equally positive, so it can't be that the PC version is somehow inferior or less enjoyable that its console counterpart. To me it's obvious that the reason for these staggering differences in sales figures is piracy, since it demands much more sophisticated means to use pirated games on a console compared to simply use a torrent on the PC.

I do not say that I support all means against piracy, but to say that illegal downloads do not hurt the industry is in my book incredible short-sighted.
 
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