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Well think of it as you will, but branding people criminals when they are not, and thus placing on the same stand with thieves, murderers and rapists, is just wrong.
To me piracy is not a crime nor is it morally wrong, I do buy games rather then pirate them because I get a better service for it ( Tech support, multiplayer etc. ), but I don't care if someone pirates. It's their own goddamn business.
Anyone claiming piracy affects the industry negatively doesn't know what they are talking about. The vast majority of people who pirate don't do it because they can get games for free, they do it because they want to play those games but lack the money.
The industry has been shouting against "piracy" or the ability to copy stuff, since the ability to do so became available, and I'm not talking here just about games, but movies and songs as well. Now we have America about to vote on fucking SOPA, which would destroy the internet as we know it.
To me piracy is not a crime nor is it morally wrong, I do buy games rather then pirate them because I get a better service for it ( Tech support, multiplayer etc. ), but I don't care if someone pirates. It's their own goddamn business.
Anyone claiming piracy affects the industry negatively doesn't know what they are talking about. The vast majority of people who pirate don't do it because they can get games for free, they do it because they want to play those games but lack the money.
The industry has been shouting against "piracy" or the ability to copy stuff, since the ability to do so became available, and I'm not talking here just about games, but movies and songs as well. Now we have America about to vote on fucking SOPA, which would destroy the internet as we know it.
Well, in that case, branding thieves along with rapists as criminals is wrong. - 'Cause maybe they stole out of hunger?CostinMoroianu said:
You see where I'm aiming at? - It's opinions that matter here. I expressed mine. You expressed yours. But we are both neither right nor wrong.
And then again, I never said piracy was wrong 'cause it is bad for the industry. I just find it unfair towards the developers of the game. That's why it's wrong and a crime for me.
I do find piracy to be unfair toward the devs...but I ain't no angel myself, to be honest.
The truth is, given how the big companies are cracking down on piracy, I think its in everyone's best interest not to do it. Why give them the excuse? Neil Gaimen had an interesting take on the subject though, claiming piracy made his work available to a larger audience, thus increasing sales in the long run.
When it comes to games, well, I can afford to buy them. That alone is enough to keep me from pirating them.
The truth is, given how the big companies are cracking down on piracy, I think its in everyone's best interest not to do it. Why give them the excuse? Neil Gaimen had an interesting take on the subject though, claiming piracy made his work available to a larger audience, thus increasing sales in the long run.
When it comes to games, well, I can afford to buy them. That alone is enough to keep me from pirating them.
Can we at least say there are two kinds of piracy out there .
One is distributing copies for personal gain i.e. sale
Two distribution freely breaking eula and copyright laws by not receiving permission .
Both are wrong and the biggest thing I see as a difference between music and gaming piracy is gaming is intended solely for personal use and was never intended to be freely distributed . Music has an issue of being broadcast over the air freely but for hope you will buy cd . Most games are not distributed in this manner i.e. free play in hope you will buy .
I don't think it would be hard to disrupt piracy if there was an aggressive registration process in place not just dependent on online connection also 1-800 # for those that don't have internet . You have code from game to register once registered you get unlock code for installer that code brands or tags game if that brand or tag is found to be out for pirating you get fined . That is not full proof either because the real pirates have code generators and such. If the game isn't registered it can't be installed . Once installed no cd needed . I know DRM all over but not as weighty code for a code install and done .
Basically the same idea as not being able to drive car unless it is registered.
One is distributing copies for personal gain i.e. sale
Two distribution freely breaking eula and copyright laws by not receiving permission .
Both are wrong and the biggest thing I see as a difference between music and gaming piracy is gaming is intended solely for personal use and was never intended to be freely distributed . Music has an issue of being broadcast over the air freely but for hope you will buy cd . Most games are not distributed in this manner i.e. free play in hope you will buy .
I don't think it would be hard to disrupt piracy if there was an aggressive registration process in place not just dependent on online connection also 1-800 # for those that don't have internet . You have code from game to register once registered you get unlock code for installer that code brands or tags game if that brand or tag is found to be out for pirating you get fined . That is not full proof either because the real pirates have code generators and such. If the game isn't registered it can't be installed . Once installed no cd needed . I know DRM all over but not as weighty code for a code install and done .
Basically the same idea as not being able to drive car unless it is registered.
So this big outcry comes from two reasons:
1. We grew up knowing the Internet to be the place to get almost everything FREE.
2. We all did something illegal sometime, especially if it meant ripping off those big bad companies. - We felt cool and revolutionary. We showed them.
So now we have two problems:
1. The Internet isn't free anymore. We gotta pay with personal data (Facebook style) or money to get access to the once free content. And this already spread to (online) gaming (Steam, Origin).
2. We know pirating games to be wrong but we somehow condone (at least to some extent) it because we did it ourselves and surely: We weren't that bad, were we?
So now with the SOPA and the (big) companies taking action against those things we took for granted (free Internet) and those things we thought to be not a big deal (pirating games, 'cause surely those big companies wouldn't miss our payment), we fear. And it's mostly change we fear. Because we might not like the new ways. Because we might get punished for things we once did that are now not accepted anymore.
No, that would just enforce this DRM bullshit. The best way was and is to make the customers happy. If the like the game, the will gladly pay for it. And CDPR did great in that area.
The only problem is that still many thought it ok, if they didn't pay for others' work. And those are the ones who should be punished, because you can't think: "They won't miss my 50 € or 50 $ or whatever the price." Because if everybody does, they earn no money, and you get no (good) new games in the long term.
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And here I think the "Pay a certain price now, or pay more later." idea great.
We had a similar system in our trains in Germany. If you didn't buy a ticket before you got on the train, you could buy one from the personnel on the train but for a higher price (like 10 Euro or 10 % more, I don't know for sure). But that way you wouldn't get thrown off the train for using it without a ticket.
But in this case it's the devs saying: "We caught you not paying." So they are also entitled to say: "Well, it's double the games price for every month you cheated us."
~edit: added a new thought along the lines of the last one~
1. We grew up knowing the Internet to be the place to get almost everything FREE.
2. We all did something illegal sometime, especially if it meant ripping off those big bad companies. - We felt cool and revolutionary. We showed them.
So now we have two problems:
1. The Internet isn't free anymore. We gotta pay with personal data (Facebook style) or money to get access to the once free content. And this already spread to (online) gaming (Steam, Origin).
2. We know pirating games to be wrong but we somehow condone (at least to some extent) it because we did it ourselves and surely: We weren't that bad, were we?
So now with the SOPA and the (big) companies taking action against those things we took for granted (free Internet) and those things we thought to be not a big deal (pirating games, 'cause surely those big companies wouldn't miss our payment), we fear. And it's mostly change we fear. Because we might not like the new ways. Because we might get punished for things we once did that are now not accepted anymore.
Yeah, but the problem is, that you can fake those IDs. It can be done for cars and it can of course be done with any data stored on a computer. So in the end nothing is gained only the customer would suffer if there went something amiss during his registration.dmcaldw said:
No, that would just enforce this DRM bullshit. The best way was and is to make the customers happy. If the like the game, the will gladly pay for it. And CDPR did great in that area.
The only problem is that still many thought it ok, if they didn't pay for others' work. And those are the ones who should be punished, because you can't think: "They won't miss my 50 € or 50 $ or whatever the price." Because if everybody does, they earn no money, and you get no (good) new games in the long term.
~edit due to the list function not working properly~
And here I think the "Pay a certain price now, or pay more later." idea great.
We had a similar system in our trains in Germany. If you didn't buy a ticket before you got on the train, you could buy one from the personnel on the train but for a higher price (like 10 Euro or 10 % more, I don't know for sure). But that way you wouldn't get thrown off the train for using it without a ticket.
But in this case it's the devs saying: "We caught you not paying." So they are also entitled to say: "Well, it's double the games price for every month you cheated us."
~edit: added a new thought along the lines of the last one~
SOPA will censor the internet, piracy is just an excuse they are using. The thing with US copyright laws is that they should only affect the fucking US. SOPA will affect the entire internet around the world, and there are countries where copyright law is very different from the US.
Yeah, I admit that I have a lot of passion for my beliefs & ideals and yes - I call things what I think they are. Yes, I noticed that it pisses off a lot of people in our golden age of political correctness. You are free to have whatever impression of me you want, no biggie.Mrowakus said:
I still think that your assumptions about the number of pirates buying the game are wrong and creating those numbers just upon observing a few of your fellow pirates is not relevant in any way.Mrowakus said:
However, there was no disrespect in my words while arguing with you, as I didn't say "YOU as a person are manipulative" but I just called your LOGIC "twisted and manipulative" - and that's a difference in terms of public dispute standards(to me at least). But if that somehow leaves a bad taste and you feel offended - I apologize.
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