CDPR vindicated those who doubted their promise

[Mybrokenenglish]

Theoretically, it was supposed to be a simple job. Disable security, get in, take the thing, walk out. Who they were stealing from was irrelevant.

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ONLY if he got caught. Dex wasn't thinking that far ahead.

it's definitely not simple, as I said, try to enter area 51 in the USA or the white house or whatever.

He GETS CAUGHT, 100%.

viktor knows they're working for Dex, they die, viktor tells mama wells, mama wells runs one of the most famous pubs in heywood, attended by valentinos (and Padre). 24h later everybody knows.

Dex betrays evelyn too, but she's a pawn of the vodoo boys, they know.

Takemura gets Dex immediately in the game.

 

[LadyMiseryAli]

But who they were stealing from is incredibly relevant though, otherwise it is a massive oversimplification.

Stealing something from my neighbor Bob and disabling his home security is going to be a lot easier than stealing something from Elon Musk when he is on the top floor of a hotel with hyper-advanced security, robot guards, security and a giant cyborg personal bodyguard monster-thing.

Again - relating this to other CDPR games.

It is like saying the objective is to find Ciri and keep her safe, it is irrelevant of who they are keeping her safe from. Well actually, it is incredibly relevant... because the people who are hunting her down are a band of extremely powerful realm traveling elf-people-things... not just a band of random bandits.

Once again, my interpretation. Could be wrong, but I saw it as Dex hiring two gonks to do a klep job and then him double-crossing them because reasons. Never said it was a good plan. Dex seemed smart in some areas, not-so-smart in others.

 

[Iferrebee]

viktor knows they're working for Dex, they die, viktor tells mama wells, mama wells runs one of the most famous pubs in heywood, attended by valentinos (and Padre). 24h later everybody knows.

Dex betrays evelyn too, but she's a pwan of the vodoo boys, they know.

Takemura gets Dex immediately in the game.

Everyone knows Dex shot V and left him for dead by thise views

HOWEVER
I don't think that much thought was actually put in the story when it was written

 

[lyin321]

Rogue at some point openly admits that V gets only solo gigs because his first and last team gig was an absolute clusterfuck of fail which got all his teammates and then fixer killed. Reputation is everything. No one will work with merc who got his team killed. No one will work for a fixer killing his mercs

Yes. But then the job was supposed to pay enough for them all to retire.

I think it was @pliskards making the point that V and Jackie can't be hired if they are not very good because of the difficulty of the mission? Do you all forget T-bug?

 

[Mybrokenenglish]

Streetkid V/Dex's history

Dex kills V only because he panics and tries to destroy all "evidence" of his involvement in the heist against arasaka

 

[SaulTuk]

Nes. But then the job was supposed to pay enough for them all to retire.

I think it was @pliskards making the point that V and Jackie can't be hired if they are not very good because of the difficulty of the mission? Do you all forget T-bug?

No, but why did she vouched for them, if she, among all people, new they were rookies?
I think that long playable Act 1 where V and Jackie gains reputation and meet othet NPC would satisfy many players and be 100% logical

 

[Iferrebee]

I think you guys are reading way to much into poor writting

 

[LeKill3rFou]

No sense in taking absolute nonames either, because they would certainly be amateurs and fail most spectacularly. I doubt Dex intended to fail)

Nope, Dex is really confident that his plan is the best ever and even two dumbass can't fail.
"Well V, I think it's the begin of a beautiful friendship based on lot of eddies..."
"Everything that you can possibly ask, believe me, T-Bug already solved it"
"The No-Tell Motel, but I'm sure it won't be necessary..."
"It would be a true wandering..."

"Easy, about 2 minutes to resume Geralt's story, he meets up with some characters, all with the help of his two old love interests, Triss and Yen. No need to play it to "show" these few events."

Nope, it would as resume the WhiteOrchad as a cinematic which don't really change the story. Some players already find WhiteOrchad pretty boring and useless (CDPR want a shorter story, so...)

its not about getting the best before the heist lol - its about having some fun with jacky exploring the city and first steps in merc business. jesus its like you just dont want to see - what others would see in playing this part...

Shorter story... I know why others would want play it. But story wize, it's not "useful".

who said dex wanted to kill the mercs? Why ruin his own reputation as a fixer? There's no hint of this in the whole game. He simply panics, kills V and throw their body in the dump without taking the chip.

Dex want two gonks... Why ? Who know and he die, we would never know if he planing to betray V. But it seem really probable
But why hire two "stupid and unknow" mercs when there are plenty of well know and skilled mercs in the AfterLife ?
Maybe because these mercs are not stupid and won't accept to steal Arasaka, just for money...

 

[SaulTuk]

I think you guys are reading way to much into poor writting

Even we could do better than this

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Nope, Dex is really confident that his plan is the best ever and even two dumbass can't fail.
"Well V, I think it's the begin of a beautiful friendship based on lot of eddies..."
"Everything that you can possibly ask, T-Bug already solve it"
"The No-Tell Motel, but I'm sure it won't be necessary..."


Nope, it would as resume the WhiteOrchad as a cinematic which don't really change the story. Some players already find WhiteOrchad pretty boring and useless (CDPR want a shorter story, so...)

Shorter story... I know why others would want play it. But story wize, it's not "useful".

Dex want two gonks... Why ? Who know and he die, we would never know if he planing to betray V. But it seem really probable
But why hire two "stupid and unknow" mercs when there are plenty of well know and skilled mercs in the AfterLife ?

then Dex was bad planner. No contingencies whatsoever. Belief that his plan is foolproof is sign of stupid and incompetent tactician. Which raises the question — if so, why does Dex have such a good reputation as fixer, if plot-wise he acts as stupud rookie fixer?)

 

[LeKill3rFou]

then Dex was bad planner. No contingencies whatsoever. Belief that his plan is foolproof is sign of stupid and incompetent tactician. Which raises the question — if so, why does Dex have such a good reputation as fixer, if plot-wise he acts as stupud rookie fixer?)

He don't really have a good rep (in Jackie and V's head, yeah he have)
Claire and Viktor seem to not have a really good opinion about him.
He already betray some VDBs and had to leave Night City for two years like a coward...

Even Royce when V said that it's Dex who send him (thinking it's a good point^^)
"Dex Deshawn... The lard ass who fucked all of Pacifica with an iron bar ! ahahaha...."
Even if you range to Royce side, at the end :
"When you take Dex's cock out of your mouth, you'll give him a kiss from me ! hahaha...."

Not sure he would said the same if it was Rogue who send V and Jackie

 

[lyin321]

I think that long playable Act 1 where V and Jackie gains reputation and meet othet NPC would satisfy many players and be 100% logical

I agree that the prologue and little reorganizing is one way to fix the pacing of the game, but I also don't think that not having it is the worst thing ever

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He don't really have a good rep (in Jackie and V's head, yeah he have)

Jackie...not sure about streetkid V Other Vs just don't know enough.

 

[AlienSpaceBats]

who said dex wanted to kill the mercs? Why ruin his own reputation as a fixer? There's no hint of this in the whole game. He simply panics, kills V and throw their body in the dump without taking the chip.

There's two things at play here; first is the Heist as a narrative device vs. logic, real and in-game. From a narrative POV, V is able to state how they feel about fixers. One line in particular uses forshadowing heavily. Then there are lines from Jackie, Vik, Evelyn and Claire that allude to something Dex either not being what he appears, or his competence as a Fixer is suspect. Dex employing a pair of gonks with next to no street cred for such a huge job should have alarm bells ringing; we go from smashing Scavs to klepping prototype tech from Arasaka itself, so if the plan did go bad, at worst Dex has a pair of bodies that no-one will miss.

Then we have other factors like Evelyn going behind the VDBs back, Yorinobu and Netwatch.

As far as actual logic goes, I don't believe for a second that there wasn't a VIP aware of the heist plan, though likely no-one could predict what Yorinobu was going to do.

 

[SaulTuk]

There's two things at play here; first is the Heist as a narrative device vs. logic, real and in-game. From a narrative POV, V is able to state how they feel about fixers. One line in particular uses forshadowing heavily. Then there are lines from Jackie, Vik, Evelyn and Claire that allude to something Dex either not being what he appears, or his competence as a Fixer is suspect. Dex employing a pair of gonks with next to no street cred for such a huge job should have alarm bells ringing; we go from smashing Scavs to klepping prototype tech from Arasaka itself, so if the plan did go bad, at worst Dex has a pair of bodies that no-one will miss.

Then we have other factors like Evelyn going behind the VDBs back, Yorinobu and Netwatch.

As far as actual logic goes, I don't believe for a second that there wasn't a VIP aware of the heist plan, though likely no-one could predict what Yorinobu was going to do.

Still Dex appears to be shitty fixer. Good one would know he need at least decent mercs to actually succeed, because failure is clearly not an option. Dex at best is desperate gambler going all in.

 

[pliskards]

I agree that the prologue and little reorganizing is one way to fix the pacing of the game, but I also don't think that not having it is the worst thing ever

Yeah - and that is what I am saying. I already really enjoyed Cyberpunk as a game. It's in the top 15-25 games I have ever played. There are story flaws in just about every game. I'd rate it as an 8.5/10 and something I am going to play again. I'm excited to see the changes in the recent patches once the expansion comes out and stuff. It could climb higher in my personal rankings and grade after revisiting it with fixes/more content.

I just think it could be better with improved pacing and the world being opened up in Act 1, with the heist being shoved back later into the story.

Like I mentioned earlier... Cyberpunk reminds me of The Witcher 3 if the game started at the Isle of Mists with a montage of events before it. Would it have still been absolutely amazing? Yes. Would it have been nearly as good of a game? Certainly not, in my opinion.

 

[GwentyBucks]

I'm disappointed with CDPR. I was let down by their bug infested release and I am now equally disappointed by their dismissive approach to Cyberpunk 2077. This is not the game you promised. I held judgement to see if you would correct the wrongs but it's clear now that you favor abandoning that which you did not properly deliver. Hello Games took No Man's Sky and after 6 years are still delivering brand new content. You promised to support this IP, yet now you offer one expansion? Really? I guess time will tell, we'll see what the next patch offers. But you seem to be abandoning Cyberpunk when you promised to double down. Again, maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

Thoughts?

I just picked it up again after a lot of time in Elden Ring. The next gen version feels really polished and good. While I certainly agree that there’s a dearth of content on the horizon, I disagree that they haven’t righted their wrongs.

 

[Mybrokenenglish]

There's two things at play here; first is the Heist as a narrative device vs. logic, real and in-game. From a narrative POV, V is able to state how they feel about fixers. One line in particular uses forshadowing heavily. Then there are lines from Jackie, Vik, Evelyn and Claire that allude to something Dex either not being what he appears, or his competence as a Fixer is suspect. Dex employing a pair of gonks with next to no street cred for such a huge job should have alarm bells ringing; we go from smashing Scavs to klepping prototype tech from Arasaka itself, so if the plan did go bad, at worst Dex has a pair of bodies that no-one will miss.

Then we have other factors like Evelyn going behind the VDBs back, Yorinobu and Netwatch.

As far as actual logic goes, I don't believe for a second that there wasn't a VIP aware of the heist plan, though likely no-one could predict what Yorinobu was going to do.

I don't see how this contradicts what I wrote.

 

[northwold]

Even we could do better than this

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then Dex was bad planner. No contingencies whatsoever. Belief that his plan is foolproof is sign of stupid and incompetent tactician. Which raises the question — if so, why does Dex have such a good reputation as fixer, if plot-wise he acts as stupud rookie fixer?)

The only person who says Dex has a good rep is Jackie, and Jackie is a dimwit. Indeed, if Jackie were correct it would be more than a little mysterious for Dex to have been out of action prior to the heist (and we are told he has been out of action). The whole point of the prologue / act 1 is that you're in amateurville, with Jackie obsessed with getting into the big leagues and having not a clue what he's doing. And that has... Consequences.

 

[MerricB]

Part of this is also a misunderstanding about what the story of Cyberpunk 2077 is - and it's one that a lot of people get wrong.

The story isn't "The life of V as a mercenary in Night City".

The story is "What does V do after a job goes wrong and they have only a short time to live?"

In that is tied up a lot of questions about "what is identity?" and "what matters in life?" and suchlike.

V-as-a-mercenary is the backdrop to all of this, and it also allows V to try to live their "normal" life while denying what's going on. (Or while waiting for people to get back to them). Along the way, they can end up forming the relationships which really define the game. (Or not, for a particular playstyle).

Cheers,
Merric

 

[batouyukinawa]

CDPR is moving the goal post. They started with the online component. That was dropped. They assured us they have no intention of dropping the IP. Just doesn't seem that way. Hopefully they drop a new patch with some DLC. That might turn the tides slightly. I don't want to condemn CDPR just yet, but I am definitely warry.

 

[Netrunner2go]

The story is "What does V do after a job goes wrong and they have only a short time to live?"

hmm... concept just doesn't work tho - my V is chilling her life skipping days over days to receive side gig calls, specific vendor loot, making millions eddies with ashura sells or maxing out every single attribute messing with dudes at Pacificas Beach or Valentinos hanging around in Central Park. my V feels like she has all the time in the world.