In many ways TW1 was made popular by its mature theme and contents. The REDs know it, and wouldn't change anything there. It's just not good business.
Actually it is good business unfortunately, while it won't affect GOG sales since they are outside the US, if there is enough pressure applied to the company , or the publisher for that matter,by the Fox News types then it could seriously hurt the games chances of getting through to retail, or more importantly for the PC version, Steam without getting cut in some way.I do understand what you are saying though and I really really hope that they keep it uncensored, but if not then I am willing to bet that someone with far greater talent then myself will mod the cut content back in.Vilgefortze said:
I Don't think the game sould be Censored at all its mature game its not for kids this is a Adult RPG it Says so in many articles if parants want to buy there little bratz games let them play pokemon but we as a whole should not suffer cos fox news pops off at the mouth like the did for Mass effect claiming it was hard core porn the woman that said that did not even play the game she made stuff up
In the end this is not up to the developers. The developers from CD Project have clearly stated they will have a mature game that are meanted to be played by adaults... (just like The Witcher) The problem lays within how the distributors/publishers will react and what action they will preform in order to censor the game. In the end even if something gets censored CD Project will most likely release a patch after a while that will deal with that matter too.I can't understand why sex and anything related to children/animals (like violence and sexual actions) are so taboo in video games. These are things that clearly happens in the real world, so why shouldn't video games also get the oppertunity to do so? It's a matter of whenever video games have the freedom to make something exactly like they want and are still nothing more than a mere video game. If people find it offensive, then by all means don't buy the game, but if a game wants to have "offensive" material it's their right to do so and hopefully for them people will still buy the game. (If you want to turn the table around, it probably exist people who find Sims offensive cause somebody in their family also have drowned in a swiming pool or being burned to death by a fire. So by that logic almost everything in games should be censored and/or banned.)For example, the fact that they started to whine about Medal of Honor cause you could in the multiplayer play as the "terrorist" and by that, forced them to censor it by changing the name, shows how tragic the gaming market is to become. It's not like USA (and Israel for that matter) is all about being the "good guys" anyway. (Don't take that the wrong way, I just think it's wrong to kill civilans no matter if you're from the middle east, europe or america)valenca said:
I will agree with you all but with the last statement as a American and 6 Year Army Veteren we take any thing to do with terrorist vary serious and the good guy Statement that is Open to interpretation every time there is a major conflict we are ask for our help so do i think were good guys its in all how you look at it my DearJuuuhan said:
I hate this censorship crap. I obtained an euro version through a friend for TW1 just to avoid censorship.I mean, if it says on the label "not for kids", it's not for kids. Simple. If a kid still buys it, it's his problem, isn't it? I hate fascist moral policing by a bunch of self-righteous vengeful greying virgins.
Whenever you take terrorist seriously or not, you should still separate reality from a game. If people are playing as terrorists in game that's their choice. (just as there is their choice whenever they want to kill regular people in other games) Criminals aren't born based on violent video games. They are born by bad childhood and some other major thing that screws them up durin their life. Fix the mental care instead of trying to spend time and energy to squeese the gamedevelopers.Osena said:
Fair enough.Osena said:
Let not turn this into a political debate plz as hard as it is we do try to keep world politic out of the forum
Old, but its not like it has double meaning or anything -slimgrin said:
He basically says that we, as players, are just as retarded and immature as that critic, so scenes with even a brief allusion to sexual humilation are too complex and difficult for us to comprehend, 'cause if we see boobies we'd certainly be aroused and think about sex, not feel for the characters involved.Kind of insulting, no? Or maybe devs are aiming for the console general market this time.
I would be insulting if it wasn't true for some people. Unfortunately for people in the West nudity is seriously taboo and the only time it is really shown on TV, movies, or even videogames for that matter, is usually when it is paired with sex, especially when the nude is female, at least that is my experience with the issue. Should they have to change this up because some people will get off on it? No they shouldn't if only because that will be a war they won't win since they can't anticipate every fetish their players may have. Also, anyone who reads something sexual into a torture scene probably went into it with that in mind.Irx said:
I watched many US tv shows with plenty of nudity and sex, like True Blood and Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Maybe it is a taboo when easily accessible to minors or obtrusive, which is understandable, but its not like the media aimed at mature audiences avoids it, nor it is limited to porn. And Witcher *is* aimed at mature gamers, is it not? Also, a good game should be somewhat offensive imho, it should test our emotions and set up all kinds of questionable and psychologically heavy themes, otherwise its going to be just another boring generic fantasy.valenca said:
The point of a mature game is not to be offensive, but to freely include subjects that are considered controversial, and expect the audience to look at it from a mature , possibly neutral point of view.There is a difference between controversial and offensive. If someone is broadminded and can look at controversial content from a neutral point of view, it doesn't mean he is never offended. Example: Depiction of nudity is controversial. Using nudity for objectification is offensive.Inciting hatred against a race/faith is offensive. Depicting people who openly voice such opinion is controversial.Controversies are debatable issues. Offensive content, by definition, leave no ground for compromise.Yes, nudity can (should) be there in mature games. But not because the game needs to be "offensive" to be good.
True enough, the problem is that games are, for some reason, held to a different standard then TV shows are, after all just look at all the nonsense surrounding the first Witcher game and even Mass Effect, 2 games rated M and aimed at older gamers. The funny thing about this is that games are easier to setup parental controls for these days based on ratings then TV shows seem to be, the problem is is that no one uses them they just attack the game developers/publisher and the retailer for selling mature games in a medium that they still consider a distraction for their children.Irx said:
These things are completely subjective, the line you draw between offensive and controversial depends fully on your own cultural and personal stereotypes, values, morals and complexes - and these are absolutely not universal. Which means you can't include any controversial content and expect no one would find it offensive. The only way to avoid offending anyone is not including any such content at all and making your game as shallow and primitive as possible (many do just that), and there is still no gaurantee since some people will find offensive the stupidest things.Anyway, we do all realize that commercial games are no art, you can't afford your ideas and ideals to take precedence over profit, since you put millions into creating them and expect to get at least that much money back. What we are talking about is wether trying to appease the broadest audience possible (by censoring it, among other things) is actually a good thing, since you obviously can't please everybody and making too many compromises over what caused the success of the original concept can alienate your core customer base in both the short and the long run.Vilgefortze said:
@IrxA controversial depiction is the depiction of offensive material from a subjective point of view, without the intent to actually propagate such view.The difference is quite clear.
Not really, still subjective, since you can't judge whatever the intent was - best and the most efficient adv tactics are usually subtle. Also, the lack of intent does not free you from responsibilities for breaking the laws, for example - and for a good reason.Vilgefortze said:
I strongly disagree with censoring the torture scene. As this is a dark, medieval story it is understandable that a torturer would not care to preserve a woman's dignity. Having her topless is simply more realistic. If the Devs cave into the influence of some no name critics then they have surely lost intregrity.
Quick question before I pre-order the game.With the original game, the nudity was censored in the North America version so I had to buy it from a UK distributor to get the full gaming experience.For the Witcher 2, is there any official information pertaining to changes in the versions depending on region?Thanks in advance.
http://tw2.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=26215.30Or http://tw2.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=30728.30And to answer your question here... We don't know yet. Developers will probably not release a censored verision. It's up to the distributors in america, how they will react. But I agree, it's probably a safer thing to order it from the UK.... Just in case.No, not yet. We don't even know which distributors are gonna be in Asia. (except Play-asia)I believe though, the changes won't be that dramatic. Hopefully americans can for once, tolerate nudity.(how come no one ever talks about decapitation and the harsh language as maybe censored contents here?)zdkusanagi said: