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dragonsblood

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#361
Nov 28, 2007
I suppose it's possible, but unlikely. You're still keeping the same files here; nothing new is added or deleted, only replaced. They wouldn't have a reason to alter the files that handle sex cards and the nude monster/dryad. Any patch would replace completely different stuff. The most likely scenario if anything happened at all is that the game would revert back to the censored version.
 
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sillymaster

Senior user
#362
Dec 3, 2007
Sweet i have the Uncensorized Version Now i can wack it all day!!!!! YEAH!!!! :eek:
 
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username_2069052

Senior user
#363
Dec 3, 2007
It does seem ridiculous to me that we'd be given a censored version, and little more than a sign of how pathetically backwater America is in this sense. Sex happens and women have breasts. This isn't the Victorian period anymore, we should be able to accept that.
 
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kalbek

Senior user
#364
Dec 3, 2007
Well , I just got the game yesterday and Im curious as to why it doesnt say Censored on the box or any on the packaging? Music CD's for instance will say Censored on it. My game copy just says "M" for Mature. :-\
 
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alalzia

Senior user
#365
Dec 3, 2007
I think the entire "tities" thing is a matter of fundamentals , some nude or not nude cards are not that a big deal ; of course since the game says +17(at least in Greece where i am ) in the box censorship is rather stupid but again it doesn't remove the atmosphere . In the first place i think that the hero has some sexual issues since no time passes while he is with a woman , cards are there to cover his embarrassment. On the other hand the absence of blood and gore is bad since it removes the "feeling" of the game , Ascaron's "Sacred" had same issues with "bodies explode" and the "spray blood" animations "Oblivion" had developers self censoring their product with victims losing 2 drops of blood while chopped down with an axe and so on. I will not judge usa , different societies = different understanding of what is bad and what is not i will just say that i am happy to be European gamer ;D
 
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dragonsblood

Senior user
#366
Dec 3, 2007
I will not judge usa , different societies = different understanding of what is bad and what is not i will just say that i am happy to be European gamer
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You should judge the USA. Our censorship laws suck. Our "society" definitely does not have a uniform consensus on this (or anything really). It's the few in power who decide to censor video games and other media.I put society in quotations because we're not one society. The USA is too spread out and diverse for that to be possible. Individual states are a better representation; California where I live is very different from say, Alabama or New Jersey. Unsurprisingly this makes our blanket censorship laws even more ridiculous.
 
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alalzia

Senior user
#367
Dec 3, 2007
Dragonsblood said:
[You should judge the USA. Our censorship laws suck. Our "society" definitely does not have a uniform consensus on this (or anything really). It's the few in power who decide to censor video games and other media.I put society in quotations because we're not one society. The USA is too spread out and diverse for that to be possible. Individual states are a better representation; California where I live is very different from say, Alabama or New Jersey. Unsurprisingly this makes our blanket censorship laws even more ridiculous.
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This will get us into a political debate and this is only a gaming forum :DLets just say that nations have the leaders they deserve and those leaders were not risen inside jars but they are products of their society . California has like 50 sits in the senate , what your senators are doing about censorship ?
 
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dekasa

Senior user
#368
Dec 4, 2007
Actually, California has 2 senators in the Senate. It has 56 (about) in the House of Reps. But you're not from the US, so it's ok. Dual-house system, I'm sure someone in the EU has one. But I'm pretty sure the senators are doing nothing to uncensor things. People here are pretty messed up, especially with censorship. Like, when that school shooting happened and Marilyn Manson was blamed, bunch of crap that was. The politics of the US and EU are different, the climates are different. We're sitting here now trying to protect our culture, and because we have no true basis for culture (Since we're formed of peoples of all nations) it's very difficult. From what I'm aware of, we (in the US) are much more divided than Europeans. I mean.... our illustrious President has a higher approval rating in South America than he does here, and when he was first elected, he got less votes than the guy who came in second. I should also add, the The Witcher probably wasn't censored due to censorship laws, it's because if it were to get an Adult Only rating, MANY major retailers won't carry or advertise (via poster) the game, and it'd be a severe profit cut. It wasn't legal, it was business. You can probably blame the ESRB, the people that rate games here. It got a Mature rating, 18+ here, and from what I've seen, most of Europe gave it a 16 or 17+ rating. Just wanted to clear that up. Oh, also. With leaders being "products of their society". Our leaders come from the rich class of people (for many *bad* reasons), which have an entirely seperate culture.Socialism FTW!
 
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thelostdunmer.651

Senior user
#369
Dec 4, 2007
Its actually absurd why the US is censored when there are plenty of nipples in the wild, and to think that this is just a game. What will come next? Bleep sounds for games? I know a game that implemented this, Hellcrash: Bugdon (Hellgate: London) a silly full of bugs game, not worth playing at all.
 
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crimsonfilms

Senior user
#370
Dec 4, 2007
Kalbek said:
Well , I just got the game yesterday and Im curious as to why it doesnt say Censored on the box or any on the packaging? Music CD's for instance will say Censored on it. My game copy just says "M" for Mature. :-\
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BECAUSE IT IS NOT CENSORED!!! Sorry for screaming but this is like the millionth time. Please read up on the definition of what it means to be legally censored. There is a legal basis to put that word on a game, painting, CD cover, movie, etc.And people stop debating the social ramifications of the game. It is silly and disingenuous. You guys are ready to burn the US Constitution for a bunch of nipples and yet trying to make it as if it some major political issue. Start something basic like Net Neutrality. You want something that will affect digital content? Look that up and write to your local representatives. Nipples on some dumb vampire that does not affect the gameplay or plot is not going to change your life, unless we are talking about masturbation :-\
 
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dekasa

Senior user
#371
Dec 4, 2007
Very few actually care about what was removed. They care WHY it was removed, and the simple fact that it WAS removed. It has NOTHING to do with WHAT was removed. It is the reason, as always, that is important. People feel as though they have gotten the shaft. If it had been "censored" everywhere (ie, no cards or nudity at all) no one would care. It's like if you asked someone to go to the store and buy you something, and they went and got it, but before they got back, they changed a symbol on it, not anything important, just different. You'd feel like you paid for something, but didn't quite get it. Not exactly how it was meant to be, or you expected it to be. There may be no tangible issue, but you still feel shafted.I agree, it's not really a political issue, but the extenuation of this sort of thing could RESULT in a legal/political issue. We're not talking about burning the Constitution, and we're definitely not doing it FOR nipples. If you can't understand the social ramifications, don't participate.
 
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dragonsblood

Senior user
#372
Dec 4, 2007
Dekasa said:
I should also add, the The Witcher probably wasn't censored due to censorship laws, it's because if it were to get an Adult Only rating, MANY major retailers won't carry or advertise (via poster) the game, and it'd be a severe profit cut. It wasn't legal, it was business. You can probably blame the ESRB, the people that rate games here. It got a Mature rating, 18+ here, and from what I've seen, most of Europe gave it a 16 or 17+ rating.
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The ESRB is a product of the US congress. If congress didn't want ESRB to exist and rate every video game, it wouldn't. ESRB's standards for rating games 18+ are out of wack. Rated R movies have nudity and retailers have no problem selling them. If the ESRB, a government created organization, rated video games with the same standards as movies, retailers would sell The Witcher uncensored. Maybe calling them "laws" is a bit of a misnomer, but it's still a problem with our government.
crimsonfilms said:
You guys are ready to burn the US Constitution for a bunch of nipples and yet trying to make it as if it some major political issue.
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I'd rather nail the Constitution to every politician's forehead. The Constitution is mostly solid. It's our shitty leaders that are fucking up this country.
 
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wisielec

Forum veteran
#373
Dec 4, 2007
Boy, you all are deep into the abbys of "what liberty actually means?". In Poland the game is rated 18+, with original content. I wonder, what is the argument all about? Is it bout censorship in general or is it bout sellin game to the wider public? Does one affect the other? I think it's because the market law: lower rating - bigger sales, right? If rating is affecting sales I ask why, in country taht is so potent in games making,is this a problem? I thought that in general opinion generalization "games are for kids" is forgotten these days...especially in USA as I said. So why M rating should be a problem for the retailers? Statistics say that the average player is about 30 years old...That is why I am confused. How do you obtain mature "content"? Ffrom uder the shelf? Well, I'm really interested where this topic is going...PSConserning nipples - there is much more to the mature content than all the "porn" in the game :) I wonder if gamers thake it seriously...eg -kids shouting let's play "kill hte elf!". What would you say if children in your neighbourhood were playing "kill the nigger/whitey/jap/redskin!" or something like that. That is why this game is for MATURE audiences...nipple or no nipple. But from my observation many fail to see that.
 
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alalzia

Senior user
#374
Dec 4, 2007
Dekasa said:
Actually, California has 2 senators in the Senate. It has 56 (about) in the House of Reps. But you're not from the US, so it's ok. Dual-house system, I'm sure someone in the EU has one. But I'm pretty sure the senators are doing nothing to uncensor things. People here are pretty messed up, especially with censorship. Like, when that school shooting happened and Marilyn Manson was blamed, bunch of crap that was. The politics of the US and EU are different, the climates are different. We're sitting here now trying to protect our culture, and because we have no true basis for culture (Since we're formed of peoples of all nations) it's very difficult. From what I'm aware of, we (in the US) are much more divided than Europeans. I mean.... our illustrious President has a higher approval rating in South America than he does here, and when he was first elected, he got less votes than the guy who came in second. I should also add, the The Witcher probably wasn't censored due to censorship laws, it's because if it were to get an Adult Only rating, MANY major retailers won't carry or advertise (via poster) the game, and it'd be a severe profit cut. It wasn't legal, it was business. You can probably blame the ESRB, the people that rate games here. It got a Mature rating, 18+ here, and from what I've seen, most of Europe gave it a 16 or 17+ rating. Just wanted to clear that up. Oh, also. With leaders being "products of their society". Our leaders come from the rich class of people (for many *bad* reasons), which have an entirely seperate culture.Socialism FTW!
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As i said different cultures different censorship, in here the public channel feels free to play "sweet movie" at 23:00 but they distort images of blood in the news . I don't know if you have ever googled for "adult games" , if you do it will turn out that your understanding of adult is porn , this may explain why retailers will not advertise i think.I am in part 2 of the game and so far i have not encounter anything that a 15 year old can not handle , the language is not atrocious , violence is like any other game and about sexual themes most kids have sex at their 15 anyway, so nothing scandalous there , it does make me wonder why the +17 rating.On politics i think that America & Europe , what we call "western world" are evolving together and the only thing that changes is who is leading and who follows , first it was Europe then it was America now it is Europe's duty to lead again , i would love to expand on that but this is not the placeeh and Socialism FTW!
 
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openmic

Senior user
#375
Dec 8, 2007
Hi All,Very keen to get my hands on a Collectors Edition of The Witcher but am afraid I may purchase a censored version. Can someone please recommend some places online where I can get an uncensored copy? Cheers!
 
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mobidoy

Forum veteran
#376
Dec 8, 2007
Atari uk site !
 
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username_2059747

Forum veteran
#377
Dec 8, 2007
..it is unofficial;) but the difference between consored and uncensored version is very small and v simple to change. I wonder if somebody didn't published already how to change it? If not surely sooner or later it will appear. Rather sooner, I bet;)
 
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mobidoy

Forum veteran
#378
Dec 8, 2007
nope, not yet... other then downloading the files from europeans players :)
 
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rexford

Senior user
#379
Dec 8, 2007
THIS GAME IS CENCORED!!!! :eek:I didn't know that...unless it was that Vista Child Control thing, right?I'm running XP so it doesn't recognize that, does it?
 
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mobidoy

Forum veteran
#380
Dec 8, 2007
No it is graphicaly censord :) Just like adult movies on tv, they blur sensitive parts :)
 
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