Well, I found offensive that everyone was calling male V. boring, generic, dudebro, etc. And that male porn stars were compared to "mobile dildos who can walk". But, I guess all that misandristic talk doesn't bother anyone else.:cautious:
@ Night_City_Native
This is a dude who's a professional mma fighter and calls himself "The Spartan"
before the fight
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and during the fight
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Real Spartans braided their hair like that, which is evident in every ancient artwork. They would never go into fight like in the first picture and be compromised. As for short hair they had it until they reached maturity and have finished training (around 21 yr old). I'm done with this subject and porn!
That guy's hair is still long in the second picture, braided or not. It comes down to his shoulders.
You also don't have a source, but I'm supposed to accept <random internet guy's> opinion that the ancient Greek historians Plutarch and Herodotus, or the ancient artists who depicted Spartans with long hair, were making things up.
No thanks. I'll stick with the much more likely explanation that you're wrong but preferred to double down on an unsupported opinion, before bowing out, rather than concede you may have been mistaken.
Getting back to Cyberpunk...I'm really not seeing long hair as issue. If it was good enough for the Spartans it's good enough for V. Besides, presumably in the character creator you'll have a range of haircuts from buzzcuts to long.
The topic of this thread IS NOT porn stars or how someone may make references to them. So please let it go, all of you.
Also, there's absolutely no need for ridiculing or accusations of trolling, especially when such posts add nothing to the actual discussion.
A few posts deleted; do try to stay on topic.
Also, there's absolutely no need for ridiculing or accusations of trolling, especially when such posts add nothing to the actual discussion.
A few posts deleted; do try to stay on topic.
The one place I'd really like to see my character is in melee. We'll have to see how that goes, but 1st person melee has - so far - not been very good in a lot of games. Maybe CDPR will pull that one off. I'm certainly hoping so, but not really a deal breaker for me.
Other than that, inventory screens, cut scenes, mini games like pool, ect. There are plenty of opportunities.
- Shane
Other than that, inventory screens, cut scenes, mini games like pool, ect. There are plenty of opportunities.
- Shane
Inventory, character sheet, mirrors, reflections, ad holograms, photos, surveillance/other camera footage...
In-world objects and effects are enough. I’d give up all cutscenes (each and every one of them), go for fully in-character experience.
In-world objects and effects are enough. I’d give up all cutscenes (each and every one of them), go for fully in-character experience.
CDPR has stated that there will be many times when you get to see your character in game through cutscens, maybe via mirrors and things like that. I was wondering if you all had any interesting suggestions for any other ways of seeing your character in game? Maybe a way for you to take selfies, smoking a cigarette that pops you in to third person view (kind of a panning thing that happens in many games when you stand still for to long), or anything like that.
So in which way would you like to be able to see your character in game?
In cutscenes,and driving and inventory management is more then enough for me. I am not a narcissistic person,nor did I grow up on snapchat,taking endless selfies. just my opinion.
Walking around the streets, doesn't need to interact with anything or have any associated gameplay, just let us walk around and get lost in the crowd in 3rd person.
What is the point on putting someone on the cover of a game just because if the looks alone? Even though this is not just about the cover of the game but the face of the game, so someone representative. While I think the woman is just like Male Shepard, so someone who is a model but still looking generic as fuck, that's not the point why I think she shouldn't be the face of the game.
The most important factor is representation and she doesn't do that at all. Night City does this damn good, the Car does this, Jackie and Lizzy Wizzy does this and of course the Main Character but this gal from the teaser barely has any ability. She's just some half naked psycho. Maybe she happens to be in the game but as of now that teaser was just flavor years ago, not representative of the game. We don't play a psycho, we won't play a Psycho Squad member, the topic of the game aren't psychos. The girl has a very isolated representation and simply doesn't fit. Of course you can wish, I mean that's your opinion and I can't and don't want to take that away but I prefer something that fits, not just something that's attractive.
I'll try to explain it to you one last time. There's nothing wrong with having a long hair in battle, but ONLY after you secure it so it doesn't obstruct your vision. Having long and loose hair in battle is extremely dangerous and can cost you your life. Older Spartans did exactly that, they braided their hair and kept it under their helmets- every ancient art that depict them showed exactly that. It's the same in real life with guys and gals serving in military or professional fighters both male and female. And there are some historical claims that after the battle of Thermopylae, Spartans wore their hair short (look it up). Cheers..
The only sources I found involving Spartan males with short hair spoke specifically of slaves and children. This is both before and after the Battle of Thermopylae.
And, secondly, despite the number of people kicked down wells this isn't Sparta and V won't be in a military. The long hair is simply because of it being part of modern hair styles, with combat likely a secondary or even tertiary consideration. After all, combat really only comes about in cyberpunk when something went horribly wrong.
V isn't iconic yet, the car isn't iconic and neither is the chromedome lady (not to non-cp2020 players). That woman from the trailer is iconic because she was the face of CP2077 for almost 6 years. You wouldn't see an article or video about CP2077 in those years without her. If CDPR doesn't include her in the game, they're just doing a disservice to themselves. As for female V, you and OP wanted her to be put on the cover because she looks prettier than male V. So you tell me why someone would do that? You see a 1 second shot of her at best and from that, you somehow surmised that she's less generic. Unfortunately, she's very generic just like male V. They're both going to need refining by CDPR before they are made the face of CP2077. Just like Geralt's TW2 face was remodeled and refined for TW3.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Coma.html
"At a later time the Spartans abandoned this ancient custom, and wore their hair short, and hence some writers erroneously attribute this practice to an earlier period (Paus. VII.14 §2; Philostr. Vit. Apoll. III.15 p106, ed. Olear.; Plut. Alc. 23)."
And before that, Spartans had short hair util they reach adulthood and finish mandatory training- that was around 21 yr old. As for Plutarch and Herodotus, they are to be taken with a grain of salt, because they've made plenty of outrageous claims and descriptions.
http://spartareconsidered.blogspot.com/2011/09/physical-appearance-of-spartans.html
"In addition to these sources, the admittedly dubious Plutarch claims Spartan men took particular care of their hair especially in the face of danger and refers to an alleged quote from Lycurgus that long hair was preferred because it rendered a handsome man better looking, and an ugly one more frightening.
Whether the locks depicted in ancient sculpture were in fact braided or plaited is not possible to tell from the stylized nature of the evidence. However, it is physically impossible to keep long hair in neat, orderly strands when engaged in sports and other strenuous activities unless it is carefully confined in some way. Thus, practical modern experience suggests that Spartan men did braid their hair, something that is consistent with – though not definitely proved -- by the archeological evidence."
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The first link is contradicted by their own sources, and really needs to learn the difference between "trimmed" and "short." The second source outright says they had long hair.
I don't mind other things as "face" of the game, I think that the people who compare the jacket with the power armor of the Fallout series have a good point too. If it's about the main character though, we have two of them and in a decision which one to put forward I favor the female V because of a more unique look. It's not just "hey look at this model, she looks sexy", there are other factors involved, one of the most important being the main character of the game. I don't see how SheV is generic, there is a lack of argument with that claim, while the generic look of the HeV was proven by the general look of male gaming protagonists. The DudeV cosplay though is a different case but apart from "hey Vgirl has the hair style of some porn star" we don't have any substantial proof for the genericness of FemV.
She replied to this comment in the comment section:
"So, Helena, I'm working on something where the setting is 391 bc. I can't determine if the Spartans' custom of wearing long hair had changed at that point. Aristophanes, in Lysistrata, 1st performed in 411 seems to indicate that they were still wearing it long. "
"As far as I know (and I admit I've done more research on archaic Sparta rather than classical Sparta), the Spartans did indeed still wear their hair long in the early 4th century BC.
Helena P. Schrader"
That points to the conclusion that they indeed changed their custom regarding hair at some point in time, like those other historians claim in the first link I provided. And I'm not saying that older Spartans didn't have long hair, I'm saying (like Helena Schrader) that they braided their hair to keep it secure and prevent it from obstructing them during battle. It's just a common sense, and I'm tired of repeating myself here..
And I know that this somehow taints the view of some fantasy fanatics who thinks that it's perfectly fine to have long and loose hair on the battlefied, because that's how their favorite characters were described in books; just like some katana fanboy thinks that their favorite sword can cut through tank because they saw that in some anime. But, in real life that's just not practical and could be life threatening.
Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I really don't care who gets to be "the face of the game", because to me both of them don't stand out in any way. I'm not a porn addict (lol), and I'm not a misogynist (lol).. Cheers!