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EcoSeis

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#341
Jun 16, 2014
Scheuk said:
I donno, given the fact that CDPR are pushing for photorealism when it comes to character models, white hair on Geralt would just look plain goofy. I'm sure CDPR know better than us what Geralt is supposed to look like.

I don't know how I feel about describing someone as a "regular pretty waitress girl", I mean, really? Anyway, as for looks, I like how her face is so much in contrast to her actual personality, which I think was rather smart of the artists. It would comes as a real surprise to new players when she doesn't end up being the gentle flower she may look as to some folks.
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Geralt had white hair on the first game, and I don´t think it´s impossible to make a model for someone with "albinism", but anyway his model in the prevoius game and this one, is awesome, really, and like I replied earlier, it´s more important the character than the design.

About Yennefer, I´m really sorry if that comment was inappropriate, it wasn´t my intention, just that as a fanboy of the novels, and knowing the love for the details on this studio, aside for the design being faithful or not, just by the feeling that girl gives me, I can´t "feel" Yennefer, I´m sorry but I see her and I don´t sense her presence, and in a character like her, that´s a big deal. :D

shinobi2u said:
Ah, you're right. I forgot that part about the Elder Blood which ties into her abilities. And fear not, it's okay to be a fan of the books, just try to be open to any artistic changes CDRP employs. Hopefully we will get to see more of all the main characters soon (and maybe hear them as well), especially with Gamescom in 2 months.
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That would be fantastic. :D
 
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l4nz10

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#342
Jun 16, 2014
Geralt, Ciri, Triss and Dandelion look great in my opinion. Maybe Geralt should have a whiter beard.

My only concern is Yennefer: she misses her black hair and her beautiful purple eyes. Moreover, her hair should be longer, and her appearance, though being good, doesn't emanate that stunning beauty the books always talk about.
 
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ALPES

Rookie
#343
Jun 16, 2014
l4nz10 said:
her beautiful purple eyes
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She has pruple eyes in the SoD trailer. In some thread there was a screenshot of it but I dont't remember in which one.
 
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BroccoliSouP

Senior user
#344
Jun 16, 2014
Scheuk said:
Is that Philippa taking the eyes of a man in the CGI teaser?
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Some people think it is but there is theory it is Yennefer or her crow doing something. Don´t forget that Philipa is owl and not crow. But Philippa might have changed her look and it would make sense that she gets her eyes back like that.
 
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Kallelinski

Forum veteran
#345
Jun 17, 2014
broccolisoup said:
Some people think it is but there is theory it is Yennefer or her crow doing something. Don´t forget that Philipa is owl and not crow. But Philippa might have changed her look and it would make sense that she gets her eyes back like that.
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Kallelinski said:
[...]

About that last scene:


Fun fact, i never saw that person until now.
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Sword of Destiny
Between Yennefer's hands that trembled with the effort, slowly materialised the form of a coal-black bird. The sorceress' fingers gently caressed the slightly ruffled feathers, flat head and curved beak. Yet another movement, hypnotic, fluid and delicate, and the black kestrel, lowering its head, croaked loudly. Its twin, still sitting motionlessly in the corner, responded with a squawk.
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The crow (or black kestrel) flies through his head, if the crow should only get the eye, he would have picked it out. Also there is another non-lethal method to recreate an eye depicted in the books.
 
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moonknightgog

Forum veteran
#346
Jun 17, 2014
l4nz10 said:
Geralt, Ciri, Triss and Dandelion look great in my opinion. Maybe Geralt should have a whiter beard.

My only concern is Yennefer: she misses her black hair and her beautiful purple eyes. Moreover, her hair should be longer, and her appearance, though being good, doesn't emanate that stunning beauty the books always talk about.
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There are purple eyes. Take a better look to the video. :)
 
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ONLY_ONCE

Rookie
#347
Jun 18, 2014
l4nz10 said:
Geralt, Ciri, Triss and Dandelion look great in my opinion. Maybe Geralt should have a whiter beard.

My only concern is Yennefer: she misses her black hair and her beautiful purple eyes. Moreover, her hair should be longer, and her appearance, though being good, doesn't emanate that stunning beauty the books always talk about.
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No worries.. Her hair is black, Marcin said it was just the lighting in that video. ;)
 
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scratcherpen

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#348
Jun 19, 2014
I wish Ciri face scar was removed in some moment of the game with magic or something. Dont know why Sapkowki did this only in fictional endingbut for Ciri .as for any other girl appearance means a lot.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#349
Jun 24, 2014
Geralt's body proportions

Something bugged me all the time while watching the gameplay and the trailers for Witcher 3 which are available so far: Geralt's body proportions. They just didn't seem "right" to me. So I took the time and compared the body proportions of Geralt to the body proportions to Michelangelo's David which is known as one of the most accurate dipictions of the male human body and its proportions (apart from the too big head).

You can see in the pictures that I tried to choose both bodies in a similar pose with a kink at the waist to enable a valid comparison. Then I defined their usual body measurements (chest, waist, hip, waist-head, waist-knee). Let's have a look on the body ratios which are the significant numbers here in order to evaluate body proportions.

Let's start with Geralt:

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chest/waist ratio: 1.33
waist/hip ratio: 0.86

waist-head/waist-knee ratio: 0.57 (=height proportions)
(waist-head)+(waist-knee)/waist ratio: 3.91 (=height/width ratio)


Next one: David

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chest/waist ratio: 1.29
waist/hip ratio: 0.88

waist-head/waist-knee ratio: 0.71
(waist-head)+(waist-knee)/waist ratio: 3.43


So what does this numbers tell us. It seems that Geralt and David have quite comparable chest/waist and waist/hip ratios so they problem with the weird proportions can't be rooted here. But when we look at the ratio which evaluates his height proportions and the number which evaluates his height-width ratio we can see some quite deviating numbers. So it seems that the height proportions are kind of unnatural (with the knik in the waist being too high or the waist-head distance too big compared to the waist-knee distance) and the height-width ratio as well but to a lower extend (with Geralt being kind of stocky).


Feel free to discuss. ;)
 

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EcoSeis

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#350
Jun 24, 2014
Maybe you´re right, and Geralt is a little disproportionate, but I don´t see something to be concerned, I think it´s more the armor set than his body.
 
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StaGiors

Forum veteran
#351
Jun 24, 2014
Well done man nice work. I believe the ratios that evaluate the height/width should not matter that much. As you said Geralt is kind of stockier. Neither should the distance between head - waist and head - knee should matter too much in my opinion. For example, my brother has really long legs, so his ratios, I bet, differ quite a lot from mine. And we are brothers too. :p

David was created using the "average" proportions of the human body, if I am not mistaken. Deviations could exist though.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#352
Jun 24, 2014
Sure, I haven't said that it's something that HAS to be changed. There was just something which looked "weird" or "wrong" when looking at Geralt's body, at least for me. Of course bodies in reality are different as well with deviating proportions and stuff so there is actually nothing wrong with Geralt being more stocky. I think the high position of the kink in the waist area is a mores "serious" issue though since it pushes Geralt's body to some really weird proportions in general. ;)
 
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j3vl1

Senior user
#353
Jun 24, 2014
I really like the research that you've done, but Michelangolo's David is not known as one of the most accurate dipictions of the male human body and its proportions. Look at the hands and eyes for example. The upper body is also bigger than normal, Michelangolo did this because the statue is so massive, when looked from below the proportions are reasonably alright.
Nonetheless, it is a magnificent peace of art and I recommend to go see the real one some time! (if you didn't already). I've seen it a few times now and every time I'm in awe.
 
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shinobi2u

Forum veteran
#354
Jun 24, 2014
Naked body versus padding and armor. Kinda hard to compare apples to oranges.

Geralt also is very muscular (more so than David) and not exactly thin, so combined with him wearing heavier armor than some of the previous games....plus the David statue has already been shown to not have accurate human proportions (done on purpose to offset the size of the statue).

Here's a older vid of Geralt without armor.

Also, here are some pics of Geralt in armor from before. you can see that he has always had a fairly broad chest thanks to his latissimus dorsi.




And now W3. Doesn't seem to be much different, especially given how the shoulder armor changes his silhouette.
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wichat

Mentor
#355
Jun 24, 2014
Really? CDPR's designers are so bad? No offense @LordCrash, you've made a good job but...as Isaid in some posts last year, we have no a good image with correct cam angle to confirm anything. We don't know which patron CDPR des's used to do Geralt body, maybe the model is a real man that'd mean it wouldn't be perfect as Michaelangelo made David.
 
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Jupiter_on_Mars

Guest
#356
Jun 24, 2014
LordCrash said:
Something bugged me all the time while watching the gameplay and the trailers for Witcher 3 which are available so far: Geralt's body proportions. They just didn't seem "right" to me. So I took the time and compared the body proportions of Geralt to the body proportions to Michelangelo's David which is known as one of the most accurate dipictions of the male human body and its proportions (apart from the too big head).

You can see in the pictures that I tried to choose both bodies in a similar pose with a kink at the waist to enable a valid comparison. Then I defined their usual body measurements (chest, waist, hip, waist-head, waist-knee). Let's have a look on the body ratios which are the significant numbers here in order to evaluate body proportions.
(...)

Feel free to discuss. ;)
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You have got to be freaking kidding me!

1. First off, you have gone about deducing precise ratios via the most imprecise of ways, not even accounting for perspective. In that shot, Geralt is depicted slightly top down, whereas David is obviously seen from a bottom up point of view.

2. Secondly, regarding David, it's a commonly known fact that

The proportions of the David are atypical of Michelangelo's work; the figure has an unusually large head and hands (particularly apparent in the right hand). These enlargements may be due to the fact that the statue was originally intended to be placed on the cathedral roofline, where the important parts of the sculpture may have been accentuated in order to be visible from below
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( source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_(Michelangelo) )

This of course has direct implications on his overall height, case in point, dimensions of his torso.

3. You also seem to be forgetting what Renaissance in general was aiming at artistically, namely the role of classical Greek ideals. Realism was not atop of their list of priorities.

4. If a serious discussion is to be had, I'd suggest two references which, among a myriad of other subjects, address the topic of human proportions, both reliable sources when compared to ratios deduced from shots:

Neufert Architects' Data
Metric Handbook.

5. In conclusion, it seems your methods were rather imprecise, your gauge quite poorly chosen. Now, about your take. In my opinion, Geralt looks spot on. He looks both harmonious and expressive. If you ask me, CDProjekt nailed it.
 
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scratcherpen

Rookie
#357
Jun 24, 2014
Actually Michaelangelo David looks like that because of limit of marble artist had. Geralts body proportion is fine. Dont need change anything .
 
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Kinley

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#358
Jun 24, 2014
I think a comparison to Geralt's latest in-game model would be more appropriate.
 
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Geralt_and_Ciri

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#359
Jun 24, 2014
We are almost in the same level
http://www.somethingawful.com/weekend-web/bioware-social-forums/1/
 
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ezhlol

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#360
Jun 24, 2014
This hit me too. Thought that would be obvious and would get fixed before release.
 
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