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spacehamsterZH

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#761
Jan 6, 2015
Not that my opinion should count for anything, given that I've never read any of the books, but the Elder Blood version of Yennefer is clearly my favorite. Seems to me they tried to give her a bit more of that attitude a lot of people here felt the first version was missing (plus the hair's black now) without straying too far from the first version and/or going full Morticia Addams. Works for me.
 
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Tuchi

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#762
Jan 6, 2015
i'm still hoping someone in theyr right mind understeand how batshit CREAZY was the change of appearence with Eredin and give us via DLC or toolkit the option to revert it back to it's old vgx glorious self



i also wan't a secondary character in the game,no matter who, who looks and eacts exactly like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOtpeYERu9w
including the music when he walks. he could be a swaggerish Bard-mage walking with swag while he plaays he's magical instruments of music swaggerness
 
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Kallelinski

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#763
Jan 10, 2015
So, apparently Dudu Biberveldt is voiced by Ewan Bailey. Imdb
 
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Fuzzmandude

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#764
Jan 11, 2015
Haven't read the previous 71 pages, but....

Borch NEEDS to be in this/ or the baby dragon. Also, so does Istredd

Both characters would add tension between Yennefer and Geralt.
 
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ONLY_ONCE

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#765
Jan 11, 2015
HaHa.. Woah there camel toe! Yeah TW3 needs more of that, but with a more tasteful model lol...
 
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GimmeDaGun

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#766
Jan 11, 2015
zhander said:
Haven't read the previous 71 pages, but....

Borch NEEDS to be in this/ or the baby dragon. Also, so does Istredd

Both characters would add tension between Yennefer and Geralt.
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Well, I agree about Borch. As for the baby dragon, she was one of the main players of The Witcher 2's events: Saesenthessis or better known as Saskia. Since there's an option to kill her, I'm kind of sceptical about her appearance in The Wild Hunt, but she might get a cameo at least if you kept her alive in your playthrough, or at least she might be mentioned.
 
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shawn_kh

Rookie
#767
Jan 11, 2015
zhander said:
Borch NEEDS to be in this/ or the baby dragon. Also, so does Istredd

Both characters would add tension between Yennefer and Geralt.
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Another reason why I don't like Yennefer.
She wanted Geralt to put his life in great danger and slay a dragon with utmost cruelty which went against his moral code, just so she could extract an ingredient that would possibly cure her infertility.
Who did she want to have babies with ?
Geralt was still infertile.
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#768
Jan 11, 2015
shawn_kh said:
Who did she want to have babies with ?
Geralt was still infertile.
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A lot of fertile guys around Northern Kingdoms, i guess :D
 
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Fuzzmandude

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#769
Jan 11, 2015
Arthas99 said:
Well, I agree about Borch. As for the baby dragon, she was one of the main players of The Witcher 2's events: Saesenthessis or better known as Saskia. Since there's an option to kill her, I'm kind of sceptical about her appearance in The Wild Hunt, but she might get a cameo at least if you kept her alive in your playthrough, or at least she might be mentioned.
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Yeah, I didn't not kill the dragon on my playthrough. I kinda assumed that the dragon was the baby anyway.

Ljesnjanin said:
A lot of fertile guys around Northern Kingdoms, i guess :D
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And the south ;)
 
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EliHarel

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#770
Jan 17, 2015
Taken from the DLC thread, http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32289-The-Witcher-3-Wild-Hunt-16-free-DLCs-for-everyone!?p=1512280&viewfull=1#post1512280.

tsuchinokoultimate you keep trying to use a very authoritative and supposedly objective rhetoric in a discussion that comes down to taste. To demonstrate with your own example:

tsuchinokoultimate said:
ok dude, what you say might be true when you analize the profound concept of badassery but is wrong on an instinctive level tough

an example? look ath this 2 from the stree fighter franchise

Oro : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lVjJiRMy3A
and Oni : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRX4PcaLR18

now you tell me who you instinctively would coniderd the most awesome/impressive/badass just from looking. i know wh i would chose

befoure you ask they are almost exactly the same on a power level...maybe oro is even stronger >_>

this is too tell you that look DOES matter. eredin may be badass either way, but this new look SUCKS
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I found that Oni chap very boring, going by appearances alone. Overly bulky, evil laughter, excessive power, shiny silvery-fiery hair, weird floating balls around him... it just screams too much, for me. I don't find that design tasteful, or badass, just gratuitously "intimidating" - or trying to be. And the end result is something I find uninspiring.

But there's a second part to this discussion about Eredin's armor. So far we kept debating whether his new look is more\less "badass", based on the hidden assumption that the final boss, the leader, the big bad guy or what have you, has to look "badass" (whatever that means). Or that the King needs to be significantly differentiated in design from his captains.

And I don't necessarily agree with either of those premises to begin with. Sometimes a relatively plain looking character who proves to have tremendous skill has a much stronger impact, than the epic looking one. And I see no issue with Eredin looking more or less like the rest of his captains. I think he's noticeable enough, only in a subtler manner, rather than an "in-your-face" way.
 
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EliHarel

Rookie
#771
Jan 17, 2015
This discussion isn't going towards any productive direction, but I'll give it another shot.
tsuchinokoultimate said:
besouse what i say IS objectively true. what you describe in your quote essentialy proves it. the abjective yuo used, like intimidating are EXACTLY what a character like eredin ( and on general terms the main villain) is going for.

true is if you had to face one of those too face to face and you would have given a chioce your first ,initial,instinctive choise would be no douvt 100% to face Oro, even if with due reserch and aftertought you might come to the realization that he might very well being in fact the strongest of the two.

what i say in this regard is not about taste nor opinions. these are all objective facts about the human psyche ad how it works
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You misunderstood what I described. The adjective I used, intimidating, was put under quotation marks to indicate it failed to delivery. And to emphasize, I followed through immediately after by writing "trying to be". I'm fairly certain that anyone who read my post was under the impression that I found that character's excessively "evil" design to ultimately be unsuccessful in creating something that I could find compelling.

Now, you say that Eredin is going for the intimidation factor. We can argue that, but, eh, I don't think that's really crucial. So for the sake of this discussion, I'll say - fine, he's trying to be intimidating. Thing is, intimidation can be achieved in many ways. And throughout the years, I found very few characters who by their appearance alone I felt intimidated, while I found more and more characters who solely thanks to their behavior kept me on the edge of my seat. John Doe from Se7en was as plain looking as you get, but he put goosebumps on my skin. Col. Hans Landa wasn't all that different in looks, if at all, from any other Nazi officer - but he chilled me to the bone. Tywin is physically nondescript, but I don't dare disobey him.

So even if Eredin wants to intimidate, it'll be better achieved through his behavior alone. Any excessively flamboyant piece of armor or physical trait might distract, and unwittingly diminish the impact of his personality. I don't think it's a simple formula of "write a creepy person and then just slap a bulky armor on top of it and it's intimidation x2".

Then you write,
true is if you had to face one of those too face to face and you would have given a chioce your first ,initial,instinctive choise would be no douvt 100% to face Oro, even if with due reserch and aftertought you might come to the realization that he might very well being in fact the strongest of the two.
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I had half a mind to argue this, because I don't appreciate presumptions on my account, let alone when they're delivered with a haughty line such as "you would no doubt 100% choose what I'm trying to prove is right". But then I realized that it's not essential to our debate anyway. First, because Eredin is otherworldly as is. Second, even if one of his captains has a more intimidating appearance, I haven't read any convincing argument here that explains why the King has to look significantly more intimidating than his other generals (and I personally find him the most intimidating in appearance out of the Red Riders).
 
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EliHarel

Rookie
#772
Jan 17, 2015
tsuchinokoultimate said:
usually the leader of an "evil" party mantains the command thansk to fear and not ( or at least not solely) on respect as it may happen,let's say in a democracy
this is the first and most obvious reason i could provide you as an answer to the question ( why the eveil guy's boss must be the most intimidating of the bounch)
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Even if this is so, you aren't explaining why that fear is best gained by an armor's appearance. I even argue that the closer people are to him, the less he needs to rely on appearance, and more on action. Meaning that if he wants to hold his band of Riders by terrorizing them (again, arguable), that still isn't an argument in favor of the bulky armor from before.

regarding the other paragraph you are lying. it's plain and simple. there is NO way in hell, that you would find on a primordial instictively level more thrathening for your life Oro than Oni if you had to face one of the two in real life at first look. you are able to add all your post tought reasoning only becouse that could never happen and if really putted against them the worst case scenario is a game over,not your life ending. and since we have to presume to feel the same level of life ending threat the in game characters are feeling twards Eredin like the common paesant in the witcher world and not ours as essentially,the,untachable all powerfoul, omnipotent beings able to change the very fabric of reality of eredin world ( and even character as we are witnessing) with a simple mouse click we basically are when dealing with games your points are void of any true meaning. you don't feel trathned on and a sustantial primordial level becuose..well you basically aren't. it's only a videogame.

but if it was real life like i'm pretending for the sake of letting you know that again, my point IS true,becouse that's how the human and generally the mammal mind works trust me you would NOT choose oni over Oro, no matter how non threathened you might find hime as a gamer.
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Aaaand we hit that non-productivity mark, where I'm being slandered as a liar. tsuchinokoultimate, if you're willing to use such disrespectful rhetoric, the least you can do is get your facts straight - at no point did I project myself into a peasant and say as that role which of those two characters I rather fight. You're making something up. Let's review this. You say-
regarding the other paragraph
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And that other paragraph is-
I had half a mind to argue this, because I don't appreciate presumptions on my account, let alone when they're delivered with a haughty line such as "you would no doubt 100% choose what I'm trying to prove is right". But then I realized that it's not essential to our debate anyway. First, because Eredin is otherworldly as is. Second, even if one of his captains has a more intimidating appearance, I haven't read any convincing argument here that explains why the King has to look significantly more intimidating than his other generals (and I personally find him the most intimidating in appearance out of the Red Riders).
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I'm pointedly staying away from the Oro-Oni discussion in this paragraph of mine, so at what point am I lying that I, as a peasant, would choose to fight the Oro instead of Oni? At no stage did I say that.

There was one paragraph where I wrote my impression about Oni, but it was in an older post, so I stands to reason that you weren't referencing it. Still, I'll bring it up again-
I found that Oni chap very boring, going by appearances alone. Overly bulky, evil laughter, excessive power, shiny silvery-fiery hair, weird floating balls around him... it just screams too much, for me. I don't find that design tasteful, or badass, just gratuitously "intimidating" - or trying to be. And the end result is something I find uninspiring.
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In this paragraph of mine, I write that I find him boring. I, Eli, 21st century, sitting on my couch. Not I as Eli in a medieval'esque fantasy world facing him for a life or death battle. Heck, I even put in Bold the words "for me". You dub me a liar? What is this other than utterly twisting what I'm saying?

But here's the thing.

You're creating a false analogy here with Ono-Oni and OldEredin-NewEredin. Ono is an unassuming old man. So when compared to Oni, then obviously the latter stands out much more (which I still find dull, as an audience). They're different at the core, opposing sides on the spectrum. That's not our case here for the discussion about the King. If we're comparing Old Eredin and New Eredin, I believe that a peasant will piss his pants from either version. What, will the old design make him piss his pants more? New Eredin = piss until knee, Old Eredin = piss until shin?

My point by ridiculing this is that Eredin is still intimidating, and that even if Old Eredin is supposedly "more intimidating" to a peasant, the difference is negligible. And when the difference is negligible, there are many other considerations that might weigh heavier.

Here's another thing. Let's say for the sake of the discussion that as a peasant, if I'm forced to face someone to fight, I'll prefer New Eredin over Old Eredin (which isn't to say I don't find New Eredin frightening).

So what?

When was it established that Eredin needs to max out the "fear points" in his appearance, to the exclusion of any other consideration? I began my posts to you by saying that I don't agree with the hidden assumption fueling this debate about his armor that he has to look as badass as possible, no matter what, and I'm ending my participation for the night by repeating that line of mine, because it wasn't addressed.
 
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GuyNwah

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#773
Jan 17, 2015
Moderator: We do not, in our discussions on this forum, pretend that any of our esthetic opinions in any way constitute fact or are superior to those of any other member. And we certainly do not insult other members by calling them liars for disagreeing with us on such matters.

Members who do not follow these rules of the forum and common decency will find themselves the moderators' lawful prey.
 
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KingHochmeister

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#774
Jan 17, 2015
shawn_kh said:
Another reason why I don't like Yennefer.
She wanted Geralt to put his life in great danger and slay a dragon with utmost cruelty which went against his moral code, just so she could extract an ingredient that would possibly cure her infertility.
Who did she want to have babies with ?
Geralt was still infertile.
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Remember that Geralt broke her heart :p
 
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sfinx

Rookie
#775
Jan 17, 2015
shawn_kh said:
Another reason why I don't like Yennefer.
She wanted Geralt to put his life in great danger and slay a dragon with utmost cruelty which went against his moral code, just so she could extract an ingredient that would possibly cure her infertility.
Who did she want to have babies with ?
Geralt was still infertile.
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It's good to say those events happened after Geralt run away from her without saying a word. Than they met again and he though she will jump in bed with him ;) .. Her desire to have a baby is not about her relationships. I don't think any man can understand that.

And she just asked him to do that - when he refused that, she was just sad, nothing more..
 
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savioeven

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#776
Jan 18, 2015
I hope I could see the elf queen i.e. Francesca findabair (i hope they made her very beautifull since she is considered very beautifull in the books )and the green eye sorceress i.e. Fringilla Vigo
 
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Scryar

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#777
Jan 18, 2015
Savioas said:
I hope I could see the elf queen i.e. Francesca findabair (i hope they made her very beautifull since she is considered very beautifull in the books )and the green eye sorceress i.e. Fringilla Vigo
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If I'm not mistaken Fringilla Vigo appearing in W3 was confirmed some months ago by a dev in this forum. But no idea how to find the post.
Meeting Francesca Findabair would be great. She was mentioned several times in Witcher 2, so maybe the chances aren't that bad.
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#778
Jan 18, 2015
Savioas said:
Fringilla Vigo
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It is always nice to meet another Fringilla fan :beer:
 
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EliHarel

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#779
Jan 18, 2015
What do you guys like about Fringilla?
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#780
Jan 18, 2015
eliharel said:
What do you guys like about Fringilla?
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Short-haired brunettes with green eyes are my only weakness...
Also, she likes books...A lot of books :D
 
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