Character death: the final frontier?

[blank_redge]

In PnP if you r dead, you r dead. The same should be in Cp77.
That's why I have proposed teams of 6 to be created and fully controlled.

One of the many (many, many...) Diablo 2 clones was a Japanese themed game called Throne of Darkness. In it, you could have up to 4 characters in your party, and you could designate any one of them the "party lead." The remaining three characters would fall back or stay in one of several formations set ahead of time, then hotkeyed. So, as different situations presented themselves, you could change formations on the fly.

Being a D2 clone, it was an isometric view; not sure how well this mechanic would work with a 3 dimensional, open world format.


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...now that I think about it, I don't think this mechanic would mesh well with a true RPG game, where you're getting invested in the character and storyline, rather than grinding for loot and drops.

 

[wisdom000]

IIRC, the whole "cloning" thing with Johnny was experimental tech. Not exactly like going down to the mall to get those L-wire hair implants.

Even if we wind up being SUPAR-AWESOEM!!1 leet Edgerunners, the idea of "endless clone respawns" doesn't appeal to me.

Agreed.... not even a little bit.

In PnP if you r dead, you r dead. The same should be in Cp77.
That's why I have proposed teams of 6 to be created and fully controlled.

No thanks. I wouldn't mind having homies or whatever I could call up to have my back, but I don't want to control them, nor do I want them to always be hanging around everywhere I go... mostly because homies like that are always functionally retarded... fighting in enclosed spaces, they pick up the rocket launcher.... then I have to kill them myself.

Aaaand just a little because you miss CRPG-style group role-play, right? The good old days of Bard's Tale, Baldur's Gate and whatnot.

Those were fun, but I always found them RP-lite. Hard enough to get into one persons' head, never mind 4 or 5 people.

Exactly.... keep those hard as a rock flavorless marhmallows out of my frosted flakes.

 

[SupremeGunman.322]

Amen and please god no.... Cyberpunk is about plausibility, not being uploaded to an endless number of clones......... seriously fuck all that..

Would you prefer the Nanobot reconstruction ala Jason X style rebirth? Trying to come up with plausible ways of bringing someone back to the dead is somewhat complicated. aka GTA style = You were blown up by a rocket launcher, but we took you to the hospital and your all better. (Not Very Plausible)

Reloading from a save point eliminates the need for explanation since by the view of the save file you didn't actually die, but I prefer to give some consequences for dying.

I'm just saying, 2077 is a long way off, and at our current rate of technological progress it shouldn't be completely discounted. I'll agree that it deosn't really follow the feel of the cyberpunk world though.

 

[samacvuk]

following cp2022
you can heal almost anything,
in cp 2077, should be a permadeath, but from something really hard to happen, it should only exist the possibility.

 

[Sardukhar]

"you can heal almost anything"?

Well, limb loss is limb loss - replace. If you don'tbleed out and fast or die of shock.

If you're mortal 0-9, ( a good knife blow or .22 round can do this to the average person) and you blow your death save, you're dead. If they don't GET to you within 5 minutes tops, you're really, permanently dead.

If they DO get to you once you die, they have to make a fairly tough rol to revive you, then another to stabilize you.

Death is pretty common in Cpunk. So although you -can- heal amost anything, that's true in the real world as well.

Just some things are on the far realm of probability.

 

[wisdom000]

Would you prefer the Nanobot reconstruction ala Jason X style rebirth? Trying to come up with plausible ways of bringing someone back to the dead is somewhat complicated. aka GTA style = You were blown up by a rocket launcher, but we took you to the hospital and your all better. (Not Very Plausible)

Reloading from a save point eliminates the need for explanation since by the view of the save file you didn't actually die, but I prefer to give some consequences for dying.

I'm just saying, 2077 is a long way off, and at our current rate of technological progress it shouldn't be completely discounted. I'll agree that it deosn't really follow the feel of the cyberpunk world though.

None of the above...


You die, you Reload from last save... though even the gta "wake up at the hospital" bit would be better than any clone army or jason x nonsense...

In the absolute hardest difficulty, you die, you start all over again from scratch... not a mode I would play, but hey, Sardi is a glutton for punishment.

 

[netra]

None of the above...


You die, you Reload from last save... though even the gta "wake up at the hospital" bit would be better than any clone army or jason x nonsense...

In the absolute hardest difficulty, you die, you start all over again from scratch... not a mode I would play, but hey, Sardi is a glutton for punishment.

A view I can subscribe to.

 

[Sardukhar]

Yerp!

Gives you that pulse-pounding tension.

Tough to find a game that gives a realistic chance and doesn't force youto employ cowardice and AI exploits to survive though. Most games are built around healing potions and magic abilities that heal, etc, respawn learning curves, etc.

 

[onosendai7]

My two cents :

Since it is neither 2013 or 2020 but 2077 and soulkiller tech allow a complete copy of a mind, why not borrow Richard Morgan's idea (from Altered Carbon) of saving of mental state in a -very- small piece of hardware when the body dies, which may then be uploaded in another body (not necessarily a clone) ?
Of course, that should be pretty expensive in in-game currency terms and as such, not available until mid-game (or the point in the storyline where the character may afford it).
BTW, this does not solve the problem of mission failure (what are the consequence of screwing badly ?)

 

[netra]

(what are the consequence of screwing badly ?)

Shame, horrible shame.
Also possibly STDs

 

[onosendai7]

Shame, horrible shame.
Also possibly STDs

Shame ?
In a video games ?
Well, a new attribute to add on the character sheet, with shame rolls

"- Shame roll ?
- Fumble.
- here is a Kendashi mono-blade. Get yourself sepuku..."

What does STD means ?
Starving To Death ?

 

[netra]

You said (what are the consequence of screwing badly ?) instead of (what are the consequence of screwing up badly ?)
So i just made a joke ;3




but i like your ideas xD

 

[Sardukhar]

Shame is already in 2020. It's the Cool stat. You can have face-offs and opposed social rolls involving Cool, Attr and Emp, plus or without relevant skills.

Do you see how great the PnP rules are?!

 

[wisdom000]

You said (what are the consequence of screwing badly ?) instead of (what are the consequence of screwing up badly ?)
So i just made a joke ;3




but i like your ideas xD

Even though you had to explain your own joke, the joke still made you one of my new favorites here...

Shame is already in 2020. It's the Cool stat. You can have face-offs and opposed social rolls involving Cool, Attr and Emp, plus or without relevant skills.

Do you see how great the PnP rules are?!

They really do cover everything, just superbly.

 

[hyttenhoof]

I'd massively prefer the classic quick saves and auto saves of RPGs.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Like many people have said in the thread:
Trauma Team should be able to save you moat of the time in public pr residential areas, (corporate and government buildings not so much,) but perma-death should be on the cards.

If you take one in the old brain pan, then it's time to go cyber. Also, if you can't afford the bill, a loan shark or corporate contracter should be there and you should either be forced to work for them or pay excessive interest.

 

[presstheeject]

I think that there should be a hardcore mode where you only have one life. I would enjoy it greatly and it would make you re-evaluate the risks of certain jobs making this hard-boiled futuristic cyberpunk world feel as dangerous as it should be.

In addition There should be situations where you just get lethally wounded but survive, and you don't know it until the screen fades from black and you wake up in some hospital, it would be a very nice touch if you respawned inside the hospital in a bed.

Other than that there should be things that could get you knocked unconscious. And where you wake up then should be random. The enemy could kill you while you're out cold, or dump you in a valley or in some really bad neighborhood.

Handling damage should be similar to the first Deus Ex, where different body parts take damage and when the health of that body part is 0 that part is useless. Different types of damage would be cool as well: piercing, blunt, laceration, burnt etc.

 

[wisdom000]

Shame is already in 2020. It's the Cool stat. You can have face-offs and opposed social rolls involving Cool, Attr and Emp, plus or without relevant skills.

Do you see how great the PnP rules are?!

Shame isn't cool, it's empathy...

 

[Sardukhar]

Necrowhatnow?

Shame is already in 2020. It's the Cool stat. You can have face-offs and opposed social rolls involving Cool, Attr and Emp, plus or without relevant skills.

Do you see how great the PnP rules are?!

They really do cover everything, just superbly.

 

[blank_redge]

Oi, Sard, your multi-quote is all bollocksed up. Can't make out what point you're trying to get across.

Though, looks like you're trying to poke Wisdom with a stick.

As usual. Situation normal; carry on.