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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#421
Jun 5, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
Christ that wig is awful, makes that chick hideous...
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Yeah, but her face helps in that regard as well.
 
thewarsend

thewarsend

Forum veteran
#422
Jun 5, 2013
Prod Slash said:
Yeah, but her face helps in that regard as well.
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It can help to some extend, yes, but no matter what, it will still look horrible.

ChrisWebb2020 said:


Gamer covered that pretty well actually.
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Also, Fifth Element, anyone?

 
Decatonkeil

Decatonkeil

Forum veteran
#423
Jun 5, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
Christ that wig is awful, makes that chick hideous...
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Christ that flick is awful. Flesh avatars that flicker... just... physical matter doesn't flicker! It's computer graphics that do!
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#424
Jun 5, 2013
Thats from a movie? Something tells me it sucks... like Hunger Games sucks....
 
thewarsend

thewarsend

Forum veteran
#425
Jun 5, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
Thats from a movie? Something tells me it sucks... like Hunger Games sucks....
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"Gamer" sucked even worse than "Hunger Games". (Well, that depends) It was a big let down.
 
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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#426
Jun 6, 2013
Sorry, to clarify I meant that her face also helped make her look awful.
 
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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#427
Jun 6, 2013
I have never seen Gamer or Hunger Games and now I am glad of that.
 
Decatonkeil

Decatonkeil

Forum veteran
#428
Jun 6, 2013
The thing is Gamer had some ideas that were gold. Flesh avatars for a sexy second lifey thing (the picture) and for a FPS blood sport. Those ideas would be gold... if they were in a critical commentary film, but Gamer isn't one.

SPOILERS:

The film was itself the problem that there is with american media: you can show violence and gore and it's alright, but sex is a no-no. There's this kid that plays this FPS in which he controls a death sentenced convict dubbed Kable (I think...) and the film could use some commentary on death penalty, violence in media, kids playing games that aren't suitable for their age, propaganda games... but it doesn't. Instead it makes it all glamorous, this 15 y.o. or so gamer has fucking teen groupies. But when you meet your token user of the sexy avatar chat he's all fat, sweaty, pervy and disgusting... and a caritcature.
And, to wrap up, at the very end of the film we learn that the technology that was used to link users to these cyberhookers that are the flesh and bone avatars, the nanex, has been used all this time to force people into consuming this kind of entertainment. Are you shitting me, movie? Are you going for the "at this point it's not even your fault for not having your own criteria and critical thinking to choose your entertainment better"? You see, it's not one of this films that holds, as they say, a mirror in front of you and tells you "this is you and you should feel ashamed" (well, maybe it does to porn addicts), it's a film that tells you it's not your fault you can't decide what's worth your interest and it gives you an escapegoat.

END OF SPOILER.
 
chriswebb2020.736

chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#429
Jun 6, 2013
Decatonkeil said:
The thing is Gamer had some ideas that were gold. Flesh avatars for a sexy second lifey thing (the picture) and for a FPS blood sport. Those ideas would be gold... if they were in a critical commentary film, but Gamer isn't one.
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Couldn't agree more.

Decatonkeil said:
SPOILERS:

The film was itself the problem that there is with american media: you can show violence and gore and it's alright, but sex is a no-no. There's this kid that plays this FPS in which he controls a death sentenced convict dubbed Kable (I think...) and the film could use some commentary on death penalty, violence in media, kids playing games that aren't suitable for their age, propaganda games... but it doesn't. Instead it makes it all glamorous, this 15 y.o. or so gamer has fucking teen groupies. But when you meet your token user of the sexy avatar chat he's all fat, sweaty, pervy and disgusting... and a caritcature.
And, to wrap up, at the very end of the film we learn that the technology that was used to link users to these cyberhookers that are the flesh and bone avatars, the nanex, has been used all this time to force people into consuming this kind of entertainment. Are you shitting me, movie? Are you going for the "at this point it's not even your fault for not having your own criteria and critical thinking to choose your entertainment better"? You see, it's not one of this films that holds, as they say, a mirror in front of you and tells you "this is you and you should feel ashamed" (well, maybe it does to porn addicts), it's a film that tells you it's not your fault you can't decide what's worth your interest and it gives you an escapegoat.

END OF SPOILER.
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This is where I desagree. While it could have used some narration or intro titles explaining the social progression to the current state of the film, (similar to Death Race,) I don't see it as 'excusing' society for it's poor choice, because we were forced into it. I saw it as saying, "These people were forced, the real world is not. Make the right choices and take control of yourself and stop giving it to away corrupt corporations and politicians."

Essentially, it is the mantra of the Cyberpunk.
 
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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#430
Jun 6, 2013
Interesting and well thought out arguments from both of you. But now I am gladder:p
 
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whipblade

Rookie
#431
Jun 6, 2013
It's been said before, but I will reiterate: Relationships that are merely there for the player to get a romance achievement are not for this game. I just wanted to recap some of the good things people have said when it comes to relationships and insert a few of my own thoughts:

Dalmacija1: Something like Case - Molly kind of relationship from Neuromancer?
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Yes. This would be very good. They don't ever really get 'close' as a couple, but they come to trust each other and work for a common goal with romantic undertones.

testsubject013: ...the characters(NPC) should be their own person have their own goal, likes, dislikes, their own motives for doing something not just because the player tells them to do it. The characters should be there because it makes sense for them to be there. Their existences should be separate from the player’s and should not be add just to stroke the player’s ego.
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Correct. I like the idea of coming together only to find out that you have opposite goals. Either you betray what you have been fighting for all along, or you stick to your guns and maybe end up fighting against her.

Mojukai: Characters have baggage, and in his world, if they don't, it's arguable that they're emotionally so jaded as to be incapable of real love. In other words, there needs to be a lot of depth to the way characters interact. Chemistry needs to be a tricky thing, or else there is no feeling of accomplishment, no feeling of conquest.
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Yup. I really think that the problem is exacerbated by having 'correct' choices of dialogue clearly dilineated. It should be much more muddy. Sometimes you say something that is misinterpreted. Sometimes your flirting is taken as overbearing. Sometimes people just don't like the way you look.

Taryn Black: Romance has a place if it means something to you as an inhabitant of the world... A full borg feels almost nothing and is probably about as close to cyberpsychosis as you can get without going over the edge and receiving a visit from your local CSWAT. Romance is not high on their list of priorities. A corp agent would use romance/seduction if appropriate or useful for any number of reasons. A lightly cybered character (player) might want or need love,or they might not. The world is complex, as are those who inhabit it.
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This thought is fantastic. I think a lot of people are min-maxers, they try and get the biggest guns, the best armor and the most powerful implants. They also want romance options. What happens when the two of those conflict? What if, as you edge closer to cyberpsychosis, your SO begins to warn you, and will leave you because you are coming too close to the edge than she is comfortable with?

Or, on the flipside, what happens if your SO is the one who starts to go crazy? How do you deal with someone who is constantly edging toward cyberpsychosis and won't stop?

David Gaider, lead writer of Dragon Age: As soon as the player is aware it’s possible, you are in fact encouraging them towards a certain type of behavior.
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So true. I think this is why it's so hard to get right, and why Wisdom likes the idea of Romance with potentially anyone. In real life, that's the way it works. It's fluid and unpredictable and you don't just see that person as 'Romance Option #3'

Wisdom000: I do like the idea of having buddies/contacts/girlfiiends whatever I can call to drive around the city with, or take on missions, or just run around with...
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I love this option. Instead of romance options, what about just friends and colleagues? After going on several missions and various encounters, when you walk into Afterlife, instead of being dismissed as a rookie, you finally get the subtle nod of 'What's up?' from the real Edgerunners who have their own reputations. You're finally able to team up with them and maybe approached for help. I think this plays into something someone else said: It'd be nice to see something fully developed that actually has an effect on the game beyond "X and the PC are dating." Quests, references by other NPCs, etc. would be cool.

Littature: Your enemies should know you are in a relationship and take advantage of it.
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Yeah! What happened to the classic trope of being in a relationship as being a vulnerability? Do you really want to open yourself up to something like that? What happens when you start getting blackmailed because you got caught with another woman, or because your SO gets kidnapped, or threatened?

Anyway, just a few thoughts.
 
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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#432
Jun 7, 2013
Littature: Your enemies should know you are in a relationship and take advantage of it.
Yeah! What happened to the classic trope of being in a relationship as being a vulnerability? Do you really want to open yourself up to something like that? What happens when you start getting blackmailed because you got caught with another woman, or because your SO gets kidnapped, or threatened?

Anyway, just a few thoughts.
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Yes. The other points are valid but especially this one.
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#433
Jun 7, 2013
What happens when SHE starts stepping out on you?
 
chriswebb2020.736

chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#434
Jun 7, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
What happens when SHE starts stepping out on you?
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21st century bud, It could still be HE...
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#435
Jun 7, 2013
ChrisWebb2020 said:
21st century bud, It could still be HE...
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Maybe for your character... my character is gonna be strictly hetero...
 
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Mister_Lizard

Rookie
#436
Jun 7, 2013
Gay.....Straight.....Don't be so suburban man. In either case you shoot them. Duh.
 
chriswebb2020.736

chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#437
Jun 7, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
Maybe for your character... my character is gonna be strictly hetero...
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And what happens if you roll a female character?

Prod Slash said:
Gay.....Straight.....Don't be so suburban man. In either case you shoot them. Duh.
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Don't forget Poly!
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#438
Jun 7, 2013
ChrisWebb2020 said:
And what happens if you roll a female character?


Don't forget Poly!
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Um... I will be making a male character, basing him off my Cyberpunk 2020 character....

I am not going in for any randomly generated character nonsense...
 
chriswebb2020.736

chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#439
Jun 7, 2013
Wisdom000 said:
Um... I will be making a male character, basing him off my Cyberpunk 2020 character....

I am not going in for any randomly generated character nonsense...
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And I will create Axl, and I will 'attempt' to create a military tech corp called 'Protech Arms'. Thats my oldest and favourite character. But I also want to create other characters.
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#440
Jun 7, 2013
Joachim Steuben/Johann Vierziger. Romance? Complicated. Sex? Lots.

Not that I'm making Joachim, since I don't think even I'm that psycho, but he's an interesting character romance-wise.
 
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