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Correct me if I’m wrong but Johnny Silverhand is an 80’s inspired rockerboy not punkerboy.

This isnt 2020 though. Maybe people haven given up the world even more.

I dont know, Im looking forward to hardcore punk game, its probably nice experience, but hardcore punk isnt easiest to isten, so devs gotta give something for player to think etc.
 
I don’t the 2018 was made by any real band. I thought that the main composer (Marcin Prybilowisz) made that with maybe an additional singer.


Correct me if I’m wrong but Johnny Silverhand is an 80’s inspired rockerboy not punkerboy.

As you might know, Rockerboy encompases all genres of music, because if it was the other way, there would be a 600 page long handbook kalled "Musicboy and girl". Johnny and Samurai are described as tough as nails, uncompromising rebels. So they are punkerpoys. They are more The Exploited, Sex Pistols, Cro-Mags, D.O.A rather than corporates like Bruce Springsteen. That's why a track that sounds like Sick of it All is better than the one that sounds like Michael Bolton with a throat cancer :) (Not that I wish something bad to MB, all the best MB!)
 
a track that sounds like Sick of it All is better than the one that sounds like Michael Bolton with a throat cancer

Googled Sick of it all.

No thanks. Got tired of it by the 7 second mark. That is constant barking devoid of soul, rhythm, passion and meaningful message.

What I see Samurai as more of a RATM political activists.

Sadly the new band is nowhere near as good as RATM.
 
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atomowyturysta talking about late 80s NY Hardcore Punk Movment Sick of it all
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not about ala Deftones early 2000s poser punk
and his overall idea is first version = Whitesnake blond dude second version = Henry Rollins
 
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atomowyturysta talking about late 80s NY Hardcore Punk Movment Sick of it all
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not about ala Deftones early 2000s poser punk
and his overall idea is first version = Whitesnake blond dude second version = Henry Rollins

Yeah, I’m not well-versed in the kinds of crap that poses as music.
 
Yeah. Everybody has his own taste and own definition what good music is.
But I have very good news for you.In one in the recent polish interviews Przybyłowicz said they recorded ridicoulus and terryfing number of songs for this game and you probably will have very bad luck if none of them is for you
 
Radiohead is probably closest band to dystopia I know.


There isnt many dystopian bands out there, tough for CDPR to nail it.
 
But I have very good news for you.In one in the recent polish interviews Przybyłowicz said they recorded ridicoulus and terryfing number of songs for this game and you probably will have very bad luck if none of them is for you

The thing is it’s not the vocal minority that prefers the 2018 version - according to polls on here and Reddit the community is split 50/50.

With that said I really hope we can use music on radio stations in the same manner GTA-5 lets you. This way those not liking the new version might just not subject themselves to it.
 
Yeah, I’m not well-versed in the kinds of crap that poses as music.

Well. Your opinion is yours and it matters. However Punk Rock and Hard Core are musical genres that predate NIN (in your avatar, I guess that, for some reason, you're the fan) for 3 decades. Without the very bands like SoiA, you are so very disguisted of just after 7 seconds, there wouldn't be NIN you so love, and Rage Against The Machine (the multimillionare corporate assholes who prise socialism because it pays so fucking good - yes, I hate the every bit of the fuckers)
But the point is not to like it. You can hate it, if you have reasons. Turning off after 7 seconds is not a reason, it shows you might be just ignorant, that's all. You may not like it, but if you have any idea about what 80's punk is (and, whether you like it or not, the rockerboys are inspired by the 80s punk counterculture, not "a good american tough guy with a lot of money and fasion sense popculture" which is Bruce Springsteen. whom I like very much). It's not a matter of "I like the genre so I like the song". The genre of the first "chipping in" has nothing to do with Johnny Silverhand (and yes, I don't particularily like glam rock, because it's fake and dishonest) Tough, rebel, independent, rough around the edges and inside as well. The Samurai is depicted a your regular underground punk rock band, however in Cyberpunk the punkrock underground went mainstream. There's nothing punk in the first verion. There's some punk in the new. It's not perfect. It could easily be done better. But it is rooted in the 80s punk and the old version has nothing to do with it. Again, you don't have to like it. Not all people in cyberpunk world like Johnny Silverhand. A lot of people here probably hate both version because it is NOT Luciano Pavarotti, but they are reasonable, and I willing to slip it through.
And: "That is constant barking devoid of soul, rhythm, passion and meaningful message" Seriously? After 7 seconds? :) "No passion and message" about a band that's out there for almost 40 years? :)
And as you cleraly love "7 seconds", and I guess you're quite too young to know better, and clearly in need of some musical education about the 80s :)

And stay chill, I'm just messing around with you :) I don't think you're worse person because you don't find HC/Punk to your liking. That's perfectly ok. I'm not better person just because I like HC/P either. I won't go as far and call my self better at all, because, to be honest, I'm a terrible dick sometimes, well usually... :) You just make very absolute statements. And only Sith deals in absolute :)
 
With that said I really hope we can use music on radio stations in the same manner GTA-5 lets you. This way those not liking the new version might just not subject themselves to it.

Are you talking about self-radio? It doesnt sound Cyberpunkish to me. DJs or Radio Stations who play the current "hottest" music sounds more Cyberpunk to me. At least I imagine Cyberpunkers to follow trends. Usually Fashion and Trends goes hand to hand, next cool track could be dead tomorrow etc.

Speaking of music, I think there should be Music Videos too. I dont know any game what does Music Videos, would give nice twist ot the series.

Would it be fun if decision what you made in your story line would affect on what kind of music is played on the radio? GTA's path just isnt enough for Cyberpunk, imho.
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Radio/Media and Story Line being linked is probably my best idea by far. If you are a dick, the game could remind you about that via Radio etc. Usually game decisions comes and goes, did I just sleep with dude? Did I killed tons of people etc. If CDPR aint doing it, I hope someone does.
 
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Shouldnt dystopia sound like soulless? I would be pissed off, if there was shuffle music for example, or some brazilian tango. If CRPR manages to create music what sounds like "forgotten" it should work just fine.
No, I don't believe so. In my experience, the best punk, the best rock, the best metal, etc., all had soul, had that certain intangible thing that made you feel something, made you connect. This doesn't give me that, at all. I'd say it's just me, but I've seen others that feel the same. However, I've also seen people who think differently, but as music is subjective that's not surprising.
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atomowyturysta talking about late 80s NY Hardcore Punk Movment Sick of it all
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not about ala Deftones early 2000s poser punk
and his overall idea is first version = Whitesnake blond dude second version = Henry Rollins
Not bad, but these days I prefer less screaming, more singing with my punk...
 
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However Punk Rock and Hard Core are musical genres that predate NIN (in your avatar, I guess that, for some reason,

So what? Classic 70s rock predates the lame early punk bands by only one decade but it’s much more musical, technically proficient and soulful than punk rock could ever hope to be. And I know what you’d say i.e. it’s not the point of punk, that the whole point of punk is the DIY mentality however crude you might sound. It’s just my right not like it which I exercise. A lot of bands I listen to are influenced by punk, like QOTSA and Kyuss are influenced by Blag Flag, but it’s not the sole influence. I doubt Kyuss would exist without Black Sabbath.

Without the very bands like SoiA, you are so very disguisted of just after 7 seconds, there wouldn't be NIN you so love, and Rage Against The Machine (the multimillionare corporate assholes who prise socialism because it pays so fucking good - yes, I hate the every bit of the fuckers)

NIИ is influenced by Ministry and Skinny Puppy more but whatever. As far RATM - who said you can’t use the advancements of the socio-economic formation that you despise in order to destroy it? Did capitalism ditch all that was gained during feudalism? Did feudalism ditch everything that Roman Empire has produced? So Johnny Silverhand should’ve gotten rid of all his body mods and go fully natural against those corporations. At least that’s what your “logic” dictates he should’ve done.
To sum up you absolutely can and should use capitalism’s perks which is what RATM did, by having a big platform to propagate your views you have higher odds of those views actually reaching your audience rather then by being uber duper underground where 2 and a half men know your band’s name.

Besides Zach De la Rocha, the one responsible for the lyrics and 99% of the message this band conveys, quit after 4 records probably because of realizing what the band has become. Maybe in his mind it stood for something different than just touring and making records, maybe music was his form of protest whereas Tom Morello thought different and had he have his way he would release a record every two years. It’s funny someone on Reddit cited Morello praising the Refused which to me is irrelevant. IMHO the only way Morello should make a message is via his ingenious guitar playing not by opening his mouth.

You can hate it, if you have reasons. Turning off after 7 seconds is not a reason, it shows you might be just ignorant, that's all.

How high is your horse? 7 seconds is all that it took for me to make an informed opinion that I just don’t like this band and this style of music and never will.


And: "That is constant barking devoid of soul, rhythm, passion and meaningful message" Seriously? After 7 seconds?

Yup. Pretty much.

And as you cleraly love "7 seconds", and I guess you're quite too young to know better, and clearly in need of some musical education about the 80s

Age is not the digits in your birth certificate, rather it’s a state of mind. You can be infantile in your 30s, 40s, 50s.
 
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No, I don't believe so. In my experience, the best punk, the best rock, the best metal, etc., all had soul, had that certain intangible thing that made you feel something, made you connect. This doesn't give me that, at all. I'd say it's just me, but I've seen others that feel the same. However, I've also seen people who think differently, but as music is subjective that's not surprising.

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That wasnt my point exactly. You cant compare real world to dystopian world. Real world isnt dystopia at least yet. Dystopian world should sound shallow, empty, soulless, forgotten etc. I think that second song, sounds kinda it, it sounds like they are slightly angry too, exactly what you could expect from dystopian world.

Yeah, shallow anger is the way to go for dystopian world, imho.
 
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I have read all of this thread till this point and I'm dissapointed on the change by CDPR, the 2018 version is more punk than than the 2019 version, sadly the 2019 version sounds more like the rap style of some rappers of screeching at their audience so that they could cover how awful their voice was, while the 2018 version do remind me of a lot of punk rock music from the 70's 80's and 90's.

Yeah the rapper version (2019) sound more raw and more rebellious for some people nowadays but i still think it's the wrong choice, this style is rap not punk rock, Yeah some punk bands scream at their audience, but they are not trying to make your ears bleed, well in any case the crux of this matter is the style of the song, and sadly when we talk about about styles the choices are plentiful.

I still think that the 2018 version is the better one, and in reality i hope that most songs follow that trend from the 2018 version and a lot less from the 2019 version, this is sadly the first criticism i have seen that is appropriate, Because it will be a massive disappointment if most songs follow the 2019 style, because that would make the soundtrack a pain, and sadly if you play a game that is distasteful in some ways you won't play that game for long, I know CDPR wants this game to be a success, it will be better if you put both versions into the game and then allow our main character to have some way of filtering songs, that way everybody will get whatever they want, in any case trying to ram through your musical choice in this issue i think its the wrong approach.
 
I have read all of this thread till this point and I'm dissapointed on the change by CDPR, the 2018 version is more punk than than the 2019 version, sadly the 2019 version sounds more like the rap style of some rappers of screeching at their audience so that they could cover how awful their voice was, while the 2018 version do remind me of a lot of punk rock music from the 70's 80's and 90's.

Yeah the rapper version (2019) sound more raw and more rebellious for some people nowadays but i still think it's the wrong choice, this style is rap not punk rock, Yeah some punk bands scream at their audience, but they are not trying to make your ears bleed, well in any case the crux of this matter is the style of the song, and sadly when we talk about about styles the choices are plentiful.

I still think that the 2018 version is the better one, and in reality i hope that most songs follow that trend from the 2018 version and a lot less from the 2019 version, this is sadly the first criticism i have seen that is appropriate, Because it will be a massive disappointment if most songs follow the 2019 style, because that would make the soundtrack a pain, and sadly if you play a game that is distasteful in some ways you won't play that game for long, I know CDPR wants this game to be a success, it will be better if you put both versions into the game and then allow our main character to have some way of filtering songs, that way everybody will get whatever they want, in any case trying to ram through your musical choice in this issue i think its the wrong approach.
Out of curiosity...how did you get "rap" out of the 2019 version? :shrug:
 
So what? Classic 70s rock predates the lame early punk bands by only one decade but it’s much more musical, technically proficient and soulful than punk rock could ever hope to be. And I know what you’d say i.e. it’s not the point of punk, that the whole point of punk is the DIY mentality however crude you might sound. It’s just my right not like it which I exercise. A lot of bands I listen to are influenced by punk, like QOTSA and Kyuss are influenced by Blag Flag, but it’s not the sole influence. I doubt Kyuss would exist without Black Sabbath.



NIИ is influenced by Ministry and Skinny Puppy more but whatever. As far RATM - who said you can’t use the advancements of the socio-economic formation that you despise in order to destroy it? Did capitalism ditch all that was gained during feudalism? Did feudalism ditch everything that Roman Empire has produced? So Johnny Silverhand should’ve gotten rid of all his body mods and go fully natural against those corporations. At least that’s what your “logic” dictates he should’ve done.
To sum up you absolutely can and should use capitalism’s perks which is what RATM did, by having a big platform to propagate your views you have higher odds of those views actually reaching your audience rather then by being uber duper underground where 2 and a half men know your band’s name.

Besides Zach De la Rocha, the one responsible for the lyrics and 99% of the message this band conveys, quit after 4 records probably because of realizing what the band has become. Maybe in his mind it stood for something different than just touring and making records, maybe music was his form of protest whereas Tom Morello thought different and had he have his way he would release a record every two years. It’s funny someone on Reddit cited Morello praising the Refused which to me is irrelevant. IMHO the only way Morello should make a message is via his ingenious guitar playing not by opening his mouth.



How high is your horse? 7 seconds is all that it took for me to make an informed opinion that I just don’t like this band and this style of music and never will.




Yup. Pretty much.



Age is not the digits in your birth certificate, rather it’s a state of mind. You can be infantile in your 30s, 40s, 50s.

OMG. That's an essay :) You could summarize: "I don't like certain kinds of music and I don't want to give tham a chance. Not now. Not ever :)
I just enjoy most kinds of music. To tell the truth, I don't like SoiA that much to spill blood over them :) They're just solid NYHC band. Can't like them if you hate that kind of sound. I don't judge, I like Michael Bolton :)
As for RATM, my beef with them is not of a musical nature, because in that regard they are a solid crew.
As for Kyuss. They would exist without Black Flag, BF, and some two thirds bands wouldn't exist without Black Sabbath, though :)
As for everything else, we must agree to disagree :)
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Out of curiosity...how did you get "rap" out of the 2019 version? :shrug:
And "Punk" in 2018? :)
 
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As for everything else, we must agree to disagree :)

Ah, the sound of maturity.

Music certainly is an odd one. I rather like some of Refused's stuff - Quite punchy. Not sure I'd call it my idea of punk, def, more metal, but enjoyable.

I did see Samurai as a chrome/hard rock band, mostly because they are described as a hard, fast rock band, but hey, how it goes.

I did like the original lyrics more, though. Seemed more Cyberpunk.

I think the old version must remain gone in order for the new vision to flourish. Artists are kind of funny about that. Some do B sides and Director's Cuts - others refuse.

That's art, I guess.
 
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