Ciri and the Elves and Geralds "friends" [Spoilers]

[Tharkey]

Ciri and the Elves and Geralds "friends" [Spoilers]

Hey,

few quick questions i need answers for:

1.) Do you guys think we will see Ciri in more of the coming games from CD Project? She said she visited a world where people fought from far away with steel houses and what not. (can't remember the exact quote) If she was some NPC in Cyperpunk 2077, that would just be Mafia 2 levels of awesome, the literal meaning and not the overused one, and I would totally loose my shit and buy the games twice xD

2.) When Ciri fought "The Cold" (I don't know the English name sorry) during the end sequence, did that mean that it was destroyed all together and thus she also saved the world of the elves from it?

3.) Do you also feel that a few more dialog options throughout the game could have improved the connection we feel Gerald has to his friends and love interest? I mean take Yen for example. Except for 3 encounters it doesn't really feel like they are together. All you can talk to her about between missions is the wild hunt history. It would have been nice to have 2 lines or something about recent events after main mission quests. Or just some warm conversation about how they love/like each other. i don't need to see sex scenes or anything but some implied warmth would have been nice. Or take Rittersporn (again no english name sorry) who is supposed to be Geralds best friend and except for that one mission they don't seem to talk too much.

4.) Totally not a story thing but why don't we have a Wolf School armor? Stupid ass cat school gets one but our own cool looking armor is outdated after the tutorial? xD. I would love my Gerald to look the way he does in the Menu! Could someone Mod me that armor with the stats of the cat schools?

 

[inanimate_object]

1. I think the entire reason for having that line of Ciri's dialogue was to foreshadow her appearance in Cyberpunk 2077.
2. While clumsily done, the game makes the White Frost and the White Light appear to be sentient beings rather than natural phenomenon. So I believe your interpretation is correct: Ciri saves every world from the inevitable White Frost.

 

[norealer]

Speaking of Ciri and the elves, there is something I don't really understand. During the quest where we sneak into Avallac'h's lab, there was a note about Avallac'h deciding to get Ciri's trust at all cost to whatever end and his female companion stating he actually "hated" Ciri (exaggeration but maybe with some truth in it, which he didn't really deny when Geralt confronted him after the quest). So naturally one would assume he was just playing the nice guy by mentoring and saving Ciri multiple times, and get to know her habit or weakness if you would (eg. before the final battle began there was a conversation about grounding Ciri on the shore for safety, Geralt said forbidding Ciri is counter-productive and eventually she would do what she wanted, and it seemed Avallac'h knew this as well. And I can't help but wondering when he said they must retreat and forbode Ciri to engage Caranthir, he actually meant the opposite.). So is Avallac'h's plan just to groom Ciri into self-sacrifice? He himself said Ciri didn't have full control of her power and witnessed when her power got out of control at Kaer Morhen, how come he would put so much faith in her success? If Ciri failed to stop the White Frost and died, it would end the Elder Blood line and doomed his people. I thought he was supposed to be the smart guy, the ultimate manipulator, yet there didn't seem to be a Plan B. Also I thought that he was just using Geralt and co. to kill Eredin and get himself a Elder Blood baby on the way, and most likely end up being the new king of Aen Elle.

P.S. Would some kind book readers help to clarify if Caranthir, Imlerith, Ge'els are actual book characters? I'm just awfully curious.

 

[inanimate_object]

Speaking of Ciri and the elves, there is something I don't really understand. During the quest where we sneak into Avallac'h's lab, there was a note about Avallac'h deciding to get Ciri's trust at all cost to whatever end and his female companion stating he actually "hated" Ciri (exaggeration but maybe with some truth in it, which he didn't really deny when Geralt confronted him after the quest). So naturally one would assume he was just playing the nice guy by mentoring and saving Ciri multiple times, and get to know her habit or weakness if you would (eg. before the final battle began there was a conversation about grounding Ciri on the shore for safety, Geralt said forbidding Ciri is counter-productive and eventually she would do what she wanted, and it seemed Avallac'h knew this as well. And I can't help but wondering when he said they must retreat and forbode Ciri to engage Caranthir, he actually meant the opposite.). So is Avallac'h's plan just to grooming Ciri into self-sacrifice? He himself said Ciri didn't have full control of her power and witnessed when her power got out of control at Kaer Morhen, how come he would put so much faith in her success? If Ciri failed to stop the White Frost and died, it would end the Elder Blood line and doomed his people. I though he was supposed to be the smart guy, the ultimate manipulator, yet there didn't seem to be a Plan B. Here I thought he was just using Geralt and co. to kill Eredin and get himself a Elder Blood baby on the way, and most likely end up being the new king of Aen Elle.

P.S. Would some kind book readers help to clarify if Caranthir, Imlerith, Ge'els are actual book characters? I'm just awfully curious.

I do not recall any elves Caranthir, Imlerith or Ge'els in the novels. And yes, it is my impression that everything Avallac' did was to put Ciri in a situation where she had to give her life to end the White Frost.

 

[Lesota]

Yes, he needed Ciri to stop white frost, he hated her because, I think, she remind him Lara and Lara is VERY sensitive topic to him, according the books. About Plan B - just take her and force her open portal to the new world as Eredin wanted? But really, if you think about it, what's the point? It'll give you just a little more time, the white frost will come to the new world too, and to the next one and so on. It's just a running from inevitable.

 

[Tharkey]

I didn't think he meant her to sacrifice herself at all! When Gerald said she has do make her own decision during that scene on the peer right before embarking on the ship to meet the wild hunt Avalalac'h said something like "I hope so" and gerald asks what he means and Avallac'h doesn't answer. In retrospect I took that to mean that he wants her to believe in herself and defeat the white frost. Just as she did if you encouraged her enough ("best ending"). The elvish girl in his lab was just jealous I think cuz he spend so much time with her. Gerald even said " you don't really believe her, she is clearly ... personally invested".
On that note though, why is ciri such a brat? Gerald always has to encourage her to believe in herself and she always acts kinda like a teenager. Isn't she supposed to be strong minded? I can't quite explain why she is/acts the way she does. Just felt weird to me.

 

[Lesota]

On that note though, why is ciri such a brat? Gerald always has to encourage her to believe in herself and she always acts kinda like a teenager. Isn't she supposed to be strong minded? I can't quite explain why she is/acts the way she does. Just felt weird to me.

Bad, like really bad childhood.

 

[Tharkey]

Ahh, mhh ok I guess. Thank you very much.

 

[jockmick]

On that note though, why is ciri such a brat? Gerald always has to encourage her to believe in herself and she always acts kinda like a teenager. Isn't she supposed to be strong minded? I can't quite explain why she is/acts the way she does. Just felt weird to me.

Her parents died when she was very little and her grandmother didn't exactly show a lot of love. She had some happy years on Skellige when she was young. But, then of course, the massacre of Cintra happened when she was 11, and she witnessed the death of everyone that had been around her growing up. And she was a fugitive for half a year before Geralt found her. And then during her teens she experienced some awful stuff, and I really mean some awful shit. I don't think I've ever read any book that has had a character with such a tragic and sorrowful life as Ciri.

 

[norealer]

While clumsily done, the game makes the White Frost and the White Light appear to be sentient beings rather than natural phenomenon.

What do you mean? Like the White Walkers from Game of Thrones? I never got that impression from the game. I thought the White Frost was just a climate change which would cause the ice age like in OUR real world and was very confused about how someone or the elder blood could defeat "climate". Isn't the Elder Blood all about travelling between time and space? How does it defeat a climate change?

Oh, also, is your username a reference to the film "In Bruges", it has a glorious swearing scene about "inanimate object". : )

 

[jockmick]

I thought the White Frost was just a climate change which would cause the ice age like in OUR real world

That is exactly what it is.

 

[Tharkey]

Oh, I always thought of the white frost as like a conquering power that moves from world to world to "conquer" and destroy them. Think galactus, without the hunger and needing it to survive part. A climate change seems too sciency to me for a witcher game. After all that would include physics and the sun and what not. Some magical beast or out of control magic thingy or spell seemed more probable and appealing to me. But I don't know.

 

[Germanicanus]

Speaking of Ciri and the elves, there is something I don't really understand. During the quest where we sneak into Avallac'h's lab, there was a note about Avallac'h deciding to get Ciri's trust at all cost to whatever end and his female companion stating he actually "hated" Ciri (exaggeration but maybe with some truth in it, which he didn't really deny when Geralt confronted him after the quest). So naturally one would assume he was just playing the nice guy by mentoring and saving Ciri multiple times, and get to know her habit or weakness if you would (eg. before the final battle began there was a conversation about grounding Ciri on the shore for safety, Geralt said forbidding Ciri is counter-productive and eventually she would do what she wanted, and it seemed Avallac'h knew this as well. And I can't help but wondering when he said they must retreat and forbode Ciri to engage Caranthir, he actually meant the opposite.). So is Avallac'h's plan just to groom Ciri into self-sacrifice?

I get that impression as well. He was using her from the beginning, knowing she has a chronic hero syndrome and will pull off a heroic sacrifice rather than escape to save her own skin.

Yes, he needed Ciri to stop white frost, he hated her because, I think, she remind him Lara and Lara is VERY sensitive topic to him, according the books..

FYI, he was in love with Lara, who in turn committed the biggest treason possible by falling for a human male and giving birth to a hybrid child, consequently putting the end to the sages plan, as the genes of her offspring were only valuable to them if they remained 100% elven. Think of it as of twisted Beren/Luthien version.

 

[Lesota]

FYI, he was in love with Lara, who in turn committed the biggest treason possible by falling for a human male and giving birth to a hybrid child, consequently putting the end to the sages plan, as the genes of her offspring were only valuable to them if they remained 100% elven. Think of it as of twisted Beren/Luthien version.

Lara was supposed to marry Avallac'h but "betrayed" him. Do you think seeing a result of this betrayal is very nice for him? Ciri is constant reminder for him that Lara chose another.

 

[inanimate_object]

What do you mean? Like the White Walkers from Game of Thrones? I never got that impression from the game. I thought the White Frost was just a climate change which would cause the ice age like in OUR real world and was very confused about how someone or the elder blood could defeat "climate". Isn't the Elder Blood all about travelling between time and space? How does it defeat a climate change?

Oh, also, is your username a reference to the film "In Bruges", it has a glorious swearing scene about "inanimate object". : )

Not as in a humanoid or evil mastermind, but something with consciousness which slowly kills all worlds. As far as how Ciri can fight the weather, your guess is as good as mine. Clearly the writers didn't know what they were doing either as they left "Ciri's riveting struggle against climate change" to your imagination. Also you have good taste in movies

 

[Tharkey]

maybe she went to it's home world and shouted really loudly.

 

[Lesota]

Not as in a humanoid or evil mastermind, but something with consciousness which slowly kills all worlds. As far as how Ciri can fight the weather, your guess is as good as mine. Clearly the writers didn't know what they were doing either as they left "Ciri's riveting struggle against climate change" to your imagination. Also you have good taste in movies

I thinks it's just a weather thing from one world which is slowly spreading to others. Ciri can open portals to another worlds, I think she can close them too. So I guess she just had to close "portal" or some sort of connections to the original white frost world so It'll stay only in one world and don't spread.

 

[jockmick]

The following is from the fan translation of The Tower of the Swallow. Hopefully it will give all of you some information about the White Frost. And it is pretty clear that it is a natural phenomenon.

Spoiler

'Everything was foretold,’ the elf did not look at him, but at a marble column covered in a delicate gossamer relief, ‘Your arrival, war, the shedding of human and elven blood. The rise of your race, the decline of ours. The struggle between the rulers of the North and the South. The Ruler of the South will rise against the kings of the North and his troops will fill their countries like a flood and the nations will be destroyed. So begins the destruction of the world. Do you remember the Aen Ithlinnespeath, witcher? Whoever is far away, will die from the plague – whoever is near, will die by the sword, whoever forbids, will die of hunger, whoever survives, will be lost in the cold… Because Tedd Deireadh comes – The End of Time, The Time of the Sword and Axe, The Time of Contempt, The Time of White Chill and the White Light, The Time of the Wolf’s Blizzard…’

‘Poetry.’

‘Would you prefer to hear it less poetic? As a result of the changes to the angle of the sun, the earth will shift the boundaries of eternal ice far to the south. Even these mountains will be overwhelmed by a continental glacier. Everything will be covered in snow. And winter will reign.’

‘We’ll wear warm pants,’ Geralt without emotion, ‘fur coats and hats over our ears.’

‘You took the word right out of my mouth,’ said the elf. ‘And those in these pants and hats will survive and would one day return here, to dig holes and rummage in the cave to plunder and steal. The prophecy of Ithlinne does not mention it, but I know it. You cannot exterminate cockroaches and humans will always have at least one prolific pair. As for us, the elves, the prophecy speaks clearly, those who follow the Swallow will survive. The Swallow is a symbol of spring, it is the saviour, the one that opens the forbidden door, to show us the way to our salvation. It will allow the rebirth of the world. The Swallow, the Child of the Elder Blood.’

‘That means Ciri,’ Geralt could not resist. ‘Or her child? How? And why?’

It seemed that Avallac’h had not heard.

‘The Swallow of the Elder Blood,’ he repeated thoughtfully. ‘From her blood. Behold.’

 

[Lesota]

The following is from the fan translation of The Tower of the Swallow. Hopefully it will give all of you some information about the White Frost. And it is pretty clear that it is a natural phenomenon.

Yea, but in the game you can read elfs report about their mages holding the white frost and preventing it from spreading in their world. I don't think they change the angle of the sun back.

 

[jockmick]

Yea, but in the game you can read elfs report about their mages holding the white frost and preventing it from spreading in their world. I don't think they change the angle of the sun back.

I think they are capable of holding the White Frost back for a time, but not infinitely, that is why they need Ciri.And as Avallac'h says in the book spoiler above, they want to use Ciri or Ciri's child to open a portal so they can leave their doomed world. And that is also what Eredin seems to want to do in TW3, although he would likely bring chaos to those worlds. But, Avallac'h seems to want to stop it altogether in TW3. I don't really know how Ciri's power is supposed to stop it, though. Sapkowski is rather vague, deliberately I suppose, regarding the White Frost and Ithlinne's prophecy. Either, people believe it will happen or that it is just "elven hogwash".