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Ciri as the 'Next Geralt': Yay or Nay?

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LiarOnElmstreet

Rookie
#61
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
Alright, well the makers disagrees with you

"The Witcher universe is a very big place with a lot of NPCs, a lot of characters, a lot of places we haven't shown yet. So, we might return to it at some point…but we think that this is a good place to let Geralt enjoy his retirement..."
-senior writer Jakub Szamałek
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Okay then. Doesn't make it worse or better, and it still is my opinion, as was asked for by OP. But thank you for pointing that out to me.
 
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LiarOnElmstreet

Rookie
#62
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
Hmm?

How exactly are you disagreeing with the fact that this is the end of Geralt's story?
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Obviously we have a little misunderstanding here. I do know that this is the ending of Geralts story. But for me that should put an end to the franchise. So I disagree with the wishes of others for any continuation. While I know that it is perfectly okay for others to wish for them and CDPRs right to "milk that cow until it's dry". I simply don't like it.
 
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smilydude13

Rookie
#63
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
How is it a spinoff or milking?

Cirilla was as important as Geralt in the books, what's wrong with seeing more of her story expanded and adapted into her own game? CDPR are smart people, i'm sure they could find a way to deal with balance issues.
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As important from what perspective? She's a major character, but I always viewed her as a major supporting character to Geralt who has a lot more developed relationships and character than she does, not really worth much beyond that. I only cared about her chapters because I cared about Geralt. I wouldn't read a book entirely about her because out of that context... I just kind find her boring. That said, I wouldn't want CDPR using her as the main protagonist since I find their iteration of her character to be terribly over idealized without any of the character flaws or development she received in the books. As well as knowing that any problem she has could easily be deus ex machinad away.
 
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Jou05

Rookie
#64
Jul 7, 2015
Nay
She is a good (if a bit overrated) character but I don't think she can carry a game
She is way too OP and not even a Witcher
 
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LiarOnElmstreet

Rookie
#65
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
Continuing the franchise makes sense both from a business and customer satisfaction standpoint, and they obviously have expressed passion for the Witcher universe and want to expand on it.

I'm not seeing what's wrong with that.

If you want to talk about "cow milking" then talk about yearly releases, not large, complex RPG games coming out every 4 years.
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As I said it is perfectly okay for you to see it like that, but in my opinion they should move on. The Story is told.

As before. We disagree.
 
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smilydude13

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#66
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
Continuing the franchise makes sense both from a business and customer satisfaction standpoint, and they obviously have expressed passion for the Witcher universe and want to expand on it.

I'm not seeing what's wrong with that.

If you want to talk about "cow milking" then talk about yearly releases, not large, complex RPG games coming out every 4 years.
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Maybe it makes sense from a business perspective, but it's debatable whether or not it makes sense from a customer perspective, since many customers (including myself) would be against a tacked on continuation. There's simply nowhere for the story to turn at this point, all the enemies are defeated, Ciri killed the physical manifestation of all entropy across the multiverse somehow, what could a Witcher 4 be about? Ciri being a self-styled Witcher when her only Witcher-like abilities are being able to kill things with a sword? Or maybe God himself shows up and everything is hopeless until Geralt pulls an android 17 (or vesemir...) and gets jobbed/dies to provoke Ciri's inevitable powerup to save everything, again. No thanks, she's too OP, there would be no prep work, it would only be fan fiction tier writing at this point.

The only continuation of the franchise I could see not being terrible would be a prequel of some sort, either as Geralt or if they really want to shift characters for some god forsaken reason, Vesemir in the Witcher hay day.
 
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GhostofAnakin

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#67
Jul 7, 2015
FieryPhoenix7 said:
Just thinking out loud here. Now that Geralt's story in this universe has come to an end, eyes are on Ciri as the next potential star of the show. Regardless of the outcome of The Witcher 3's conclusion, what would you guys say to Ciri becoming the new protagonist of the series from now onwards?

Suppose after Cyperpunk CDPR releases a Witcher game that takes place after TW3 and features Ciri as the protagonist. Would that be fine with you? Why or why not?

Discuss. I know I would love that, personally. Ciri was amazing in the game.
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No, no, no, no and an emphatic no.

I don't think I'd even be interested in a game if Ciri was the new protagonist. Her role in TW3 was fine, but that's it.
 
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Scholdarr.452

Banned
#68
Jul 7, 2015
TorZireael said:
While s game about Yennefer would be interesting, it would literally be a completely different kind of game, no more sword or melee combat, just magic spells.
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Well, would that be a bad thing after all? Why making another game with basically the same gameplay? ;)

And mages can use weapons in the witcher world as well. Vilgefortz was not just the best mage, but also the best (magically implied) melee fighter...
 
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sLIMj87d

Rookie
#69
Jul 7, 2015
Again, I think Lambert is a great character to base an expansion on. He's far from perfect and has a lot of flaws that can be plot devices.

I'd start the story off with Lambert waking up in his underwear locked up being transported to prison in a carousel. He's hung over and doesn't remember anything besides being betrayed and mind controlled by Keira Metz (or he is lead to believe so). There are other prisoners, and this is where he'd meet a young chubby teenager who helps him escape. Later, the teenager continues ton follow Lambert around because he wants to become a witcher like Lambert. In the game, you'd mostly leave him in towns but traveling around he'd be like Vesimir by your side but he'll be the one to shoot crossbows and throw bombs for you. I guess for mechanics sake you can switch controls over to him just in case he gets stuck. Essentially, he's like a squire holding onto gear for Lambert to use in battle.

I think it would be funny and have a lot of potential. Lambert would bond with this squire who would ultimately sacrifice his life to save Lambert near the end.

Keira Metz will be confronted and she either bad, good or was being manipulated herself.

This will feel like a witcher game,and with Lambert'a personality being so different from Geralt's, it would be refreshing. Maybe as some point you run into Geralt, but for sure you'don't run into Eskel.
 
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saladin1701

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#70
Jul 7, 2015
smilydude13 said:
Maybe it makes sense from a business perspective, but it's debatable whether or not it makes sense from a customer perspective, since many customers (including myself) would be against a tacked on continuation. There's simply nowhere for the story to turn at this point, all the enemies are defeated, Ciri killed the physical manifestation of all entropy across the multiverse somehow, what could a Witcher 4 be about? Ciri being a self-styled Witcher when her only Witcher-like abilities are being able to kill things with a sword? Or maybe God himself shows up and everything is hopeless until Geralt pulls an android 17 (or vesemir...) and gets jobbed/dies to provoke Ciri's inevitable powerup to save everything, again. No thanks, she's too OP, there would be no prep work, it would only be fan fiction tier writing at this point.

The only continuation of the franchise I could see not being terrible would be a prequel of some sort, either as Geralt or if they really want to shift characters for some god forsaken reason, Vesemir in the Witcher hay day.
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You're forgetting the potential attraction to new comers another game with a fresh protagonist would have. The Witcher 3 whilst as near to a perfect game as I've seen, still suffers from it being the third in the franchise. The same applied to Mass Effect 3 so Bioware have gone with an entirely new setting with an entirely new protagonist. That's upset a vast majority of fans but makes sense commercially because it attracts a new audience. The same would apply to a The Witcher 4.
 
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Frybread

Rookie
#71
Jul 7, 2015
Part of me likes the idea while another part thinks it wouldn't work. First, being a mutant, Geralt has all sorts of ways to tackle problems - swords, Signs, mutagens, potions, etc. Ciri has two or three abilities. The gameplay would just be us spamming her Blink ability. Also, where would the story go from the end of TW3? The White Frost and Wild Hunt are defeated. The third Northern War has ended. I guess CDPR could create a new major threat but it would feel forced, IMO. There is the War of the Two Unicorns, according to Ithlinne's Prophecy, which sounds like a civil war or war for succession in Kaedwen, but that takes place 37 years in the future.
 
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Scholdarr.452

Banned
#72
Jul 7, 2015
Frybread said:
Part of me likes the idea while another part thinks it wouldn't work. First, being a mutant, Geralt has all sorts of ways to tackle problems - swords, Signs, mutagens, potions, etc. Ciri has two or three abilities. The gameplay would just be us spamming her Blink ability. Also, where would the story go from the end of TW3? The White Frost and Wild Hunt are defeated. The third Northern War has ended. I guess CDPR could create a new major threat but it would feel forced, IMO. There is the War of the Two Unicorns, according to Ithlinne's Prophecy, which sounds like a civil war or war for succession in Kaedwen, but that takes place 37 years in the future.
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Or - like the name literally suggests - a war with unicorns. ;)
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#73
Jul 7, 2015
Ciri? Nay. It would really look like milking the novels too much. They finished the story of Geralt and Ciri, tied all loose ends, and if they decide to make a new game in TW universe, they should move on and make it completely their own.
Ciri has at least three endings, and I hate them picking one as canonical and going from there. People were all riled up about a default end state of TW2, with no Saskia, no Vergen, etc, but in TW3 it can be at least somewhat explained. Picking one of Ciri's ending just because people want to see more of her is not something I would want to see.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#74
Jul 7, 2015
smilydude13 said:
Maybe it makes sense from a business perspective, but it's debatable whether or not it makes sense from a customer perspective, since many customers (including myself) would be against a tacked on continuation.
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From the forums, many many more fans are for a sequel.

There's simply nowhere for the story to turn at this point, all the enemies are defeated, Ciri killed the physical manifestation of all entropy across the multiverse somehow, what could a Witcher 4 be about?
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Are you Michael Bay? Must everything be bigger, badder, with more explosions? If not, then the next enemies can and should be something more personal.

Suggested possible enemies off the top of my head:

Philippa Eilhart
Emperor Emhyr (who would have faked his death in an assassination ending)
Avallach
The Last Crone
The Disciples of Vilgefortz attempting to resurrect their master
The new Aen Elle monarch
The Order of the Flaming Rose
Witchers of the Cat School

Or, god forbid, they actually come up with a new enemy.

Possible Locations:

Nilfgaard
Cintra
Occupied Temeria by Nilfgaard or Nilfgaard supporting Temerians
Zerkania
Rivia
Lyria
Kovir

Ciri being a self-styled Witcher when her only Witcher-like abilities are being able to kill things with a sword?
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Ciri's abilties:

* Replace Signs with Slow Time, Extra-Hard via Flash Step attack, Teleport Behind, and Freeze Enemy
* Ciri can make Sorceress Potions, Amulets, and Oils just fine
* Yes, swordsmanship

Or maybe God himself shows up and everything is hopeless until Geralt pulls an android 17 (or vesemir...) and gets jobbed/dies to provoke Ciri's inevitable powerup to save everything, again.
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Given the Last Crone has Vesmir's amulet, I assumed we'd see Vesemir's Ghost summoned with it at some point. Perhaps giving her a weapon against Ciri.

No thanks, she's too OP, there would be no prep work, it would only be fan fiction tier writing at this point.
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Geralt is the greatest swordsman in the world and also a superhuman mutant yet gets his ass kicked by Bandits. Ciri can teleport and is the 2nd greatest swordsman in the world so she should be fine.

The only continuation of the franchise I could see not being terrible would be a prequel of some sort, either as Geralt or if they really want to shift characters for some god forsaken reason, Vesemir in the Witcher hay day.
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Geralts story is done but I wouldn't mind him having a supporting role in the next Ciri game.

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Plotlines for a Ciri game off the top of my head

* Ciri is being hunted by the political enemies of Emperor Emhyr to destroy his bloodline.

* Emperor Emhyr is actually evil (surprise!) and wants to take her child to rule the Empire in her place w/ her as his puppet.

* Philippa Eilhart wants to take control of Ciri's mind to rule the Empire behind the scenes like Saskia.

* The Prophecy of her child ruling the world is still unfulfilled so people still want to force them to marry her.

* The Third Nilfgaard War is not done just because the tide is done and Ciri can try to take over.

* Cintran Nationalists want to restore Ciri to the throne of Cintra, independent from Nilfgaard and lead a revolution against them.

* The Lodge of Sorceresses want to restore Ciri's magical abilities so she can become a proper sorceress.

* The Cat School has been hired to hunt down and kill Ciri. They consider her claim to be a Witcher insulting to their order.

* The Last Crone wants revenge for her sister.

* Avallach has decided that he is going to use Ciri to become ruler of the Aen Sidhe.

* Lara Dorren's ghost has been placed in the body of a young white-haired woman and placed on the throne of Nilfgaard as a Fake Ciri. She orders the destruction of Ciri. It's at the hands of the Disciples of Vilgefortz who are secretly controlling her ancestors' mind.

* The Order of the Flaming Rose is seeking out Ciri because they believe her child is the destined successor to Jacques Aldersberg and their leader has an insane desire to impregnate her. They refuse to believe the White Frost is defeated.

* The Eternal Fire has declared Ciri to be their version of the Anti-Christ and started a hunt throughout the land for all girls vaguely matching her description.

* Anais is now a teenager and has decided to lead a revolution against Regent Roche in Temeria. Ciri can help her or fight her.

* A rabidly racist Imperial Marshal has decided he is going to destroy all nonhumans in the kingdom and Ciri must stop him.
 
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Willowhugger

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#75
Jul 7, 2015
vivaxardas2015 said:
Ciri? Nay. It would really look like milking the novels too much. They finished the story of Geralt and Ciri, tied all loose ends, and if they decide to make a new game in TW universe, they should move on and make it completely their own.
Ciri has at least three endings, and I hate them picking one as canonical and going from there. People were all riled up about a default end state of TW2, with no Saskia, no Vergen, etc, but in TW3 it can be at least somewhat explained. Picking one of Ciri's ending just because people want to see more of her is not something I would want to see.
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It's an easy fix, really.

*Ciri wakes up in a bed with a bandage on her head*

Peasant Woman:
"How did you get here?"

Ciri:

* "I was....dead. I fought the White Frost but...lost."
* "I was on my way to Nilfgaard to be crowned Empress.'
* "I'm a Witcher."
* "I don't remember." (Default)
 
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vivaxardas2015

Rookie
#76
Jul 7, 2015
Willowhugger said:
It's an easy fix, really.

*Ciri wakes up in a bed with a bandage on her head*

Peasant Woman:
"How did you get here?"

Ciri:

* "I was....dead. I fought the White Frost but...lost."
* "I was on my way to Nilfgaard to be crowned Empress.'
* "I'm a Witcher."
* "I don't remember." (Default)
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Aaah, a famous amnesia! Gothic, Gothic 2, Witcher 1-2, and possibly Witcher 4... Well, it does give reasons why she will have to learn everything, from tying her shoes to using a toilet, anew. In this case I do hope players will get over their "amnesia again!" reaction fast.
 
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Willowhugger

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#77
Jul 7, 2015
vivaxardas2015 said:
Aaah, a famous amnesia! Gothic, Gothic 2, Witcher 1-2, and possibly Witcher 4... Well, it does give reasons why she will have to learn everything, from tying her shoes to using a toilet, anew. In this case I do hope players will get over their "amnesia again!" reaction fast.
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Eh, I'd choose "I'm a Witcher."

The one benefit of not showing Ciri becoming Empress is that it allows the developers to say she never got there and the events of Witcher 4 to happen.

All the other endings allow Ciri to have either Teleported away from being killed (only to go into a coma or whatever) or get ambushed, allowing the game to proceed.

Nothing prevents all three endings from converging is what I'm saying.
 
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FieryPhoenix7

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#78
Jul 7, 2015
vivaxardas2015 said:
Aaah, a famous amnesia! Gothic, Gothic 2, Witcher 1-2, and possibly Witcher 4... Well, it does give reasons why she will have to learn everything, from tying her shoes to using a toilet, anew. In this case I do hope players will get over their "amnesia again!" reaction fast.
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If CDPR ever makes a Ciri spinoff/expansion, that is pretty much how I expect them to approach it given the endings of the game. And I'm honestly okay with that.
 
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Obb42

Rookie
#79
Jul 7, 2015
I'd love a GTA 5 style system where you have three playable Witchers from the schools of the Cat, Griffin and Bear.
 
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smilydude13

Rookie
#80
Jul 7, 2015
saladin1701 said:
You're forgetting the potential attraction to new comers another game with a fresh protagonist would have. The Witcher 3 whilst as near to a perfect game as I've seen, still suffers from it being the third in the franchise. The same applied to Mass Effect 3 so Bioware have gone with an entirely new setting with an entirely new protagonist. That's upset a vast majority of fans but makes sense commercially because it attracts a new audience. The same would apply to a The Witcher 4.
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Ciri isn't a new protagonist, and it wouldn't be a different world, though. She has quite a lot of history behind her, and she's not as immediately appealing as Geralt is from a personality perspective. Mass Effect 3 didn't really switch because of the appeal of a new, fresh universe, at least I don't think so. It switched because they wrote themselves into an inescapable corner and basically ruined their entire setting beyond repair, but instead of EA letting the franchise rest, the need to milk it is still there. So I'm not interested in that approach. Again, it can make sense commercially, but if CDPR did that the franchise would be dead to me. I play The Witcher because of generally strong writing, which I feel came to a screeching halt whenever CDPR did something Ciri related. An entire sequel with all of the necessary writing stretches to make even a little bit plausible in the first place based around her holds no appeal to me, and I feel like it doesn't hold a lot of appeal to other long-time fans either.
 
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