The Crones really sucked. I think they were actually throwing poo at my screen or something. Almost amazing how Ciri managed to fuck that up.
In any case my scouter tells me that if Ciri is Jesus Goku then Geralt should be considered Raptor Jesus Super Sayajin level 3.
Sounds totally overpowered for any future Witcher games if you ask me, maybe that's why they're retiring him.
Of course they are. Because there is no point for the Wild Hunt to party with the crones if they are just a trio of hags imo. That's called "constructed", opposed to proper narrative evolution based on logic and consistency...
Given Ciri's power is teleportation, I assumed she teleported the White Frost into a sun or black hole or something. Ridiculous, yes, but lots of stories have heroes do something they can't ever do again.
Geralt: " Imlerith's a bigger threat than the Crones. I should face him. "
Ciri: " I'm no worse a fighter than you. "
Geralt: " We both know that's not true."
Who kills Imlerith?
Who gets to fight the weaker enemy, the Crones , lets one of them escape and even manages to lose her witcher amulett in the process?
Who loses the fight against Caranthir and has to run away?
Who kills Caranthir?
Who kills Eredin right after that?
You want to get into inconsistencies? How about when Geralt says that the Crones are basically certain death? Oh, wait, nevermind. Go on ahead, Ciri. Still, that's some weird dialogue. I'm talking actions here. Show me when Geralt kills entropy and one shots dozens of red riders while glowing and get back to me.
Sometimes they are just a trio of hags, then they are the secret rulers of Velen, then they are the accomplices of the Wild Hunt, then they are whatever...
All hail narrative consistency...
Described where in this way?
Avallac'h told Geralt that the White Frost sooner or later consumes every planet. He never said that the White Frost travels from one planet to the other, especially not through portals.
The Frost is a natural phenomenon and beyond that, a principle, an idea.
It's described that way in some random book that is basically just throwing theories around, as far as I remember. In any case, for being the Death of All Worlds, Ciri certainly does dispose of it rather easily. He's taking large leaps of logic about what it is, though. Can't believe people are saying that Geralt is more overpowered, when he's basically just a swordsman and hasn't killed the literal apocalypse. The lengths that people will go to make excuses for Ciri being a good choice of a protagonist, smh
No, it's not presented as a snowstorm monster. It's presented as some sort of Force that will kill everything eventually, aka the literal apocalypse, end of times etc. Even Ciri talks about it like that.
Ciri beating it is good but it's not like that will spare her from being stabbed to death.
Who knows? With how ridiculous CDPR's writing has gotten regarding her, she could just teleport brand new flesh into her stabby holes. Or rewind time, lady of space and time, remember? Oh boy! We haven't even begun to go down the time avenue.
I guess I'm saying that I want to play Ciri the character and her powers don't matter to me.
Well, unfortunately for you, her character is attached to horrible mary sue deus ex machina powers that would make any plot utterly pointless. Only way to fix that is for them to retcon TW3, but even then, her book powers of just being able to gtfo would still break most plots. That said, even if they somehow managed to make it all make sense, I personally wouldn't go for it since I find her character to be one of the least interesting, least complex, and most insipid original characters (she is basically entirely new at this point for me, practically no relation to the previous Ciri) they've written. Seems like she was purposefully designed to cater to the waifu/daughterfu crowd. Maybe I'm just a sour puss, enjoy what you want, but I've seen other people express similar feelings. Not to mention, her story is kind of Geralt's story since they're literally bound by destiny. If they're truly done with Geralt, they should be done with Ciri.
No, it's not presented as a snowstorm monster. It's presented as some sort of Force that will kill everything eventually, aka the literal apocalypse, end of times etc. Even Ciri talks about it like that.
It's presented as a giant snowstorm which freezes planets and kills all life on them as we see in one of the worlds we visit. It's not the Nothing from the Neverending Story but a BIG ASS SNOWSTORM.
Which is still enough to kill planets and move from planet to planet.
Bad enough but it seems like just a different sort of monster to me, albeit a world killer.
I'd say yes! she is a interesting character. Would have liked to have more gameplay of her in TW3, but I understand why CDPR didn't go overkill with her screen time. So I'm up for a Ciri sequel.
Another Option is to expand on what Eskel said, (we might want to re think taking in new apprentices). Eskal returns to Ker Morhan to Train new witchers. It would be great to create your own Witcher but I don't see how that would work story wise.
This topic ends up in a hugely emotional debate every time
Summing this up, I think it's fully possible for Ciri to appear in a future game as heroine, IF they tone down her abilities - which wouldn't be difficult. Strictly speaking, a single line would suffice: "Destroying the white frost consumed most of my power. I'm not as strong as before". Or we play OP Ciri in the tutorial/prologue who then takes a good beating in the opening cutscene.
Don't forget that Geralt also went from "dragon-slaying without help or preparation" to "seriously threatened by three drowners" between W2 and W3. Not to forget the unexplained loss of his epic equipment.
The more important thing is:
What does the dev team want to do? What's their personal - possibly illogical - vision? What would they consider fun to develop?
Here's an interview with Dominic Monnier, senior gameplay designer, from January 2015 (The statement about the end of the franchise was later revoked, don't worry):
That led me to ask about the new addition, Ciri. In the books, Ciri is a protege of Geralt, a sort of Witcher-in-Training. What sets her apart from Geralt, though, is that Geralt has special abilities resulting from mutation and only very minor control of magic.
“In the books, you find out Ciri was meant to be a sorceress, so that’s influenced her combat style. She’ll still be using a sword, but she’s a lot more magical, she’s able to pull off these mad moves; it’s really beautiful. Even a simple dash is very satisfying.”
“Ciri’s gameplay,” he said, “is her. It’s fast, she’s a bit weaker, but she’s just as deadly and has these really cool spells. It’s very different.” With that said, if you’re used to Geralt’s combat, picking up Ciri shouldn’t take but a few seconds.
Ciri’s appearance was caused, in part, by the team’s decision to close up the series with this game.
“[The Witcher 3] is the last of everything,” Monnier said. People go back and forth on messageboards and such about whether this is the last Witcher game or the last game starring Geralt, but Monnier makes it clear: no more Witcher games after this one.
“I was on [the Witcher subreddit] and someone mentioned we could do a full Ciri game. I’d love to do that. I don’t know, we have no plans to do it. People think we’re going to use her, that we’re using Wild Hunt as an intro to her,” he said. “It makes sense, I thought, actually it’s a good idea. But we wanted to show her because it’s the last game, it’s our last chance.”
“We’d never say never, though,” he said, leaving a last, thin string of hope for us.
The sentence says nothing actually, apart from the fact that intentions shift. Her OP-ness could come from a time when they wanted this game to be the grand final. The reception and success of the game might change a lot, as might fan feedback.
In the end, it will be a question of preference in the dev team (Would they like Ciri as heroine?) and market considerations (How risky is a female protagonist? Or could it even be an unique selling point?). Smaller inconsistencies won't keep them from doing anything. They are unavoidable if you build new content on existing foundations.
Totally focusing on minor holes in the story/logic is something we hardcore fans do. The devs haven't been especially shy regarding retcons in the past, and the average customer wouldn't ever find out.
no, better they do a completelely different story with another witcher, or maybe make young Geralt adventures or a Vesemir story when he was young. No Ciri though.
Well, if CDPR was going to play it "safe" and not artistically, then the ideal way to do it would be a Ciri and Geralt game like Wild Hunt but with even balance between the sexes.
Act I would be Geralt, Act II would be Ciri, Act III would be a mixture.
Something like that.
Alternatively, again, they could just do smaller games with less financial risk and commitment.
It doesn't make any sense. The Aen Elle hate all other races and the connection between them and the crones seems to be superficial at best. This whole scene with the sabbath is constructed in order to enable some eye candy and a boss fight.
It's presented as a giant snowstorm which freezes planets and kills all life on them as we see in one of the worlds we visit. It's not the Nothing from the Neverending Story but a BIG ASS SNOWSTORM.
Which is still enough to kill planets and move from planet to planet.
Bad enough but it seems like just a different sort of monster to me, albeit a world killer.
Well, if CDPR was going to play it "safe" and not artistically, then the ideal way to do it would be a Ciri and Geralt game like Wild Hunt but with even balance between the sexes.
Act I would be Geralt, Act II would be Ciri, Act III would be a mixture.
Something like that.
Alternatively, again, they could just do smaller games with less financial risk and commitment.
Alternatively, they could just stop butchering the franchise and do something else. Like Cyberpunk. Or their own IP with all the freedom (and work) that comes with it...
It doesn't make any sense. The Aen Elle hate all other races and the connection between them and the crones seems to be superficial at best. This whole scene with the sabbath is constructed in order to enable some eye candy and a boss fight.
Alternatively, they could just stop butchering the franchise and do something else. Like Cyberpunk. Or their own IP with all the freedom (and work) that comes with it...
It's the taks of the narrator to give proper context to the plot and to create believable situtions without enough information for the reader/player/watcher to understand the situation and to let them appear as natural evolutions of the plotline. That's not the case here.
You making all kinds of theories to why that COULD be doesn't change that. Every plot hole or inconsistency could be filled by some weird theory. That doesn't mean that it makes sense to everyone or that the material that is there is good and consistent in itself...
If you don't like it, you're welcome to not play dude.
Does that mean that I can't have my own opinion on the topic, DUDE? Me wanting them to do something else is as valid as you wanting them to make a Ciri sequel. Period.
Does that mean that I can't have my own opinion on the topic, DUDE? Me wanting them to do something else is as valid as you wanting them to make a Ciri sequel. Period.
No, no Ciri game, please, really do not want to play Mary Sue with a temper of a teenager. Plus, I do not want devs to exploite the Witcher universe again. They should do something new, their own story and world.
I could actually think of a game based on Ciri that might be enjoyable. But that game would be completely detached from Witcher 3 and anything that happened there, Ciri included (character + powers). It would be based on Sapkowski's (non-canon) "Something ends, something begins" short story depicting an older Ciri after the events of the saga:
Geralt raised his head, yanked out of his slumber by the clattering of hooves on the stony courtyard. From behind the bushes growing around the walls came out Kelpie shining with water, with Ciri in the saddle. Ciri was dressed in her black leather costume and had a sword on her back, the famous Gveir, gained in the catacombs beneath the desert of Korath.
For a while they looked silently at each other, then the girl spurred her mare with her heel and came closer. Kelpie bowed her head to reach the witcher with her teeth, but Ciri held her back with a strong jerk of the bridle.
"So, today," said the girl witcher. "Today, Geralt."
"Today," he confirmed, leaning against the wall.
"I'm happy," she said uncertainly. "I think ... I'm not sure that you two will be happy, but I'm happy still."
"Dismount, Ciri. We'll have a talk."
The girl shook her head and threw back her hair, behind her ear. Geralt saw the vast, ugly scar on her face - a reminder of the those terrible times. Ciri let her hair grow to her shoulders and combed it in a way to hide the scar, but she often forgot.
"I'm going to ride away, Geralt," she said. "Right after the feast."
"Dismount, Ciri."
The witcheress jumped down from her saddle and sat down next to him. Geralt put her arm around her and Ciri put her head on his shoulder.
"I'm going to ride away," she repeated.
He kept silent. Words pushed to his lips, but there wasn't any he considered suitable. Or necessary. He kept silent.
"I know what you think," she said slowly. "You think I'm running away. And you're right."
He kept silent. He knew it.
"Finally, after all these years, you have each each other. Yen and you. You deserve happiness, peace. A home. But me, I'm horrified by the thought, Geralt. That's ... why I run away."
He kept silent. He remembered how often he ran away himself.
"I'll get going right after the feast," Ciri repeated. "I want ... I want to feel the wind in my face on the back of a galloping horse again. I want to see the stars on the horizon again, I want to whistle Dandelion's ballads at night. I'm longing for the fight, the dance with the sword, I'm longing for the risk, for the delight of victory. And I'm longing for solitude. Do you understand me?"
"Of course," he smiled sadly. "Of course I understand you, Ciri. You're my daughter, you're a witcheress. You'll do what you have to do. But I have to tell you one last thing. One thing. You'll always be on the run, but you'll never be able to run away."
"I know," she replied and cuddled herself closer to him. "I still have hope that one day ... If I wait, if I'm patient, then I, too, perhaps will see such a beautiful day like this for myself ... Even though ..."
"What, Ciri?"
"I've never been pretty. And with that scar..."
"Ciri," he cut her off. "You're the most beautiful girl in the world. Right after Yen, of course."
"Oh, Geralt."
"If you don't believe me, ask Dandelion."
"Oh, Geralt."
"Where ..."
"South," she instantly interrupted him, without averting her face. "Smoke is still rising from the ground after the war there, the restoration is under way, people fight for survival. They need guard and protection. I'll be of use there. And there is also the desert of Korath ... And there is Nilfgaard. I have unsettled scores there. We have unsettled scores their, Gveir and me..."
She fell silent, her face hardened, her green eyes narrowed, her mouth twisted to a grimace. "I remember," thought Geralt, "I remember. It was like that back in the time, on these stairs slippery of blood in the castle Rhys-Rhun, when they fought together side by side, him and her, the wolf and the cat, two deadly machines inhumanly fast and inhumanly cruel, carried to extremes, enraged, pushed back against a wall. Yes, at the time the Nilfgaardians retreated in terror, shied away from the flashing and whizing of their blades, but they slowly moved down, down the stairs of the castle Rhys-Rhun, wet with blood. They moved down, leaning on each other, united, and before them death was headed, death on two shiny sword blades. The cold, calm Wolf and the raving Cat. The flashing of the blade, crying, blood, death ... It was like that at that time. Back in the days."
Ciri threw back her hair and among the blond strands shone a snow-white streak on the temple.
That time, her hair whitened.
"I have unsettled scores there," she hissed. "For Mistle. For my Mistle. I have revenged her, but for Mistle one death isn't enough."
Bonhart, he thought. She killed him full of hatred. Oh, Ciri, Ciri. You're standing on the edge of an abyss, little daughter. Not a thousand deaths would revenge your Mistle. Beware of hatred, Ciri, it consumes like cancer.
"Watch out for yourself," he whispered.
"I'll rather watch the others," she smiled ominously. "It pays off more, in the long run."
I will never see her again, he thought. If she leaves, I will never see her again.
"You will," she said and smiled with the smile of a sorceress, not of a witcheress. "You will, Geralt."
Then she sprang up, tall and slender like a boy, agile like a dancer. With one jump she was in the saddle.
"Yaaa, Kelpie!!!"
Andrzej Sapkowski, "Something ends, Something begins"
THAT is a Ciri I can get behind as game character. Together with way less abilities (no unhuman space jumps in battle, no inhuman melee fighting skills) that would make an interesting, twisted, anti-hero character imho.
Edit: Oh, an Galahad has to be her romance option, of course. They're so cute...
*Ciri wakes up in a bed with a bandage on her head*
Peasant Woman: "How did you get here?"
Ciri:
* "I was....dead. I fought the White Frost but...lost."
* "I was on my way to Nilfgaard to be crowned Empress.'
* "I'm a Witcher."
* "I don't remember." (Default)
