Ciri Fan Art Thread

[darcler]

@Luxorek: szara mysz http://www.sapkowski.pl/modules.php?op=modload&name=Companion&file=index&func=pos#Ciri contains list of attributes and overall characteristics of all characters in the books, including adjectives they are described with. "Mysie" (mouse) hair never appear in the description; if at all referred to as mysie, it's always mysiopopielate (mouse-ash), but usually her hair are described as popielate/popielatoszare (ash/ash-grey) or simply szare (grey).

 

[Luxorek]

@Luxorek: szara mysz http://www.sapkowski.pl/modules.php?op=modload&name=Companion&file=index&func=pos#Ciri contains list of attributes and overall characteristics of all characters in the books, including adjectives they are described with. "Mysie" (mouse) hair never appear in the description; if at all referred to as mysie, it's always mysiopopielate (mouse-ash), but usually her hair are described as popielate/popielatoszare (ash/ash-grey) or simply szare (grey).

Umm... your point ? It really makes no difference whether I wrote the adjective as Mysie or mysie, given that the word still takes its name from mysz, meaning mouse and you are still perfectly aware of what I meant. I mean really... what are we, discussing semantics here ? But thanks for the link, it's pretty useful.

 

[ReptilePZ]

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Are you serious? Even people with Polish as their native language can't agree on this. I'm going to make a call and say that the translators and illustrators can't *all* be wrong. Going with ashen blond.

 

[Luxorek]

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Are you serious? Even people with Polish as their native language can't agree on this.

I am. Besides, I went back to see what I wrote in the previous pages and I didn't write "Mysie" at any point. I wrote "mysie", so... again, I have no idea what the whole point of all of this is.

 

[darcler]

The word "mysie" is indeed, as you said, used to describe some rather ambiguous variation of blonde/brown hair in Polish. But the word "mysie" does not, in itself, imply any specific color, blonde included. There are various mouse species in Central Europe, some brown, some black, some grey. My point is, by using the term "mysiopopielate" ("mouse-ash") as a color reference, Sapkowski is indicating Ciri's hair are reminiscent of a gray mouse's hair. Like this one:

 

[Luxorek]

Mouse? Sapkowski has never used "myszoszare" or "mysze" to describe Ciri's hair. It was always either mysie or popielate or szare or combinations of all of them, like the link you have provided states. What's more, I would say that the adjective "mysze" (mouselike) does not mean "mysie" (which is exclusively used to describe hair colour, though indeed it has its origin in the word mouse).

"Mysie" has become such a generic and umbrella term for Slavic blonde that I would not go looking at real mouses to validate you claims.

 

[Nars]

@Luxorek

I second that.

 

[ReptilePZ]

That settles it then. Ciri's light blond after all, and most of the fan arts are wrong, while the way I imagine her can remain unchanged. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Or it would, if I actually liked the character...

 

[Nars]

Or it would, if I actually liked the character...

 

[EmperorZorn]

That.

 

[darcler]

@Luxorek: Wait, perhaps I'm just too tired to understand what I'm reading, or did you really meant to say either Ciri's blonde or Sapkowski used the wrong word to describe her hair:

when you say that someone has "mysi" or "mysie" hair colour it means basically... just darker blonde

Which of course makes me wonder why Sapkowski used the word "szare" as a synonim for "mysie" in above excerpt from the novels.

 

[GuyNwah]

The word "mysie" is indeed, as you said, used to describe some rather ambiguous variation of blonde/brown hair in Polish. But the word "mysie" does not, in itself, imply any specific color, blonde included. There are various mouse species in Central Europe, some brown, some black, some grey. My point is, by using the term "mysiopopielate" ("mouse-ash") as a color reference, Sapkowski is indicating Ciri's hair are reminiscent of a gray mouse's hair. Like this one:

Darling mouse. Though wild mice have "ticked" hair that is not really analogous to the way human hair is colored. Looked at closely, it is not really grey but has alternating bands of lighter and darker brown. Abyssinian cats are well known for their coat with a similar color habit. I know that's being too literal.

 

[darcler]

@Guy N'wah: it's approximation, I suppose. Natural languages aren't known for their precision.

 

[Luxorek]

@darcler Ciri is blonde. Some unspecified Slavic blonde, that you and I see that often on the streets here in Poland. I hate to break it to you... but she is. I am sorry, man... I'm so sorry.

And I'm gonna agree with @Nars here that Sapkowski isn't always the most reliable when it comes to things like this.

 

[ReptilePZ]

I interpret it as the hair being so light blond, that it's hard to tell if it's grey or blond, thus using different descriptions to convey that.

 

[darcler]

@Luxorek: Wait. Do I understand correctly that you're inferring Ciri's blonde because the word "mysie" is used to describe a kind of blond, even though Sapkowski never used it in relation to Ciri?

 

[Luxorek]

Listen @darcler I have no beef with you. We could discuss the meanings and etymology of the words Sapkowski used to describe Ciri's hair. Quote passages from the novels and so on. But the fact is... I really don't care. My understanding of the whole thing you already know, I think she is indeed blonde and it seems to me that the REDs think so too.

But till the Witcher 3 comes out, who knows !

EDIT: Oh, and this too...

I interpret it as the hair being so light blond, that it's hard to tell if it's grey or blond, thus using different descriptions to convey that.

 

[darcler]

I'm sorry you feel like I'm quarreling with you, but I don't seek a fight. I try to discuss, and I got confused by your statements. It's not like Ciri's hair color is paramount to me, but it is the topic we were discussing at the moment, and in a discussion you do exchange arguments until you reach a consensus. The reason I reiterated my argument is because I felt I didn't get a proper response from you. If you wanted to leave the discussion, all you had to do is say so - or refrain from posting in it. I don't see a problem.

And why the condescending "I hate to break it to you... but she is. I am sorry, man... I'm so sorry." in one of your earlier posts? Did anything I said warrant mocking me? I would appreciate a civil discussion, not a low blow like this.

 

[Luxorek]

And why the condescending "I hate to break it to you... but she is. I am sorry, man... I'm so sorry." in one of your earlier posts? Did anything I said warrant mocking me? I would appreciate a civil discussion, not a low blow like this.

I wasn't mocking you. I was playing with you @darcler, because the whole discussion became, well... kind of absurd. First you pointed some apparent linguistic differences between Mysie and mysie, which [I'm sorry] still don't make any sense to me. Then you posted a picture of a mouse, to illustrate your point. It's just... well, as I said. I don't really care that much and I don't like arguing for the sake of it.

 

[EmperorZorn]

I don't know where the problem is, guys.
Ciri's hair has a mouseish, ashen, palewhitegrayblonde tone with silvery blondegray highlights in it.

The color is a radiant cirin.
It's obvious, isn't it ?