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swordsandroses

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#82
AdamSiuda said:
CD Project Red made her even better in the game in my opinion. Ciri is now a grown, strong woman. She is showing at last emotions to people that she cares the most, specialy towards Geralt. I liked that really much. Is such a shame that we have so little interaction between Yennefer and Ciri in the game. There is only Avalach lab quest at the end of the game where Yen and Ciri are together and are actually speaking to each other. Besides that we have reunion at Kaer Morhen and thats it. Missed opportunity. Still, love how CDPR portraited Ciri in the game. They took old Ciri from the end of the books and made little, subtle changes to her because of growing age. I liked that.
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Another high quality post. :hatsoff:

Willowhugger said:
Book Ciri's reaction to the Emperor's offer or the possibility of helping others through personal sacrifice.
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That made me chuckle :)
 
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Sephira

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#83
Speaking of Rats and last posts, I thought this could have been interesting:

In Baptism of Fire (Chrzest ognia) Geralt and Ciri are separated. She learns to become a killer. Is it possible that her mind, and the teachings of Geralt, Triss and Vesemir, have been so weak as to make her change so quickly and so easily?

Here I assume that my imagination has become more real and realistic. What happens to Ciri happens to hundreds of teenagers, including someone I know. Imagining neglected and abandoned, believing rejected or excluded, they end up - especially if they join bad company - in becoming treacherous, sociopaths, monsters. Anyway, it's me, the author, who invented Ciri and her destiny, who created the whole story, and in that story Ciri was to become a teen assassin. It was part of her rite of passage.

Taken from this interview with Sapkowski (in italian): http://sugarpulp.it/intervista-ad-andrzej-sapkowski/
 
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krieckmann

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#84
Zbotz said:
Well yes, Empress ending is just bullshit. It's not only her book character doing a 360, but her game character as well.
Outside of this optional route there' not much I have to complain about though.
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Good to know in the books Ciri was against it as well. I see the Empress ending as one where Ciri is guilted and manipulated into becoming Empress. It's triggered by you making Ciri think it's important to see her dad at a time when she is mentally a bit vulnerable (after the battle and she has guilt for Vesimer's death) and Emhyr is able to get in her head. In the ending where she becomes a witcher, she still knows she can go see her dad any time and set herself up to be Empress, but she chooses not to. And she really doesn't owe anyone anything, she already saved the universe from becoming a frozen hell :)
 
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swordsandroses

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#85
Sephira said:
Speaking of Rats and last posts, I thought this could have been interesting:

In Baptism of Fire (Chrzest ognia) Geralt and Ciri are separated. She learns to become a killer. Is it possible that her mind, and the teachings of Geralt, Triss and Vesemir, have been so weak as to make her change so quickly and so easily?

Here I assume that my imagination has become more real and realistic. What happens to Ciri happens to hundreds of teenagers, including someone I know. Imagining neglected and abandoned, believing rejected or excluded, they end up - especially if they join bad company - in becoming treacherous, sociopaths, monsters. Anyway, it's me, the author, who invented Ciri and her destiny, who created the whole story, and in that story Ciri was to become a teen assassin. It was part of her rite of passage.

Taken from this interview with Sapkowski (in italian): http://sugarpulp.it/intervista-ad-andrzej-sapkowski/
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Thank you for that, it's a wonderful interview.

I think that book in particular served splendidly to hit Ciri's character and story with a morbid doze of reality of the world she inhabits. Up until then, she was protected by Geralt and Ciri, and this was her first real opportunity to test their teachings, but also her inner strength and character.

That side of her character is sort of lacking in game Ciri, the brutal retaliation and venom snake tongue. It really goes hand in hand with Calanthe's and Yen's influence she is carrying.

Just so to avoid being a negative Nancy, I do think CDPR carried over her posture, mannerisms and classy self control rather well. Just like Yen thought her.
 
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swordsandroses

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#88
Speaking of in game Ciri's looks, am I the only one who thinks her default outfit would've been perfect without the high heels?
How would that work on the Pendulum in Kaer Morhen, I wonder?

 
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psJustDoit

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#91
Willowhugger said:
On a more specific level, the Witcher 3 kind of goes against a major theme of Sapkowski's writings which is, "Screw your standard fantasy epic Chosen One story". A lot of people think Ciri is an OP with a ridiculous story of Empress heir, Northern heir, Source, Sorceress, Witcheress, and so on.

The thing is, all these ridiculous titles are things she adamantly rejects. There's a scene in Baptism of Fire where Milva says that Geralt rescuing Ciri from Emhyr (not knowing she's with the Rats) is ludicrous because why would she want to be rescued from a life of power, privilege, and wealth.

And Geralt doesn't bother to explain because the reader knows how ****ing STUPID the statement she just gave is.

Ciri doesn't want a Crown, she doesn't want to be the Chosen One, she doesn't want to be the Savior, or the Savior's Mother, and she's NOT going to compromise on this. The various prophecies about her, even though they're ostensibly for her own benefit, result in nothing but attempts at sexual assault, beatings, and the murder of her friends.

The ending of the Witcher books, which the game spoils, is Ciri LEAVES the world of the Witcher. The White Frost isn't coming for 3000 years so there's no point in being the Chosen One. She abandons Nilfgaard, the Aen Elle, and the North to its fate....and good ****ing riddance.

If I could summarize Ciri's relationship to her Chosen Status, it's giving two middle fingers to Fate.

Needless to say, this makes some element DISSONANCE with the Witcher 3 where she's like, "Must I go to the Emperor to help as many people as possible?"

Book Ciri's reaction to the Emperor's offer or the possibility of helping others through personal sacrifice.
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Thank you so much(here have a redPOINT) i can take that as a reference so many Times i had to Defend my Standpoints you nailed it there there is no Bad/sad/evil Endings it is what suppose to be.And no more harakiri bushido bullshiat about Geraldo goes inTo swamp and kill himself or get eaten by little Swamp monsters.
ps. Cirilla is not the Center of the Universe
 
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TheWhiteWolf0101

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#92
psJustDoit said:
Thank you so much(here have a redPOINT) i can take that as a reference so many Times i had to Defend my Standpoints you nailed it there there is no Bad/sad/evil Endings it is what suppose to be.And no more harakiri bushido bullshiat about Geraldo goes inTo swamp and kill himself or get eaten by little Swamp monsters.
ps. Cirilla is not the Center of the Universe
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You're wrong,She is..It's about rescuing her everything is focused on her,that's why i think there will be witcher 4 with Ciri as the main protagonist.
 
mecha_fish

mecha_fish

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#95
psJustDoit said:
ps. Cirilla is not the Center of the Universe
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idk man, she kinda is

i mean, with the whole Mary Sue thing -- her position as the most influential princess on the Continent, her position as the goddess of space and time, her relationship with Geralt (our protagonist) rendering him insane (re: his halucinations, sudden violent outbursts, nightmares, shitty behaviour etc. in the books, which makes his terminally indifferent grief in the bad ending shine like a star at how in-character that is), the whole purpose of a certain group of interdimensional space elves who have a reputation of mythological proportions is to hunt her down etc.

regardless of whether it's good writing or not, whether Geralt should feel so strongly about parenting this girl or what have you, she is kinda supposed to be the centre of the universe - this is intended by the Pani Sapkowski

and as a crucial plot element, she is pretty much the centre of the witcher universe

so i refute this claim that Ciri isn't the centre of the universe. for all intents and purposes, she is.

as for whether her actions in the games made sense -- i dunno... Geralt doing stuff and having some degree of influence kinda needs to happen since this is a decision making RPG. i think the fact this is a game kinda ruins the Ciri-liciousness of her character, so I tend to accept it as a part of the medium.
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#97
Well, I just copy that post of mine from the Yennefer thread. It fits better to this thread anyway. ;)

Scholdarr.452 said:
The whole plot of Witcher 3 is a (worse) copy of the overall plot in the book pentalogy. The basic idea is all the same. Ciri is still on the run and Geralt and Yennefer are still searching for her and trying to protect her but with way less dramatic build up. Sapkowski's plot 0.5, so to say. The lack of creativity and own ideas in the overall plot of TW3 (not the side quests or even "main story side quests") is astonishing. The more I think about it the more I feel it was a very bad idea from the beginning to make this game about Ciri. Yennefer works pretty well as a counterpoise to Triss after Geralt recovered his memory. But Ciri? She's half plot-vessel, half mechanics-vessel. Her storyline is basically the same as it is in the books (of course with a a huge amount of less details and development...) with the one difference of the spectacle creep ending.

Everything the game is actually great at has nothing to do with Ciri and her story imho...

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psJustDoit

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#100
mecha_fish said:
idk man, she kinda is

i mean, with the whole Mary Sue thing -- her position as the most influential princess on the Continent, her position as the goddess of space and time, her relationship with Geralt (our protagonist) rendering him insane (re: his halucinations, sudden violent outbursts, nightmares, shitty behaviour etc. in the books, which makes his terminally indifferent grief in the bad ending shine like a star at how in-character that is), the whole purpose of a certain group of interdimensional space elves who have a reputation of mythological proportions is to hunt her down etc.

regardless of whether it's good writing or not, whether Geralt should feel so strongly about parenting this girl or what have you, she is kinda supposed to be the centre of the universe - this is intended by the Pani Sapkowski

and as a crucial plot element, she is pretty much the centre of the witcher universe

so i refute this claim that Ciri isn't the centre of the universe. for all intents and purposes, she is.

as for whether her actions in the games made sense -- i dunno... Geralt doing stuff and having some degree of influence kinda needs to happen since this is a decision making RPG. i think the fact this is a game kinda ruins the Ciri-liciousness of her character, so I tend to accept it as a part of the medium.
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There you have it Books vs Movie/Games
The Witcher trylogie is not a copy paste from the Books even stated most of the Witcher games are after the Books some scenes even spoilling or have hints of prevoius Books outcome.
Geralt was my GERALDO in all previous Gameplays now in TW3 the writers in CDPR ''try'' it to Hard making a 180* degree and fitting the characters more towards the Books .BIG Mystake. Do i like that aproach Hell yes they apleese to a certain Fanbase mostly the Book lovers and i cant argue with that.
The cons of that aproach you can see on the yen/triss/ciri debatte in the supThread I talked with some People who are coming new in to the Witcher Wolrd with TW3.You know what the first thing they ask me? How do i get the Best Ending for Cirilla she is Superwoman/Phoenix/Wonderwoman/Catwoman etc. Cirrila here ciri there i was getting the Feelings its rly to Focused on one Person its the World around here, will decide the Faith of here not vice/versa.

DO i Love Cirillas Characters in TW3 HELL YES but if you building here almost like in the Books then do it right or let some hint/spoillers out. Only the Book readers know how abused/tortured/raped/manipluated forced in to/bi-sexual interactions she is not Superman there is no saving mankind Planet Universe references in the BOOKS nor GAME i can interpret.
 
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