Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon discussion thread

[daveyido]

pls no sex scenes with Ciri..

Pls no scenes with Ciri in general.

 

[TheWhiteWolf0101]

Pls no scenes with Ciri in general.

Once again what can i say,Haters gonna HATE .

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Pls no scenes with Ciri in general.

http://strawpoll.me/4998679

 

[wright1978]

I would love to play as a female witcher (Ciri),that would be freaking awesome,but pls no sex scenes with Ciri..

Why not? If it's good enough for Geralt, it should be fine for ciri.

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lol. Well I always thought it was strange how much she trusts him so it really wouldn't surprise me all that much if they've been banging.

I've been operating under assumption she's got some feelings for him, so wouldn't be that out of the realms of possibility.

 

[TheWhiteWolf0101]

Why not? If it's good enough for Geralt, it should be fine for ciri.

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I've been operating under assumption she's got some feelings for him, so wouldn't be that out of the realms of possibility.

No,they dididn't bang,Ciri wouldn't let her ass get banged.

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Why not? If it's good enough for Geralt, it should be fine for ciri.

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I've been operating under assumption she's got some feelings for him, so wouldn't be that out of the realms of possibility.

No,they dididn't bang,Ciri wouldn't let her ass get banged...

 

[krueckstock]

In Witcher 3, Ciri exhibited the same display of power, but as far as I'm aware, she didn't ahem... indulge in such activities with men.

she had sex with mistle, its very narrow minded to assume you have to sleep with the opposite gender to lose your virginity.

 

[TreesAreCanon]

she had sex with mistle, its very narrow minded to assume you have to sleep with the opposite gender to lose your virginity.

I don't think it's only about virginity but also about pregnancy.

Although it wasn't mentioned directly in A Question of Price ​it's still most likely the case. Ciri is prego with ugly elf.

 

[swordsandroses]

she had sex with mistle, its very narrow minded to assume you have to sleep with the opposite gender to lose your virginity.

I don't think medieval times held much political correctness and broad views in that regard. It would be interesting to know how did CDPR interpret that.

 

[Paprikamann]

In Witcher 3, Ciri exhibited the same display of power, but as far as I'm aware, she didn't ahem... indulge in such activities with men.

It really makes me doubt of technique Avallac'h used in his training sessions, in order to unlock her full potential against the White Frost.

Well, I assume that she had something with Galahad.

I highly doubt that Avallac'h and Ciri had sex. Although she kind of reminds him of Lara Dorren, I think his hatred for humans wouldn't let him do this.

 

[Sephira]

So she did?

That's why there are no unicorns in W3.

:surprise:

 

[TreesAreCanon]

Well, I assume that she had something with Galahad.

I highly doubt that Avallac'h and Ciri had sex. Although she kind of reminds him of Lara Dorren, I think his hatred for humans wouldn't let him do this.

Try reading A Question of Price and then try paying closer attention to events at Kaer Morhen in the game.
To get more information about the topic, you can try reading at least first five chapters of Lady of the Lake.

Now this is where the not so crazy theory builds up: in order to summon pure primordial force just like Cirilla
did at Kaer Morhen, she possibly had to be pregnant. It doesn't have to be Avallac'h, could be someone else.

It would kinda make sense though, could be either him personally or somebody else who they picked together.
That would also explain her sudden gain of trust (she despised him in the books). White Frost being the reason.

 

[Zbotz]

Well, I assume that she had something with Galahad.

I highly doubt that Avallac'h and Ciri had sex. Although she kind of reminds him of Lara Dorren, I think his hatred for humans wouldn't let him do this.

Kind of looks like Avallac'h is just like Imlerith, even a bigger perv than a racist. So while he still hates them he sure doesn't seem to mind them sexy times.

 

[Paprikamann]

Try reading A Question of Price and then try paying closer attention to events at Kaer Morhen in the game.
To get more information about the topic, you can try reading at least first five chapters of Lady of the Lake.

Now this is where the not so crazy theory builds up: in order to summon pure primordial force just like Cirilla
did at Kaer Morhen, she possibly had to be pregnant. It doesn't have to be Avallac'h, could be someone else.

It would kinda make sense though, could be either him personally or somebody else who they picked together.
That would also explain her sudden gain of trust (she despised him in the books). White Frost being the reason.

As CDP didn't pay attention to all book lore and already created some plot holes, I could imagine this is just another one. Also, Ciri must have stronger force than Pavetta, her child should be even way more powerful than Ciri herself. So maybe Pavetta needed to be pregnant to use her full power, but Ciri can do it without this condition.
Additionally Avallac'h trained her, so she can have access to bigger power than Pavetta had or Ciri had before that.

And what's told in the beginning of Lady of the Lake? I read all books, but I don't remember any mention of pregnacy in a connection to power in that part of the saga?


I think it would be pretty out of character for both Ciri and Avallac'h if they really had sex.

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Kind of looks like Avallac'h is just like Imlerith, even a bigger perv than a racist. So while he still hates them he sure doesn't seem to mind them sexy times.

"You humans have ... hm, unusual tastes.

For me, this doesn't sound very "positive".

 

[TreesAreCanon]

As CDPR didn't pay attention to all book lore and already created some plot holes, I could imagine this is just another one. I think it would be pretty out of character for both Ciri and Avallac'h if they really had sex.

This is strictly fanfiction, another interpretation of not so good canon. Just an interesting theory and food for thought.
As for Avallac'h and Ciri - what we learned in Witcher for sure is that higher causes can form the strangest alliances.

 

[Paprikamann]

This is strictly fanfiction, another interpretation of not so good canon. Just an interesting theory and food for thought.
As for Avallac'h and Ciri - what we learned in Witcher for sure is that higher causes can form the strangest alliances.

What do you exactly mean with "fanfiction"? My ideas, your ideas or just the whole discussion about this topic itself? :ermm:
Of course everything that is not explained in books or games is just a theory, but why should this fact keep us away from discussing about it? ^^

And what "higher cause" could it be that it is needed for Ciri and Avallac'h to couple (each other / together <- choose the correct term )? In the end Ciri leaves either for being a witcheress or empress or dieing / leaving this world (with Avallac'h?).

 

[TreesAreCanon]

This theory @swordsandroses was talking about is just our fanfiction, which is why I joined in because I share his idea. The higher cause is of course preventing/stopping the White Frost and pregnancy is a source of incredibly strong magic, probably the strongest source in the witcher universe. CDPR shows you a piece of it as well - Bloody Baron's questline.
I could believe that in order to develop her abilities to the point where she could be able to face White Frost, Ciri needed
to become pregnant. What happened at Kaer Morhen was just a small teaser, it is hard to imagine what was happening after she entered the portal to face White Frost. Everyone was trying to have her child or her organs, especially Avadick.

 

[OptoNick]

As CDP didn't pay attention to all book lore

Oh, they actually did, and very close attention. Things become very messed up because of that, but I'd not say that it's something bad

Here are the outcomes (Lady of the Lake):

Spoiler

‘And what of Francesca Findabair’s image by an unknown elvish painter, hanging in the gallery in Vengerberg?’

‘A fake. When the Gate opened and the elves left, they took with them or destroyed all their works of art and left not a single image. We do not know if the Daisy of the Valley was really as beautiful as they say. We do not know the appearance of Ida Emean

So, Ard Gaeth had opened some day in next 150-200 years after events of main saga.

What we are knowing about that plan:

Spoiler

‘In short,’ continued Avallac’h, ‘we will have the opportunity to travel between the worlds, and not for only a single person. We want to open Ard Gaeth – The Great Gate, which all will pass through. We could do this before the Conjunction, and we will achieve it now. We will evacuate the dying world and the Aen Seidhe who live there, our brothers, whom we are obliged to help. We do not neglect such a responsibility. We will take all of the world’s endangered, Zireael. Everyone, even the humans.’

‘Really?’ Ciri couldn’t contain herself. ‘Even the Dh’oine?’

‘Yes. Trust me. Do you now see how important you are, how we care about you? It is imperative that you be patient. It is important that you return to Auberon and spend the night with him. Believe me, his behaviour has not been a sign of reluctance. He knows, that for you this is not easy and does not wish to be inappropriately hasty. He knows many things, Swallow. You may have no doubt noticed.’

Avallac'h really needed Ciri for that transfer. Even if he had tried to create another solution, he didn't succeed in that in last 100+ years since Lara's death (and that's where CDPR put Karanthir, smooth move).

But, eventually, Gates will be opened. Sapkowski left an empty space for speculations about that: either Avallac'h and other Sages worked out the backup plan by themselves, or Avallac'h established a new contact with Ciri.

CDPR squeezed into the latest door, because it's easier and more interesting to explain and demonstrate. But they are upgraded Ciri's significance and separated the goals: Avallac'h persuaded Ciri to defeat White Frost for the greater good (basically, it ruined Ithlinne's prophecy, but who cares), and then could come the thing which Geralt predicts - he, some day, would ask her a favour to open the Gates.

Here's the irony, that even we consider that Ciri has defeated some metaphysical White Frost in game, there's still very mundane changes in climate out there:

Spoiler

‘As you probably know,’ Nimue said staring at the lake, ‘the only port that does not freeze is the Gulf of Praxeda in Pont Vanis.’

‘I know.’

‘Enrich your knowledge. You know that a hundred years ago, all the major ports in the Gulf were open water throughout the year. In the Chronicles it is recorded that even in the last century that Talgar could still grow cucumbers and pumpkins and sunflowers. Now those crops won’t grow there, because the growing season is too short and the winter is too rigid. Did you ever hear that Kaedwen had its own vineyard? Wines from the local vines were probably not the best, but they were cheap. And the local poets sang of them. Those vines no longer grow in Kaedwen because the winters, unlike the old, bring severe frosts and heavy snows that kill the vines. Not only inhibits the vegetation, but simply kills it. Destroys it.’

‘I understand.’

‘Yes,’ reflected Nimue. ‘Shall I tell you more? Perhaps of the snow falls in Talgar in mid-November. And at the end of December and January, there is snow in the catchment area of Alba, where even a hundred years ago nobody had seen snow. Why at Birke do we celebrate the welcoming of spring, what do you think?’

‘It’s the spring equinox. But it is true that the little children wonder, because outside there is still snow on the ground. At the same time I have read that in ancient times that during Birke daffodils and crocuses had already bloomed.’

‘You mean the ancient times, not more than a hundred and twenty years ago. Historically it has been recently. Ithlinne was right, the prophecy is fulfilling. The world is perishing under the ice. Mankind will perish because of the Destroyer, who was to open the way to salvation. As we know from legend, he did not.’

‘For reasons that are not explained in the legend.’

‘That is true. However, the fact remains, the White Frost is coming. The civilizations of the northern hemisphere are doomed. They will disappear under the sprawling ice, under permafrost and snow. But there is no need to panic, because it will take some time before it happens.’

The Sun went down and the blinding brilliance from the surface of the lake disappeared. Now a softer beam of light fell on the water. The moon bathed the tower of Inis Vitre in a bright glow.

‘How long?’ said Condwiramurs. ‘How long do we have left, do you think? ‘

‘A lot.’

‘How much, Nimue?’

‘About three thousand years.’

Which is pushing us to the next question: is Avallac'h more stupid than Nimue? No, I don't think so.
My book-based theory was that he just wanted to save Aen Seidhe and their cultural heritage from people, and there was no real close threat from ice age.
If mix up that with TW3 ending, few things could be assumed:
1) He really wanted to train Ciri for further actions;
2) She also could cleansed some world for elves from metaphysical or scientifically-reasoned White Frost (don't ask me how, it's some heavy shit magic);

OR (not in my personal headcanon, TBH)

3) Disregard that, there actually was some scary magical White Frost, and Ciri prevented apocalypse for all countless worlds

 

[Paprikamann]

This theory @swordsandroses was talking about is just our fanfiction, which is why I joined in because I share his idea. The higher cause is of course preventing/stopping the White Frost and pregnancy is a source of incredibly strong magic, probably the strongest source in the witcher universe. CDPR shows you a piece of it as well - Bloody Baron's questline.
I could believe that in order to develop her abilities to the point where she could be able to face White Frost, Ciri needed
to become pregnant. What happened at Kaer Morhen was just a small teaser, it is hard to imagine what was happening after she entered the portal to face White Frost. Everyone was trying to have her child or her organs, especially Avadick.

Of course it's an interesting topic and all points are actually eminently reasonable. But in the end I just don't think there wouldn't be another way or another explanation (I mentioned a few of them).

Oh, they actually did, and very close attention. Things become very messed up because of that, but I'd not say that it's something bad

Making the White Frost a "magical spell" is not why I call "paying attention to the book lore".

Somehow, I don't get how your posts is related to mine? What's the actual point you don't agree with?


I know about the prophecies and the White Frost in the books. And that's actually the problem. There aren't many ways to bring the "book-White-Frost" and the "game-White-Frost" together.


Avallac'h could try creating a new "golden child" again. This would be a lame explanation, but a possible one.
Avallac'h needs Ciri's child in the first place. If I remember correctly, it is not necessarily needed that Ciri's "lover" is an elven king/sage etc. It is just more likely that her child is powerful enough. I assume she could have a powerful child with another (human) man as well. This child (or grandchild) could decide itself to open the great gate etc.

In the books (and games) Avallac'h wanted to open the gate to escape the White Frost. As it is defeated in the games noone needs the great gate anymore actually. (maybe the Aen Elle because of power, but let's ignore that).

 

[OptoNick]

Making the White Frost a "magical spell" is not why I call "paying attention to the book lore".

Somehow, I don't get how your posts is related to mine? What's the actual point you don't agree with?


I know about the prophecies and the White Frost in the books. And that's actually the problem. There aren't many ways to bring the "book-White-Frost" and the "game-White-Frost" together.

Oh, I forgot to write it down. It's not like I disagree with YOUR posts, actually vice versa - I just don't think that Avallac'h had reasons or intentions to become Ciri's lover. I wanted to describe my thoughts about his agenda, and your words about attention to the lore just got my attention, sorry

And yeah, I'm not a fan of magical White Frost, too

Avallac'h said that father does matter, actually, but it's unknown how exactly:

Spoiler

Avallac’h played on his flute a variety of lively tunes. Ciri rode frowning and thinking hard.

‘Who,’ she asked, ‘is to be the father of the child, for whom you care so much? Or maybe it does not matter?’


‘It is important. Am I to understand that you have made a decision?’


‘No, you do not understand. Just explain some things.’


‘I’m at your service. What do you want to know?’


‘You know what.’


For a time they rode in silence. Ciri saw some swans floating down the river.


‘The father.’ Avallac’h said calmly and factually, ‘will be Auberon Muircetach. Auberon Muircetach is our… How do you say… Supreme leader?’


‘King? King of the Aen Seidhe?’


‘The Aen Seidhe, the People of the Hills, are the elves of your world. We are the Aen Elle, the People of the Alders. And Auberon Muircetach is, of course, our king.’


‘King of the Alders?’


‘You can call him that.’

 

[Paprikamann]

Oh, I forgot to write it down. It's not like I disagree with YOUR posts, actually vice versa - I just don't think that Avallac'h had reasons or intentions to become Ciri's lover. I wanted to describe my thoughts about his agenda, and your words about attention to the lore just got my attention, sorry

And yeah, I'm not a fan of magical White Frost, too

Avallac'h said that father does matter, actually, but it's unknown how exactly:

Alright then. I was just irritated a bit and didn't know how to deal with your post properly. ^^
Good to know you are with me in this point. :happy2:

That's how I thought about the father thing: An elven father would guarantee the child is powerful enough, but a human father wouldn't necessarily debar Ciri's child from being powerful enough.



Basically, I don't like the idea of a magical White Frost and a natural White Frost side by side.
But actually I made some thoughts on it and that's a possible explanation for it. Of course it's just pure fan fiction and you need to clear up some plot holes, but I don't dislike the following idea:
We know Avallac'h is old. Very old. Maybe even 1500 years old? As we also know that he can easily cause a conjunction of spheres, is it possible that he is the one who caused the first one, too? Was the (magical) White Frost created back then? Could it be a failed spell made by Avallac'h?
Let's just assume it happened that way. Avallac'h created something that is going to destroy all (/most) worlds. The elves had to flee of course, so they came in the actual "witcher world" (and the Aen Elle world). But the White was still a threat. So Avallac'h tried to fix his failure and create a gene which allows to use great powers to defeat the White Frost.
Of course he wouldn't tell anyone of his failure (maybe just old elven sages know about it) as he is too proud and doesn't want to admit he is the reason for all the shit). It is more likely Ciri would admit in saving her world from a big natural threat, than fixing a magical failure caused by Avallac'h.


And? What do you think? Seems legit, doesn't it? At least it was fun imagining this theory. ^^

 

[OptoNick]

Alright then. I was just irritated a bit and didn't know how to deal with your post properly. ^^
Good to know you are with me in this point. :happy2:

That's how I thought about the father thing: An elven father would guarantee the child is powerful enough, but a human father wouldn't necessarily debar Ciri's child from being powerful enough.



Basically, I don't like the idea of a magical White Frost and a natural White Frost side by side.
But actually I made some thoughts on it and that's a possible explanation for it. Of course it's just pure fan fiction and you need to clear up some plot holes, but I don't dislike the following idea:
We know Avallac'h is old. Very old. Maybe even 1500 years old? As we also know that he can easily cause a conjunction of spheres, is it possible that he is the one who caused the first one, too? Was the (magical) White Frost created back then? Could it be a failed spell made by Avallac'h?
Let's just assume it happened that way. Avallac'h created something that is going to destroy all (/most) worlds. The elves had to flee of course, so they came in the actual "witcher world" (and the Aen Elle world). But the White was still a threat. So Avallac'h tried to fix his failure and create a gene which allows to use great powers to defeat the White Frost.
Of course he wouldn't tell anyone of his failure (maybe just old elven sages know about it) as he is too proud and doesn't want to admit he is the reason for all the shit). It is more likely Ciri would admit in saving her world from a big natural threat, than fixing a magical failure caused by Avallac'h.


And? What do you think? Seems legit, doesn't it? At least it was fun imagining this theory. ^^

Yeah, funny one, indeed, and unfalsifiable

But the fact that he called a mini-Conjuction without sweating is already making him too overpowered