Colonel Hansen is a potential hope of Night City and the real victim of Phantom Liberty (personal point of view)

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I’ll grant you Hansen was the fall guy for NUSA, instead making dawg town better he made it worse than night city
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I’ll grant you Hansen was the fall guy for NUSA, instead making dawg town better he made it worse than night city
Before you can improve something, you must first protect that. The area is a target of NUSA encroachment, provocations and is full of their agents and saboteurs. You want too much from a man who just yesterday landed on the coast with powerful enemies behind him and very limited resources.
First you have to protect the control centre, then get rid of the FIA cells, then deal with the Scavengers and the Voodoo Boys, and only then will it be possible to attract investment to Dogtown (although Hansen is already doing a good job of that).
Moreover, on the list of people responsible for the deplorable state of Dogtown, the Colonel goes far behind Rosalind Myers (see posts above).
 

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As a matter of fact, even the memorandum circulated by the Night Corporation press office on the situation in Night City could serve as justification for Colonel Hansen's position.
Even Mr Blue-Eyed singles out the NUSA and Rosalind Myers as a separate type of threat.

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I talk about Phantom Liberty. Myers didn't plan Songbird's "betrayal", Myers didn't plan to get hit by Hansen's missiles, Myers didn't plan to crash "badly" Air Force One in Dogtown and Myers didn't plan to be hunted by Hansen after the crash...
I could also say that if Hansen didn't make a deal with Songbird, nor Reed, Alex and V wouldn't have to "save" Songbird and so, wouldn't have to kill Hansen. Again, a consequence of a poor decision.

Without Hansen "poor" decisions, Myers would have continued on his way in Air Force One over Night City to his intended destination without bother about Hansen, about Dogtown or even about Night City (for now).

So no matter if Myers/NUSA planned to "kill/get ride of" Hansen at some point, if he died during Phantom Liberty events, it's his own fault. He simply precipitated his fall. He give Myers the stick to be beaten.
I could also say the same for V... If V die, it's only because of V's decisions, nothing else.

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I give you an example to be sure you get what I mean :)
Let's imagine your neighbor have a super mean and aggressive dog who really wants to eat you every time he sees you, something he can't do because there is a fence between your yard and your neighbor's yard. Then, for some reason, you decide to jump above the fence to enter in your neighbor's yard. Obviously, his dog will eat you very badly right away.

Now the quesion...
Are you the victim of the dog?
Or are you the victim of your own (poor) decision to jump above the fence?

I'm sorry, but for me, you're a victim of your own poor decision which was to jump above the fence. Exactly like Hansen during Phantom Liberty events, victim of his own decisions.
I thought again about everything you said.
I still disagree, you just added more reasons for me to disagree.
1. Separately aside lies my theory that they all--And So Mi, and Myers, and V, and Hansen were overplayed by Mr Hands, according to his devious, carefully concealed plan. I take it you don't even want to bring it up. That's your right.

2. Next:
If we talk about me and my neighbour's dog - this example, yes I see this picture very clearly, it is in front of my eyes quite clearly.
But: Firstly, I might think that I see not a dog, but a wolf at my neighbour's place. Then the situation looks like the neighbour is fattening the wolf in his house, but why? So, sooner or later the neighbour will let him off the chain? So I should deal with the neighbour sooner? Or for example: the neighbour's dog barks very loudly and spreads the stench, or for example the neighbour brought her a toy, and she threw it over the fence - (you know, such cardboard boxes are sometimes there, there are computer games, board games, etc.), lost it and now barks. Barks loudly, all over the neighbourhood. On the one hand, it could be my fault for climbing the fence. On the other hand, a dog barking is aggression, isn't it?

3. Speaking personally about Colonel (and Hansen's situation is nothing like mine, although I understand him) - don't forget that Hansen has his wounded battle comrades on his hands, whom Myers demands be left to die on the battlefield. Plus Myers demands that he escape by covering himself in shame - that's unacceptable for a warrior. He has a reputation, he has a code of honour-similar to the bushido code of the samurai, it's very important. Myers, Reed, So-mi are not warriors, but killers, as they can only kill from behind, unexpectedly. They dare not go out and fight a fair fight, unlike the Colonel. Only V can fight fair, and the fact that the CDPR forced him to kill the Colonel literally cuts my heart like a dagger!

4. One last thing that occurred to me just a couple of days ago that none of us consider: the Black Wall. We forgot that the Dogtown area is literally permeated with underground bunkers where monstrous forces function.
What if Hansen didn't want to shoot the Presidential shuttle originally, but only tracked the flying ship. However, someone or something compromised the defence systems, and pulled the trigger instead of Hansen's men? What if Slider and the Voodoo Boys made mistakes reprogramming the old tech, and allowed hostile AI to leak into the firmware of the anti-aircraft missiles?

With everything that's happened, this is the version I prioritize: Black Wall's game.
Black Wall decided to play a game. Song thought she could control The Wall, but he miscalculated her moves. Myers thought she could safely use Black Wall to her advantage by framing So Mi instead, but he punished her. Hansen thought he could use the old military equipment however he wanted and become the king of Dogtown, but he was wrong.
 
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With everything that's happened, this is the version I prioritize: Black Wall's game.
Black Wall decided to play a game. Song thought she could control The Wall, but he miscalculated her moves. Myers thought she could safely use Black Wall to her advantage by framing So Mi instead, but he punished her. Hansen thought he could use the old military equipment however he wanted and become the king of Dogtown, but he was wrong.
This story:

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The strength of Colonel Hansen's detachment sent to occupy Dogtown was probably only 20 men.

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I said the same thing. I was kinda annoyed that we couldnt join his team. All games like this should ALWAYS let you be good OR bad. It seems like Fallout: New Vegas is the ONLY game that allows you to do that. its sad.
 

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I said the same thing. I was kinda annoyed that we couldnt join his team. All games like this should ALWAYS let you be good OR bad. It seems like Fallout: New Vegas is the ONLY game that allows you to do that. its sad.

*Fallout unfortunately didn't become my game, I stopped playing around the time I got to either an abandoned gas station or an old house - where those monster dogs attack. I got bored and quit playing.

Thank you for the important reminder to “Join a team”! :) (y)

Skyrim has provided one wonderful emotional experience - “Team Combat”. It's when the battle horn of attack sounds, and you, along with a crowd of your plagues, rush together, in battle formation, at a common enemy, and fight your enemies in close ranks, swords against swords! I'm talking about the episode with the storming of Whiterun (well, or the storming of the Castle Dour in Solitude, optional in-game). This is the moment before the gates of Whiterun, the feeling of unity with your squad, with your pack, knowing that even if you die in battle, you die in the arms of your comrades, next to the best men in the world, none of whom ran away from the battlefield, none of whom shot you in the back, none of whom compromised their honor!

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Just imagine that: V, dying on the battlefield, in the midst of a field drenched in the blood of FIA agents, among the corpses of Militech's special forces, falling among a thousand dead enemies, shouting to Silverhand right in his face: “I'm not a coward or a traitor like you, you bastard! Do you know the difference between us? I know what honor is, even in the face of death!!!” And the ancient sagas of the Nords, and the burning ship sailing straight to Valhalla - where brave heroes live forever...

And the face of the Colonel leaning over your blood-drenched face - “Sleep well V, you were a good soldier. We'll remember you forever! “

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And then the burning FIA tower at Langley, the new, beautiful Night City, cleansed of dirty NUSA agents...and V's lonely memorial in City Park with the inscription, “He fought for our freedom”.

Overcoming personal death for the life of something greater than you, immortality in the memory of you and your deeds. Respect of your friends and fear in the hearts of your enemies. Honor.


Аh. They would never go for it. In their view, everyone dies alone and in the dark. :D They wouldn't dare. They just wouldn't dare...
 
Fallout New Vegas isnt even in the same ballpark as the other Fallout games. It wasnt made by Bethesdea it was made by the OG Fallout Team who made FO1/2 but under Obsidian Entertainment. Its like no other. If you havent played New Vegas I highly recommend it. It has 14 endings i think? somewhere around that..i know its more than 10. you WILL need a bunch of mods too to get it to run smooth while it does run out the box you def need a bunch of mods to get it running 144fps locked and stuff but its very easy like 30 min and your set forever!
 

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Fallout New Vegas isnt even in the same ballpark as the other Fallout games. It wasnt made by Bethesdea it was made by the OG Fallout Team who made FO1/2 but under Obsidian Entertainment. Its like no other. If you havent played New Vegas I highly recommend it. It has 14 endings i think? somewhere around that..i know its more than 10. you WILL need a bunch of mods too to get it to run smooth while it does run out the box you def need a bunch of mods to get it running 144fps locked and stuff but its very easy like 30 min and your set forever!
I think I'd rather have Gears of War or Call of Duty.
Or a new Vladik Brutal, as they are preparing a big cumulative patch now (y)
This is Colonel Hansen's topic, after all. ;)
 

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I don't remember if I've made this argument before, but just in case, I'll duplicate the message: Colonel Hansen can't be zeroed in on for nothing. You just can't.

Colonel is the way to “The Predator” -

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i.e. covert operations in the jungle, guerrilla warfare, special missions, survival, voodoo magic, Indian tamtams (atmosphere!), nerves, tension, horrors in the dense forest. The war in uncharted territory - or rustic, or localized horror away from urban settings, I'd say “provincial Silent Hill” with one flavor or another.
(I don't know if you have watched it or not, if not I recommend, there is a horror movie from Thailand “The Devil's Art”,
it's just about all this, first episode or second, I don't remember exactly )).
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Colonel is the way to go for a fun massacre on the battlefield (alone, or together with friends on the network, no difference). It's games like Gears of War , Binary Domain, Red Faction: Guerrilla, Global Ops: Commando Libya - that kind of stuff. I think that this option, so to speak, should remain, if not enabled, then at least available.

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Here again, the “anti-option” or counter-option remains: if the agenda changes and the studio is forced to conform to some new mainstream (or at least take it into account when developing games), this particular genre-stylistic material could easily be turned toward “War is hell! You can see it. No war, stop the warmongers!” - and the easiest way to exploit such pacifist ideas is to start from the beginning, with Hansen's name. Then you can brand the old soldier, make him a monster of war, a ruthless beast, a war machine, a Universal Soldier, and then, and only then, can you have a “Judgment of History” on him. With subsequent execution - but not before that moment. ))

Or, if someday the CDPR moves (or is forced to develop as a new territory) into the war drama genre (well, yes, Saving Private Ryan), then, again, through Hansen and Bargest, it's easiest to do so without breaking your much-loved “lore of the Cyberpunk Universe” over the knees :p :LOL:

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To zero Colonel just out of love for So Mi or the NUSA government is irresponsible, well, you know my opinion. :)
 
How would you change the story though ? It's hard to think of a way for V to just side with Hansen, even though I'd love that path.
 
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