I was replying to the complaint about lack of gender/genitals customizations in Deus Ex. It just wasn't something that was important in the year 2000.SJW-style? What are you talking about?
Everything needs a progress, and the genres - too. Or it will be a way to copying and stagnation.
Let’s be honest here. Deus Ex was made in a different era with different priorities. SJW-style surface level “diversity” wasn’t a priority in 2000.
Not that body customization means much gameplay-wise in CP2077 anyway. It just controls which dating path you take ... that’s it. It has no other interaction. Hell, you can’t even see yourself 99% of the time. (It means even less in Deus Ex since its plot doesn’t involve romance at all.)
Deus Ex core strength is its Immersive Sim gameplay.
CP2077 ... what can I say, with such primitive AI ...
For better or worse the cyberpunk genre has a very set aesthetic courtesy of Blade Runner - it's the origin (along with Neuromancer) of the Cyberpunk genre. CP2077 doesn’t do that aesthetic well. It’s was too clean and too open aired. It’s missing core elements like the ever present oppressive rain, everything being damp all the time, and a perpetual overcast. If you don’t fit this very famous aesthetic ... it’s hard to call your product cyberpunk. It's what people want and expect when they hear "cyberpunk" (Also why are indoors so stupid dark? It hard to see much of anything 90% of the time.)
Story-wise ... I guess it fits the themes of cyberpunk, might be too dark for my taste though - personally I find it a tad bit too “gross” and “sickening”. Witcher 3 is probably my limit. At the end of the day it’s just entertainment. I don’t want to walk away from the game with a sinking feeling in my stomach. (It doesn’t help I’m not really in the mood for stuff like this right now given current events.)
No, it's totally a thing. Many modern cyberpunk fiction can be considered neo-cyberpunk in the sense that they "miss the point" - instead of the landscape being this oppressive entity, the cyberpunk city is presented as some sort of wonderland where you are invite to explore.
CP2077 is "confused" IMHO. It doesn't faithfully recreate the traditional cyberpunk aesthetic yet at the same time attempts to appeal to traditional cyberpunk tropes.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, either do a topical modern "cyberpunk" (in which you can't really use the label cyberpunk anymore; it would just be speculative sci fi with "cyberpunk" being more or less what we call speculative sci fic of the 80s) or do a full throwback recreation of traditional cyberpunk as we know it.
Again you are confused in your very own arguments. You are calling it a futuristic GTA here yet in your previous arguments you suggests it should have more activities that basically exists in GTA itself. So do you want it to mirror GTA or not?Are you joking? You are implying that CP2077 doesn't copy anything and it's actually "progress" while it is a failure mainly because it's a jack of trades master of none, copying from many sources at the same time and messing up.
I can't understand your answer. Do you think that CP2077 is a step forward on the cyberpunk genre because it purposely dodge the usual tropes and topics? Did you even play the game? Everything need to progress, you are right, but where is the progress here? A GTA in the future? That's your idea of cyberpunk? Transfering your consciousness is a progress/novelty?
Do I have to remind you of the entire Ghost in The Shell serie or Altered Carbon ( few of the many examples I could have give to you ).
Also, Blade runner isn't cyberpunk at all... Man that's embarassing.
I am all ears about the "revolutionary and innovative takes" that CP2077 did about the entire cyberpunk genre.
LOL!!!Ahhh, the amazing jaded glasses.
"SJW-style surface level “diversity” wasn’t a priority in 2000."
Sorry I read that line and won't bother to read the rest of your comment. The SJW nonsense is a childish argument when ppl have no way to argue their points or their argument is just nonsensical. If you want to be taken seriously don't start with that. Moving on
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Again you are confused in your very own arguments. You are calling it a futuristic GTA here yet in your previous arguments you suggests it should have more activities that basically exists in GTA itself. So do you want it to mirror GTA or not?
FYI something isn't automatically GTA because you can steal a car, that's not the focus of this game whereas in GTA it is very much a part of the story (at least it was initially). So please stop drawing broad comparisons, everything drew inspiration from games before, GTA is no different. Those aren't criticisms, it simple means games before did something right and other devs borrowed elements to make it better. GTA doesn't allow you any of the customizations CP77 does so please stop comparing these games.
Moving on. As I've said before Deus Ex is not Cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is a glimpse of the future blended with 80's aesthetic. That does not exist in Deus Ex. Blade Runner is to a degree so I agree with you there, though I understand what @jkl320 was trying to say. It's similar to how GITS in the original 1997 film was very much Cyberpunk but future iterations moved away from the cyberpunk theme. Stand Alone Complex was not Cyberpunk at all. And please remember while the novel that birthed blade runner explored a lot of these themes the term Cyberpunk wasn't coined until some time later. Things Like Metropolis, Alita and Armitage reflect the Cyberpunk Genre far more than anything you have listed. Just having Future tech does not make something Cyberpunk unless we're going to argue something like Start Trek or Star Wars are cyberpunk
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LOL!!!
Do you know what "Cyber" is? Do you know what "punk" is? Is there "punk" in the Blade Runner? Is there "Cyber" in the Blade Runner? Where?Are you joking? You are implying that CP2077 doesn't copy anything and it's actually "progress" while it is a failure mainly because it's a jack of trades master of none, copying from many sources at the same time and messing up.
I can't understand your answer. Do you think that CP2077 is a step forward on the cyberpunk genre because it purposely dodge the usual tropes and topics? Did you even play the game? Everything need to progress, you are right, but where is the progress here? A GTA in the future? That's your idea of cyberpunk? Transfering your consciousness is a progress/novelty?
Do I have to remind you of the entire Ghost in The Shell serie or Altered Carbon ( few of the many examples I could have give to you ).
Also, Blade runner isn't cyberpunk at all... Man that's embarassing.
I am all ears about the "revolutionary and innovative takes" that CP2077 did about the entire cyberpunk genre.
The term "Cyberpunk" results from an association of "cyber" (from the ancient Greek kubérnètès: the art of governing or piloting at the origin of the word cybernetics.) And "punk". The word “Cyberpunk” itself was popularized by Gardner Dozois, reputable editor of Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It was on December 30, 1984, in the Washington Post, that an article by Dozois entitled "SF in the Eighties" qualified as "cyberpunk" the style of the work of the writer William Gibson, and more particularly of his novel. Neuromancer (1984). He also described a whole bunch of young "weird" writers writing in the fanzine Cheap Truth: Bruce Sterling, William Gibson, Lewis Shiner, Pat Cadigan and Greg Bear. The cyberpunk “movement” was born. The term had, however, been used earlier, in November 1983, by the American writer Bruce Bethke, as the title of one of his short stories published in November 1983 in the magazine Amazing Science Fiction Stories.Do you know what "Cyber" is? Do you know what "punk" is? Is there "punk" in the Blade Runner? Is there "Cyber" in the Blade Runner? Where?
The movies are visual masterpieces. The first one and the second. One of my all-time favourite artists worked on that movie - Syd Mead (I'm something of a artist myself). The music of Vangelis is nowhere less of a masterpiece...But nor the movies are "Cyber" nor there are "punk".
Do you know what "Cyber" is? Do you know what "punk" is? Is there "punk" in the Blade Runner? Is there "Cyber" in the Blade Runner? Where?
The movies are visual masterpieces. The first one and the second. One of my all-time favourite artists worked on that movie - Syd Mead (I'm something of a artist myself). The music of Vangelis is nowhere less of a masterpiece...But nor the movies are "Cyber" nor there are "punk".
Where is the cybenetics in the Blade Runner? Is "Alien" a cyberpunk? Or "Predator"? Or "Escape from New York"? Or the "Dark City"? "Gattaca"? If a group of illiterate people called the genre of this film a "cyberpunk", then this does not actually make it cyberpunk.The term "Cyberpunk" results from an association of "cyber" (from the ancient Greek kubérnètès: the art of governing or piloting at the origin of the word cybernetics.) And "punk". The word “Cyberpunk” itself was popularized by Gardner Dozois, reputable editor of Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It was on December 30, 1984, in the Washington Post, that an article by Dozois entitled "SF in the Eighties" qualified as "cyberpunk" the style of the work of the writer William Gibson, and more particularly of his novel. Neuromancer (1984). He also described a whole bunch of young "weird" writers writing in the fanzine Cheap Truth: Bruce Sterling, William Gibson, Lewis Shiner, Pat Cadigan and Greg Bear. The cyberpunk “movement” was born. The term had, however, been used earlier, in November 1983, by the American writer Bruce Bethke, as the title of one of his short stories published in November 1983 in the magazine Amazing Science Fiction Stories.
Historically, Blade Runner is considered as cyberpunk movie because it was part of this movement. Don't be too strict about the word cyberpunk itself. Cyberpunk is more about the movement art or genre than a strict etymology today.
The combat and stealth is far superior in the Deus Ex Games even if it is easy.The two newer Deus Ex games were great but no where near in comparison to CP2077, whatsoever. They also did NOT do many things better. Now, if you want to play the original Deus Ex, that game is phenomenal. It has a large world but nowhere near in comparison to CP but it did come out almost 20 years ago. It also did a lot of things right in a Cyberpunk world and the upgrades were phenomenal. The last 2 Deus Ex games were ridiculously easy even on the hardest settings and your implants were meh at best. The last 2 were more or less made to make you feel like a fighting machine and the non-violent approach was paltry at best and had none of the layers that CP has. Still, playing as Jensen and hearing that lion growl when you take out a foe was pretty bada$$, I won't lie.
Where is the cybenetics in the Blade Runner? Is "Alien" a cyberpunk? Or "Predator"? Or "Escape from New York"? Or the "Dark City"? "Gattaca"? If a group of illiterate people called the genre of this film a "cyberpunk", then this does not actually make it cyberpunk.
I agree the themes and influences are there but please remember the Cyberpunk genre did not exist at the time of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ". The term didn't even exist at that time.Blade runner comes from the famous novel of Philipp K dick: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ?. Themes are about electronic, android and like Asimov: is a AI or cyborg could be considered as human. It's completely in the cyberpunk genre.
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Did you read the book? In the movie, replicants are not androids. They are almost like humans but stronger. Biotechnology. They are not "cyber-androids". The movie is masterpiece, but is not a "cyberpunk". It may be Sci-fi Noir, Biopunk, Ribofunk, future noir - but nowhere near "cyberpunk". Admit it - there are not anything "cyber" in Blade Runner. Hacking? Cyberspace? Implants? Where is all of this? What in that movie is "cyber"? The City? Cars? Guns? What exactly? is Dick Tracy a "cyberpunk"? Is Dune a "cyberpunk"?Blade runner comes from the famous novel of Philipp K dick: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ?. Themes are about electronic, android and like Asimov: is a AI or cyborg could be considered as human. It's completely in the cyberpunk genre.
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Hi Guys,
Just curious if there is a Rpg Game for PC with incredible Immersion and for 18 plus Players, likely looking like Cyberpunk?
Do you have some suggestions or a hint? I would appreciate it.
(don't need to be this high standard of graphics but Immersion and rpg is a must)
Sincerely
You know, I think I figured out why CP2077's story is "engaging but ultimately forgettable" ...I read a review where CP2077's story is described as "engaging but ultimately forgettable". From what I have seen, it's a fair description. Not sure why/how it ended up like this though.
Skyrim will stand strong pretty much as long as it's mod community and the game with all the graphic mods is really something to behold even today. Oblivion is also a good one with strong RPG elements but with more date graphics or just wait for the Skyblivion mod which redoes Oblivion in the Skyrim engine. The closest new TES we gonna get is from the mod community xD since I doubt Bethesda will release something in the next 2 years or so but lets hope Microsoft will pressure em since they gotta get those $7.5 billion back somehow.
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Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines is also a RPG worth always recomending in my mind. It's not so much an open world but a really good RPG based on the pnp World of Darkness game. Good writing, dark atmosphere and gets you pretty good immersed in playing vampire in that world.
Hey, don't knock it, this games future could be the future of CP, should CDPR not survive this debacle... or should they end up dropping the game to cut their losses. Not likely, but it could happen. Then it would be on the community and modders to save it, just as Bloodline's did.