vivaxardas said:
Actually i think they have something to show us but because of gameinformer's marketing strategy/policy or whatever, we can't see it yet. Gameinformer mentioned that CDPR showed them a sample quest.
Actually i think they have something to show us but because of gameinformer's marketing strategy/policy or whatever, we can't see it yet. Gameinformer mentioned that CDPR showed them a sample quest.
They are already working on it, and not only from few months. And while I agree that they shouldn't talk a lot about Skyrim (but to be fair, they mentioned it once or twice in the announcement, and they talked about it in this video, in which they discussed other three VG, so this video wasn't only about Skyrim), they only explained what (in their opinion) are Skyrim's strenght and weakeness, what they liked and what they didn't. TES games are generally praised (and liked) for their freedom and exploration, not their stories or characters. The comment about the characters might've been exaggerated (though you can't deny that Skyrim had tons of well-fleshed and developed NPCs), but it's not exactly false.vivaxardas said:
Well clearly I'm using letters to clarify the idea.ReptilePZ said:
But either way, every open world game I can think of rewards you for exploring, one way or another. And Skyrim specifically has some cool rewards for venturing into strange places and stumbling upon journals leading to surreal quests and so on.
So I'm still asking how what he said is supposed to be something new? Since he meant it that way.
As i understand, he said that in the other examples(AC3, skyrim) you find the side quest. In tw3, the sidequest finds you.AhmadMetallic said:
I've invested over 200 hours into Skyrim and I'd have to struggle to give you 2 names. Is that on me? Am I just a moron who's not paying attention? Or perhaps Bethesda doesn't know how portray really deep and engaging characters and actually make me invested in the world. Which one is more likely? Because I remember EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER from Witcher 2. I can also name more than a few from the first game. Oh and, I'm a complete newbie when it comes to the Witcher franchise. Haven't read any books, don't know anything about the lore except what's been shown in the game, etc. Sometimes you just have to accept the truth. Don't piss in my ear and then try to convince me that it's actually raining.vivaxardas said:
I like Skyrim for what it is but, as a person who's studying game design and narratology, it's pretty lacking in both regards. In fact, Skyrim is rather bad at it. And no, I'll spare you from the dissertation explaining why it fails at what it aims at doing. This video sums up most of the problems, in case you're interested. The only thing I think people appreciate about Skyrim is the fact you're free to go wherever. Is the combat good? No, it's generic. Is the main plot good? Absolutely not, it's the same hack story - save the world from an ancient evil blah blah. There are glimpses of brilliance in the side quests, some are really creative. But are they as good as Witcher 2s side quests? No, obviously not. Are the characters well written with arcs and rich personalities. Wow, hell no on this one. Unless your standards for good writing is like Jar Jar Binks-low, I think you'll agree with me.
While RED at the same time has proven that they know how to tell a really engrossing and mature story. Now we'll see if they can create a huge world and have that as a backdrop while telling a story. I think they can considering the fact that they've already dabbled in it a bit in both games. Hell, the first one fell a bit like an MMO, and I'm sure most people will agree it's not because of the "kill x amount of y" quests.
Obviously, I like Skyrim. Hell I might even love it a bit. I wouldn't have invested 200 hours in something I fucking hate, right? But I'm not delusional. I know what it is that pulls me to that game and what makes it so compelling to, even, mainstream gamers. As someone who's been playing Bethesdas game since Morrowind, I'm in no way confused about what's so appealing about them. Same thing applies to RED and their games. They have something to show. 2 amazing games, made by a passionate team that gives a shit about their consumers. Not perfect games, by any means, but they have a charm and spirit to them, unmatched by other similar games in the market.
Right now, they're just sharing their thoughts and explaining what they aim to do with their game. Something that human beings do. Nothing wrong with that right? Besides, I'm so fucking happy that they're actually ambitious and are aiming high with Witcher 3.
Old news. We figured this out earlier today, but the hints are getting more and more numerous.AhmadMetallic said:
That's called "marketing" and "promotion". Not over-hyping.vivaxardas said:
It's promotion and it's obvious that they're talking to their fans and their audience. I can assure you, not just the kids are enthusiastic by this mood. You would be surprize of how kiddish is the mind of a fan ( see->>>>> mine
/>)Yes but there is already something to show. Alpha version maybe, and I agree there is only a few, but it's promotion as I said. They're growing peopl expectation.
Well this are my 2 cents: I'm a bit tired of all this comparison between Skyrim and TW. Open world doens't necessary mean "Skyrim-like", even tho Skyrim is among the W2 competitors in the mainstream and its community is huge. Definitely bigger than The Witcher community. I saw The Witcher 2 compared to a lot of games and it resulted to be something very different, as I expect W3 will be.
Impossible, becoz it's true: they're going after Skyrim. I think this is what they mean. Not that they're going to do something in Skyrim style, neither it seems to me there's an intention to bash Skyrim. Comparison are unavoidable anyway.
Well, whatever. I am concerned that unnecessary over-hype would hurt them later on if they do not deliver on their promises, because I kinda like CDPR. I saw Piranha Bytes crash and burn with Gothic 3, Two Worlds 1 ripped to shreds, and a lot of modern over-hyped games suffering for it. Modern gamers are not exactly shy to demonstrate their rage by bad ratings and badmouthing on forums, and more you promise harder you fall if you do not deliver. And I do not like dreaming out-loud and unsupported promises in general. CDPR are what they are, wise or not, nothing would change this. What we think about Skyrim simply does not matter concerning TW3. If they believe that they can develop two superb open-world game in the same time, in just 2-3 years and succeed, my opinion is irrelevant. We'll see what will happen in 2014.FoggyFishburne said:
Good interview. They obviously have respect for games like Assassins Creed, Fallout and Skyrim, and in this video it was clear to me they understood what made each of these games great in their comments.
This interview also highlighted the areas for improvement in each of those games, and what they believe they need to do to make the no so good portions good. In the same interview they also talk about the problems of the Witcher 2, and where they will improve mechanic wise and technology wise in the Witcher 3.
I saw this interview as a pair of developers, who are also gamers, having respect for other recent RPG games, and using lessons from those games to make their game better. Every open world RPG game will be compared to Skyrim for a long time due to its overall success. They are speaking to gamers who experienced grand RPG games for the first time with Skyrim, whilst also speaking to seasoned RPG campaigners. Their pitch was, we think we can improve in these areas, and here's how, naturally this will peak the interest of both camps.
Skyrim was great, but they want Witcher 3 to be legend........wait for it, dary.
This interview also highlighted the areas for improvement in each of those games, and what they believe they need to do to make the no so good portions good. In the same interview they also talk about the problems of the Witcher 2, and where they will improve mechanic wise and technology wise in the Witcher 3.
I saw this interview as a pair of developers, who are also gamers, having respect for other recent RPG games, and using lessons from those games to make their game better. Every open world RPG game will be compared to Skyrim for a long time due to its overall success. They are speaking to gamers who experienced grand RPG games for the first time with Skyrim, whilst also speaking to seasoned RPG campaigners. Their pitch was, we think we can improve in these areas, and here's how, naturally this will peak the interest of both camps.
Skyrim was great, but they want Witcher 3 to be legend........wait for it, dary.
I'm not thrilled with the Skyrim talk either to be honest. What I value about The Witcher is it's novelty, it's daring. Yes they said Skyrim is generic but I've seen devs become so enamored with the flavor of the month that their sequels lose what was special in the first place. ME2 is a prime example. The result is a game industry sadly lacking in originality. Just peruse GoG and its off-the-wall titles that defy categorization. Those days are long gone. As an old art professor of mine once observed about the latest art scene, "They're all so busy chasing each other, you can't tell where one begins and the other ends."
Just to add to the Skyrim off-topic: If it wasn't for the community mods, it would be like a 7-8/10 game IMO. Bethesda has the luck to have an old, experienced community which mods all that which is broken, feels silly or not properly addressed - since Morrowind. That's what I like about TES series. I don't buy them on release,I like to wait like half a year to a year before I buy. Then it's easy to find the mods that will make the game the way I'd like it (or near to it).
This is also what I've missed from TW2 (not that it had any serious stuff lacking/broken) but the way I see it, the RED Kit toolset for W2 is like a huge beta for a full-blown toolset for TW3 which (i hope) will make the game quite immortal (with the help of the community).
This is also what I've missed from TW2 (not that it had any serious stuff lacking/broken) but the way I see it, the RED Kit toolset for W2 is like a huge beta for a full-blown toolset for TW3 which (i hope) will make the game quite immortal (with the help of the community).
Biggest problem of the open world are effects of players choices -they (CDPR team) can't do it like it was in previous witchers (when we had very meaningful decisions for all locations and world -especially in witcher 2). But they want to combine those two ideas so I think it would be nice to somehow make areas what your decission affects. For example: You travel to Skelliege through mountains and open seas. Out there in some city, You have big quest (like some politics stuff or something) and if You make some decision how to do it, Your choice will have affection only in Skelliege area. If CDPR will slice that open world and make some borders for quests and their consequences, it will be much easier to do. Something like locations... but without feelable borders. Of course in Mahakam dwarves in the tavern can speak something like "do You heard about what happened in Skelliege? Bla bla bla..." but that is not big change for the world -just small feature.
Well... someone's ego is hurt :Svivaxardas said:Well, they have a strange understanding of "generic world". For them "generic world" means "NPCs do not react on player's choices, and quests are simple-minded". Well, obviously, not every minor quest leads to any sort of a reaction. Major quests do. The problem is that if you create a big world, stuff it with content, and make every, even a minor decision affect NPCs behavior, you'll be buried under a mound of scripts to write and to test, with number of broken quests and bugs increasing exponentially. There are tons of quests in Skyrim, and all miscellaneous quests are very simple. But you can't say the same about about a main quest, guild quests, and proper side quests.
Second, they do not remember even 5 names of NPCs. Well, that's too bad, and tells more about them then about the game. May be it is a memory problem, ADD or something, I do not know. I played through Skyrim twice, and yesterday I made a list of people I remember. It is about 20 names. How many would you remember from TW2 if you did not play TW1 and did not read any TW books at all?
What I see now is two very young guys, who still have nothing to show but some screens, who are still hiring personnel, are dreaming out-loud about their future game while demeaning Skyrim in the process, and the way they are doing it is pretty lame. As I see it they do not represent a solid developer very well, it is more like what we used to read on forums. People who love Skyrim would disagree, and these are people who CDPR wants to win over. Why is that? Money, you dummy.
Well, this video is not really helping to get Skyrim fans interested in a new project. We have some footage in TW2, footage of Skyrim, and no footage from TW3. They should not just talk about their game, but actually show something. It is not a comparison if you do not show the difference, just empty words. And empty unsupported words are just PR b.s. I really did not expect in from CDPR, I thought they were better then that. Plus, they openly admit that they have a second open-world game in development. Wow, they are really speedy developers.
More I see new interviews more I worry about CDPR. I am too old, I guess, to be all pumped up on unsupported promises of a perfect game. My only wish - CDPR, just stop it already, shut it, and wait till you have something to show.
Except that Skellige is apparently supposed to affect the war.
Well I mean it is one of the major choices in the game from a political standpoint so I have to assume it going to affect the war.
Obviously it's a major choice at the culmination of a long questline so we won't have that many of those, there could smaller choices throughout the game that do impact stuff in just immediate area.
CostinMoroianu said:
That is only an example -it could be any other place and I didn't mean't main quest -only sidequests so this smaller choices -but they can be as meaningful, as Loredo quest in Flotsam in W2. Main quest must affect whole world because ... well it is main quest at the end of epic game trilogy after 7 epic books!
Red Dead Redemption combined sandbox with a good story line and good graphics so if TW3 can do at least that I'd be happy though I suspect CD won't let me cause a mage war in the cities and fight off all the law enforcement for days on end.