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Complete frustration for me and why is shouldn't happen in our alternate reality

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Wolfspyryt

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#1
Jun 7, 2015
Complete frustration for me and why is shouldn't happen in our alternate reality

Firstly, I want to than CDPR for an amazing game, truly awesome in complexity and not one crash through my play time! I even managed to play with 4 Gb of ram, the countryside was fine, but Novigrad had some heavy jerko vision at times.

So what frustrated me? I havn't read the books and I understand from various forums that Triss is an afterthought to Geralt and he has only eyes for Yen.

Having said that, Andrzej Sapkowski has commented that the video games have no impact on his ongoing novels and that he would be silly to consider them at all in ongoing events. So what we have here is a separate story line in Witcher 1-3, an alternate reality if you will.

So forgetting the books as Andrzej Sapkowski finds the game irrelevant, in Witcher 1-2 I have spent a lot of time looking after Triss and vice versa and being each others love interest. Basically Witcher 1-2 have been about Geralt and Triss apart from Shani in Witcher 1.

Having saved Triss from the Nilfs in Witcher 2, I was assured she would stay with me through thick and thin, so I expected her to be with me at the start of the game, but no, she is in Novigrad after we have apparently split up! WTF!

The point is that we as an audience are playing the video game, Andrzej Sapkowski doesn't care about the video game story and has stated it will have no impact on his writing, so therefore we should not care about what his books say, we are in an alternate reality created by CDPR.

We know that Yennefer is a major interest in Geralt's life from Witcher 1-2 hence the reason we have to chose between the 2 women in Witcher 3, but the bias towards Yen is overwhelming considering what has happened in Witcher 1-2.

In my first run through playing on the hardest difficulty, giving plenty of time in cultivating Geralt's skills and his options in the world around me, I was expecting a Triss/Shani showdown decision where I would have too chose between Yen and Triss, Having kept Triss in the game and sparked my love interest with Yen as well, in order to have the showdown option as per Witcher 1, I was expecting a quest where I would have to chose, who cares if it belittles them as sorceresses, were talking about a love triangle after all. At one point Ciri says that the story is about her, not Geralt, well I disagree, its also about Geralt and his love interest.

In fact the resultant quest between the 3 of them pissed me off so much, I dropped the difficulty to 'story only' and burned my way to end of the game, All side quests were spurned so the final end game statements were a farce for me as I didn't care. I felt seriously let down by the whole thing tbh.

To be dumped back in Kaer Morhen alone made me delete all my saves and wait until CDPR sort this mess out. You guys at RED need to realise that you can't create an alternate reality with Triss as a major love interest which apparently hardly existed in the books, then virtually ignore her for 3/4's of Witcher 3.

I find Yen really annoying, you can't have a discussion with her about anything without it turning into an argument half the time, but she is tantalizing and is flirtatious fun on occasion, while be down right condescending on others. On the other hand you can chill with Triss, she is far more relaxing company, but she is a still a red head and she can still burn your bollocks if you piss her off - quite literally, but I don't think sex toys are in her vocabulary!

Imo, we need to see back story dreams or past play like when we play as Ciri. Things like the Revolt at Rivia showing a cutscene of Yennefer trying to save Geralt's life, dying in the process failing to save him. This would help in making a decision for people playing the Witcher 3 who not having played 1-2 and a reminder to the rest of us.

Watch this if you don't think we are in a alternate reality

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt?file=The_Witcher_2_Assassins_of_Kings_Enhanced_Edition_-_The_Withcer_Story_Recap

Correct me, but at 0:51 did they not say "and yet even his ONE TIME lover, the powerful sorceress Triss Merrigold could not restore his memory" thats ONE TIME lover guys from CDPR.

At 2:30, after the batlle with Aved and the Professor, they left Geralt for swamp monster fodder, but Triss, yes thats Triss again saved the Witchers life.

Also, Triss saved Geralt from Adda in Witcher 1 when it was pretty much certain death iirc.

Decisions decisions, I wouldn't care so much if this wasn't such an incredible game series, just please do your alternate reality justice and give our shoulder to lean on and love interest the time she deserves in the Witcher 3 please and give Witcher 3 players who have not played Witcher 1-2 a proper option out of Triss and Yen instead of the bias towards Yen, who in this alternate reality game world just simply doesn't deserve it. After all, after Geralt released Yen from the Wild Hunt, she couldn't even be bothered to look for him.
 
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Cirivia

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Jun 7, 2015
Just because it's alternate reality doesn't mean they can't stay true to the books. The option to romance Triss comes before Yennefer so the choices are in the game. It just seems like people are finding the littlest things to nitpick about.
 
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moonknightgog

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Jun 7, 2015
There are many flaws...in terms of the Act 3, The Wild Hunt, the White Frost and the consequences with Brothers in Arm.
At this point, I simply can't take the Triss issue seriously.
 
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Wolfspyryt

Rookie
#4
Jun 7, 2015
Cirivia said:
Just because it's alternate reality doesn't mean they can't stay true to the books. The option to romance Triss comes before Yennefer so the choices are in the game. It just seems like people are finding the littlest things to nitpick about.
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Obviously you havn't read the whole post of didn't watch the video before commenting, the books are irrelevant as the game is irrelevant to Andrzej Sapkowski. The love interest that has spanned all 3 games is hardly the littlest thing to nitpick about, grow a brain dude.

What's more, CDPR have not stayed true to the books in Witcher 1-2, they are new stories which involved Triss and a major love interest, especially when you see the video made by CDPR, so why make the books relevant now, coz they are not in the video game. We need balance, that is all.
 
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inanimate_object

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Jun 7, 2015
I think you may be too emotionally invested in a fictional female character made of binary 1s and 0s.

On the other hand, I agree that the games should not have comprimised themselves to honor the source material. CDPR had creative license to go anywhere they wanted. They did not need to be chained by the novels in any way. The books are irrelevant to the games and vice versa.
 
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Cirivia

Rookie
#6
Jun 7, 2015
Wolfspyryt said:
Obviously you havn't read the whole post of didn't watch the video before commenting, the books are irrelevant as the game is irrelevant to Andrzej Sapkowski. The love interest that has spanned all 3 games is hardly the littlest thing to nitpick about, grow a brain dude.
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I did read the whole post but what are the games based off of? The books and they are relevant becase without them we'd have no Witcher game. Yes it's alternate reality but that doesn't change the fact that Yennefer is still Geralt's first true love.
 
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Riddlin

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#7
Jun 7, 2015
moonknightgog said:
There are many flaws...in terms of the Act 3, The Wild Hunt, the White Frost and the consequences with Brothers in Arm.
At this point, I simply can't take the Triss issue seriously.
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Is it the rushed and seemingly incoherent pace of the the last Act or is it some of the poor storytelling elements?
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#8
Jun 7, 2015
The lack of Triss content is overstated in the game as you get to have a lovely date with her and the entirety of Act III to interact with her, which is roughly equivalent to Yennefer's time with you on Skellige.

The bit in the Lighthouse and the Masequerade Ball dates are very romantic and enjoyable.

There's about 30 minutes of romance with her, really.

So, overall, it's pretty good and equivalent to prior games.

Judge for yourself i you want to be spoiled.


What people are complaining about is that Yennefer plays a significant role as a supporting cast member afterward while Triss is mostly a background character.
 
Zyvik

Zyvik

Rookie
#9
Jun 7, 2015
Oh God.Another Triss thread.I thought we had enough of them.
 
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Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10
Jun 7, 2015
Zyvik said:
Oh God.Another Triss thread.I thought we had enough of them.
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To some extent, agreed. This is worse than Tali-romance on ME2's forum.
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#11
Jun 7, 2015
Cirivia said:
I did read the whole post but what are the games based off of? The books and they are relevant becase without them we'd have no Witcher game. Yes it's alternate reality but that doesn't change the fact that Yennefer is still Geralt's first true love.
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I tend to agree with the relevance of the books to the game...maybe I didn't get what the OP was getting at but, just because the author doesn't recognize the games doesn't mean the game should go off in wild directions.

Its a lot like the Timothy Zahn followup books to the Star Wars Ep 4-6. His three books finished the Star Wars universe, gave it closure and George Lucas even commented officially on it. Paraphrasing of course(cause I too lazy to get a real citation), he said 'they are GOOD stories and they are a direction he could see/understand/agree with BUT, they are NOT the end HE would write. They are NOT really official according the Lucas. Of course now he has sold the franchise to Disney and who knows what we'll get...but, I digress...

Point is, the author has the authority to do anything he wants with his books. The next one he writes he might kill off Geralt or Triss(more likely) and then where would the folks at CDPR stand? Causes some issues huh...the games have to respect the books but the author doesn't have to even know what the game's storyline is.
 
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Willowhugger

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Jun 7, 2015
Riddlin said:
I tend to agree with the relevance of the books to the game...maybe I didn't get what the OP was getting at but, just because the author doesn't recognize the games doesn't mean the game should go off in wild directions.

Its a lot like the Timothy Zahn followup books to the Star Wars Ep 4-6. His three books finished the Star Wars universe, gave it closure and George Lucas even commented officially on it. Paraphrasing of course(cause I too lazy to get a real citation), he said 'they are GOOD stories and they are a direction he could see/understand/agree with BUT, they are NOT the end HE would write. They are NOT really official according the Lucas. Of course now he has sold the franchise to Disney and who knows what we'll get...but, I digress...

Point is, the author has the authority to do anything he wants with his books. The next one he writes he might kill of Geralt or Triss(more likely) and then where would the folks at CDPR stand? Causes some issues huh...the games have to respect the books but the author doesn't have to even know what the game's storyline is.
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I think the video game universe is actually more popular than the books at this time, even though the books are extraordinarily popular (and more so because of the game).

I think the games should do their own thing while respecting the past established in the books.

They're their own thing now.

An alternate universe.
 
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Riddlin

Senior user
#13
Jun 7, 2015
Zyvik said:
Oh God.Another Triss thread.I thought we had enough of them.
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Funny...I actually thought it was an argument over the canon...the game must follow the books but not the other way around. Guess I am just numb to the Triss thing :D

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Willowhugger said:
I think the video game universe is actually more popular than the books at this time, even though the books are extraordinarily popular (and more so because of the game).

I think the games should do their own thing while respecting the past established in the books.

They're their own thing now.

An alternate universe.
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Agreed on all counts!
 
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Anima38

Rookie
#14
Jun 7, 2015
Well i agree that is not fair that Triss have a little less content then Yen even if i am not a fan of Triss Merigold love story, but at least the Triss fans got the previous 2 games focus only on her, and the books fans got nothing with Yenneffer till this last game. There is other very big thread about that, i even voted for more Triss content even if i will never romance her. I never thought that people will care so much about romancing in this game but after so many complaints about Triss romance maybe the dev. will do something about it after all. For me the romance problems are not that important, i want some other things to be fixed first, you see the act3 is a dam mess at some point, but that's just me.
 
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Willowhugger

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Jun 7, 2015
Anima38 said:
Well i agree that is not fair that Triss have a little less content then Yen even if i am not a fan of Triss Merigold love story, but at least the Triss fans got the previous 2 games focus only on her, and the books fans got nothing with Yenneffer till this last game. There is other very big thread about that, i even voted for more Triss content even if i will never romance her in the game. I never thought that people will care so much about romancing in this game but after so many complaints about Triss romance maybe the dev. will do something about it after all. For me the romance problems are not that important, i want some other things to be fixed first in the game, you see the act3 of the game is a dam mess at some point, but that's just me.
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The Witcher is an example of video games as an art form. The characters are so deep, so real that people are INVESTED in what happens to them.

Romance or otherwise.
 
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xxgwxx

Rookie
#16
Jun 7, 2015
Damn this is getting ridiculous. There's already a 250+ page thread about this issue, there's no need to create another one - really.
 
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moonknightgog

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#17
Jun 7, 2015
Riddlin said:
Is it the rushed and seemingly incoherent pace of the the last Act or is it some of the poor storytelling elements?
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Uhm...both.
 
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Wolfspyryt

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#18
Jun 7, 2015
inanimate_object said:
I think you may be too emotionally invested in a fictional female character made of binary 1s and 0s.

On the other hand, I agree that the games should not have comprimised themselves to honor the source material. CDPR had creative license to go anywhere they wanted. They did not need to be chained by the novels in any way. The books are irrelevant to the games and vice versa.
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Thank you for your concern about my emotional state, it is simply a logical coherent argument based on fact to improve the primary theme running through all the games, trust me, you needn't worry about me. Thanks for your support about the books vs the game.

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xxgwxx said:
Damn this is getting ridiculous. There's already a 250+ page thread about this issue, there's no need to create another one - really.
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Yes there is, because the other thread stays in the box and assumes the books are lore, CDPR have gone outside the box in the first 2 games and thrown the books away, hence the new thread on new discussion.

All I can say to Star Wars and alternate realities is Star Trek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMK0qLVt0UU

Say no more, everything is possible.

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Cirivia said:
I did read the whole post but what are the games based off of? The books and they are relevant becase without them we'd have no Witcher game. Yes it's alternate reality but that doesn't change the fact that Yennefer is still Geralt's first true love.
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As you have read the OP, you would then also know that I stated Witcher 1-2 made reference to Yen. I stated Yen is a major interest in Geralt's life but CDPR have seen fit to also make Triss that as well. In our video game world, things have changed, lets have some consistency.

As for Act 3 issues, the white frost etc, I burned through it so quick I cant really comment tbh, Probably will when I replay it all.
 
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xxgwxx

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Jun 7, 2015
Wolfspyryt said:
Yes there is, because the other thread stays in the box and assumes the books are lore, CDPR have gone outside the box in the first 2 games and thrown the books away, hence the new thread on new discussion.
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No, they never "threw books away". They were always CANON, because the games start when the books end, so everything that happened in the saga is relevant to the game story. The problem is with Geralt's amnesia.Every since they came up with this idea, you could expect that one day Geralt would eventually regain his memories. (because duh, it's always like that) .And he did. And this little fact changed everything, whether you like it or not. He once again became a 'book' Geralt (+amnesia).

Also I don't like dictating the devs what they 'should' do and what they should not do. It's THEIR game, their ideas. They can include as many book references as they please (or none at all). They are the authors. They could even kill Triss off, if they wished. What would you do then? I also saw some posts about Ciri, that she shouldn't be a central character because"we don't know her and don't care about her". The point is : so what? Don't deprive the makers of their freedom to do whatever the hell they want with the storyline.
 
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Randomdrowner2015

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Jun 7, 2015
The game is based on the books but diverge from the books after Geralt was killed by the boy with the pitchfork.
So the books are highly relevant. But as a foundation of the story,
 
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