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Cyberpop 2077: Did we lose the punk?

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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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#41
Oct 26, 2020
reMARKable2142 said:
“It’s not just the philosophical attitude of the punk scene and it’s not just the music,” Pondsmith said. “Everything about punk inspired Cyberpunk originally. There is an inherent type of personal rebellion that is so specific to punk, and that’s what inspired me most.”

It is this "personal rebellion" that is foremost what I think and will judge "the punk" in Cyberpunk 2077 on, and as to whether this is felt throughout V's story remains to be seen, but my Eddies are on the answer that this will be a strong "YES! THIS IS CAF!" (Cyberpunk As Fuck)

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Interesting discussion altogether so thanks to the OP, and appropriate contribution, thanks to you for that.

Note Pondsmiths repeated use of "not just" and "everything about punk" though, indicating it is in fact all these things too. I was part of the punk scene (which does still exist btw), and I'd say it was and is extremely difficult to define, no dictionary does it justice now, for instance. "Personal Rebellion" is certainly a major tenet, and can be easily pointed to from the start of the movement, e.g. the rejection of the then mainstream of communal hippiedom, but many of it's major personalities went from individualist impresarios to cult, even corporate leaders and stooges, e.g. Malcolm McLaren, Vivienne Westwood, and the masses itself became a spectrum of society as a whole, everything from nazi punks, through yuppies, fashionistas, romantics, ecologists, to anarchists... which pretty much brought the movement back to the very thing it was born to reject. So Punk is also hypocritical. That's life, eh.

If I were crazy enough to attempt a short definition it would be this, Rejection of the Mainstream. The current mainstream, always. In current PC gaming terms perhaps such rejection would be elevating story over dopamine high gameplay, graphical considerations, even the open world paradigm - for these are the current mainstream. Controversial I know, but since we're discussing putting the punk in cyber, then it's the natural progression of the thought. ;)

Must admit OP, I'm a bit concerned about the music myself, I would've expected electropunk synthwave to be... a solid option.

Oh and, I know you don't mean this Eddie, but it's entirely apropos.

 
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KakitaTatsumaru

KakitaTatsumaru

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#42
Oct 26, 2020
Rawls said:
Nah. It's definitely there.
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+1, considering how I see people reacting badly on some forum I read react to it and call it 80's parody.
 
Maelcom404

Maelcom404

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#43
Oct 26, 2020
 
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Neoyoshi-Art

Neoyoshi-Art

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#44
Oct 26, 2020
We haven't seen nearly enough of the game and it's world as much as we'd probably like to think we have; or at least I hope that's true.

Some of the most recent Nightwire content presentations may have not checked enough boxes for certain viewers, but i seriously doubt that it represents everything we'll see( likely not even a fraction ); hold tight and let's discovery the stuff they've been holding back for ourselves. :)
 
Metropolice

Metropolice

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#45
Oct 27, 2020
Neoyoshi-Art said:
Some of the most recent Nightwire content presentations may have not checked enough boxes for certain viewers,[...]
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Well, with like two and a half weeks left by now, I think anyone who hoped for different content focus will survive the very quickly closing time frame.

(I still can't believe it's about to happen. I bet I wake up any moment and look on the calendar, and it's one day after the 2012 'sneak peak' trailer was released, all of this being a dream and I'll be like "Nooooo!")

Edit: Woops, I seem to have missed the delay. But, well, you know... without it, the point would stand :p
 
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LYWormwood

LYWormwood

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#46
Oct 27, 2020
Looks alright for me...
 

Guest 4406876

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#47
Oct 27, 2020
We lost the Cyber. The first screenshot they ever released of CP WAS Cyberpunk. This is a money grabbing merchandised machine. I don't know what happened to that game, but obviously they followed the new wave of imbecillity and bad taste generated from social media to maximize sales. Very narrow sighted.
 
Metropolice

Metropolice

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#48
Oct 28, 2020
nikolaskelset said:
We lost the Cyber. The first screenshot they ever released of CP WAS Cyberpunk. This is a money grabbing merchandised machine. I don't know what happened to that game, but obviously they followed the new wave of imbecillity and bad taste generated from social media to maximize sales. Very narrow sighted.
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The question is, what do people define as "cyber(punk)" in this setting and in general?

In other words, what I mean is: Is this version differing from the ideals and themes of Cyberpunk 2020 in that sense or not?
If it is not, then comparing Cyberpunk 2077's style and themes to "other" Cyberpunk settings or universes won't be of much use, as it's unique.
We also have to keep in mind that the "father" of Cyberpunk 2020 and so on, this whole specific Cyberpunk setting, has been aboard and unless there has been a divide, you can assume it's legit from an in-universe perspective - even if you dislike the style choices.

So, to reiterate, it's perfectly fine if you don't like the style choices but that doesn't necessarily mean they went "off-lore". I myself cannot sufficiently compare, however, as I'm no Cyberpunk 2020 expert. But I assume it was given its seal of approval by its "father", Mike Pondsmith.
 

Guest 4406876

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Oct 28, 2020
Metropolice said:
The question is, what do people define as "cyber(punk)" in this setting and in general?

In other words, what I mean is: Is this version differing from the ideals and themes of Cyberpunk 2020 in that sense or not?
If it is not, then comparing Cyberpunk 2077's style and themes to "other" Cyberpunk settings or universes won't be of much use, as it's unique.
We also have to keep in mind that the "father" of Cyberpunk 2020 and so on, this whole specific Cyberpunk setting, has been aboard and unless there has been a divide, you can assume it's legit from an in-universe perspective - even if you dislike the style choices.

So, to reiterate, it's perfectly fine if you don't like the style choices but that doesn't necessarily mean they went "off-lore". I myself cannot sufficiently compare, however, as I'm no Cyberpunk 2020 expert. But I assume it was given its seal of approval by its "father", Mike Pondsmith.
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Of course when we talk about a pen and paper RPG like 2020 or books people can use their imagination to create visions of what they read most appealing to them (and Blade Runner and others took a bit chunk of art involvement in this world for visuals, after all I imagine that movie branch inspired Pondsmith to some extent as well), but following the art on books and so on 2077 differs so much, also maybe because it's on the East coast with LA vibes and also , most likely in my opinion, to make a brand that's flashy about it and Pondsmith took the right commercial choice for it or agreed to it to be more in line with nowadays likenesses, but that's my personal opinion and by no means I know what is in Pondsmith's mind. After all what is canon? Canon is what, in this case, Pondsmith deicides it is, since it is his art, his world his creation.
What I see now that is different (but without the real game running on my pc) is that it feels...idk how to put it, let's say the "candy" version of Cyberpunk. Decadent but tacky and very Glam, not serious or with no tangible desperation involved where humans are ok with it, like a comedy of Cyberpunk, but of course as I said before, I don't have the final product so we have to wait for specific opinions, all this is based just on the ads we saw so far, and I could be much wrong about it.
 
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2ndSnake

2ndSnake

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#50
Oct 28, 2020
I would really like to see some music by the band Rise Against in the game as they're my favorite band of all time.
Well... actually favorite music artist would be Buckethead, and while it would be funny trying to imagine a dude wearing a Michael Myers-esque mask and a KFC bucket on his head shredding a guitar like no one has, he more than likely wouldn't have any songs in the game. Maybe...
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atomowyturysta said:
Dude. Punk is not about clothes.
Also, Punk is Dead :)
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Punk may have died, but it was brought back to life with cybernetics and became "Cyberpunk"!
 
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Cyberway

Cyberway

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#51
Nov 4, 2020
Strangely there isnt Punk Artist as far I know. Are Rappers gonna take Punkers role?
 
superpunked2077

superpunked2077

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#52
Nov 4, 2020
Since this thread came back up - I finally finished reading "the world of cyberpunk 2077" and an interview with "rouge" at the end perfectly responds to your question - imo

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Edit- oh sorry I didnt realise that wasnt allowed. I guess just in that case read the rouge interview from the official book. it bassivly talks about how the "cyberpunk style" is just making a come back and what it actually is, from what I interpret is the devs interpetation. Buy the book! its a great read.
 
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Bloodartist

Bloodartist

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#53
Nov 4, 2020
Cyberway said:
Strangely there isnt Punk Artist as far I know. Are Rappers gonna take Punkers role?
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Uhm, Johnny Silverhand?

And I sure hope I wont be forced to listen to rappers in order to align myself with some group for story purposes..
 
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superpunked2077

superpunked2077

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#54
Nov 4, 2020
Bloodartist said:
Uhm, Johnny Silverhand?

And I sure hope I wont be forced to listen to rappers in order to align myself with some group for story purposes..
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Yeah even if you dont like silverhand he definitly fits that "punk" genre (style?) dont they?

Aslo, from the instagram posts from the mian sound dev was it? it seems like the music you are "forced" to listen to will be insturmental.
 
Bloodartist

Bloodartist

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#55
Nov 4, 2020
Johnny Silverhand does embody the "punk is dead" concept though. Maybe you can reignite it?
 
superpunked2077

superpunked2077

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#56
Nov 4, 2020
ok
 
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Bloodartist

Bloodartist

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#57
Nov 4, 2020
"Embodiment that punk is dead" was a joke, because Johnny is physically dead, and perceived as such by the world. He exists only as virtual construct.

With "Reigniting" I implied that maybe V could become a firebrand for the cause. Directed or at least influenced by Johnny. If you choose, that is.
 
xxTotexx

xxTotexx

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#58
Nov 4, 2020
All I want is for my V to wear the bitch singlet with hot pink shorts and a transparent coat :coolstory:
 
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Guest 4406876

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#59
Nov 4, 2020
What I liked about the general Cyberpunk wave back in the 90s was the contrast between flashyness (made up word but you get the idea) and the background. Between colors that get dirty and smoke around and fog and the humid, cancerous, pathetic and overwhelming (and technological and futuristic but decaying environment) gray background people lived in. That would be a nice contrast, I wonder if the game will be able to inspire that sort of division between appearance and reality on screen. I think my main problem with CP2077, again so far based on what we are allowed to see, is the absence of such contrast as we never see night, and when it's daylight everything looks so clean and perfect, yes even trash around looks perfect.

Or at least to see parts of it, it's not that everything has to be that way, after all rich blocks should be there, and usually on higher ground in a society that develops vertically.
 
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