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Mybrokenenglish

Mybrokenenglish

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#101
Feb 26, 2019
Even if we'll get there at some point, "ethics" will forbid such modifications for a looooooooong time. Of all the possible genetic modifications, everything related to the brain is the most difficult (neurology is the thing we know less about human body). The idea right now is to focus on diseases. A guy in china modified ebryos to give them resistence to HIV and a huge shitstorm came from the scientific community itself (nazis did experiments directly on humans, we don't). Of course we don't know yet if it really worked or if it fucked up those "future people".
 
NescioNomen

NescioNomen

Rookie
#102
Feb 26, 2019
Mybrokenenglish said:
Even if we'll get there at some point, "ethics" will forbid such modifications for a looooooooong time. Of all the possible genetic modifications, everything related to the brain is the most difficult (neurology is the thing we know less about human body). The idea right now is to focus on diseases. A guy in china modified ebryos to give them resistence to HIV and a huge shitstorm came from the scientific community itself (nazis did experiments directly on humans, we don't). Of course we don't know yet if it really worked or if it fucked up those "future people".
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Hmm, aren't there already programs where you can kind of "design" how your yet unborn child (read: embryo) will look like? and options for multiple gene editing against certain diseases like cancer.. i mean that's just common sense if the science is capable. For the more.. further down the line, enhancing aspects, maybe some ethics problems but if it result in a healthier, smarter, stronger person, why not..

It is the science's main purpose right? to make life easier, and man more able to succeed.
 
Mybrokenenglish

Mybrokenenglish

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#103
Feb 26, 2019
NescioNomen said:
Hmm, aren't there already programs where you can kind of "design" how your yet unborn child (read: embryo) will look like? and options for multiple gene editing against certain diseases like cancer.. i mean that's just common sense if the science is capable. For the more.. further down the line, enhancing aspects, maybe some ethics problems but if it result in a healthier, smarter, stronger person, why not..

It is the science's main purpose right? to make life easier, and man more able to succeed.
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no, absolutely not. We're not there yet. In theory, to some extent, but nothin is available to anyone.

I don't know were you live, but in several countries people's opinion is strictly connected to some ethic (i.e. catholic countries) and it's not that easy when the Vatican itself is even contrary to research on stem cells (which are definetely not human beings from a scientific point of view, but according to religion they are since they have a soul). I don't think we can speak about that on this forum. @Sardukhar can we?
 
NescioNomen

NescioNomen

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#104
Feb 26, 2019
Mybrokenenglish said:
no, absolutely not. We're not there yet. In theory, to some extent, but nothin is available to anyone.

I don't know were you live, but in several countries people's opinion is strictly connected to some ethic (i.e. catholic countries) and it's not that easy when the Vatican itself is even contrary to research on stem cells (which are definetely not human beings from a scientific point of view, but according to religion they are since they have a soul). I don't think we can speak about that on this forum. @Sardukhar can we?
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Well there's definitely something like that in the UK. Two acquaintances of mine, a couple, struggled with conceiving for many years, until they went to the UK for treatment i think. So basically it was a success, i don't know the specifics of how and what, but among the things they said they did was something like that.. a form of editing against some genetic predispositions of certain cancer forms.. was it not true? idk, but that's what they told me, and what they seemed to believe. I didn't pay it much thought other than "wow, how cool, back when i was an embryo that was pretty sci-fi".

Btw, i'm from one of the most religious country's in EU. But that's mostly the old folks and the rural people.
 
Hoplite_22

Hoplite_22

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#105
Feb 26, 2019
NescioNomen said:
Well there's definitely something like that in the UK. Two acquaintances of mine, a couple, struggled with conceiving for many years, until they went to the UK for treatment i think. So basically it was a success, i don't know the specifics of how and what, but among the things they said they did was something like that.. a form of editing against some genetic predispositions of certain cancer forms.. was it not true? idk, but that's what they told me, and what they seemed to believe. I didn't pay it much thought other than "wow, how cool, back when i was an embryo that was pretty sci-fi".

Btw, i'm from one of the most religious country's in EU. But that's mostly the old folks and the rural people.
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deeply illigal in the UK. and not really possible, we do screening for deseases but not custom babies.
 
NescioNomen

NescioNomen

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#106
Feb 26, 2019
Hoplite_22 said:
deeply illigal in the UK. and not really possible, we do screening for deseases but not custom babies.
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Aah, that was probably it then, a screening for diseases.
 
Mybrokenenglish

Mybrokenenglish

Senior user
#107
Feb 26, 2019
This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_baby (I quickly read it and it doesn't use too many scientific words, should be understandable with basic biology knowledge)

It's not like modifying DNA. Only this guy tried it (as I mentioned): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/26/chinese-scientist-creates-worlds-first-genetically-edited-babies/ (illegal everywhere, but china is a special place)
 
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NescioNomen

NescioNomen

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#108
Feb 26, 2019
Mybrokenenglish said:
This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_baby (I quickly read it and it doesn't use too many scientific words, should be understandable with basic biology knowledge)

It's not like modifying DNA. Only this guy tried it (as I mentioned): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/26/chinese-scientist-creates-worlds-first-genetically-edited-babies/ (illegal everywhere, but china is a special place)
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Right so if i'm getting this straight, it's not technically "gene editing" but more like gene selection and implantation?

But that would probably require a larger gene pool that just a couple to do effectively.

Kinda like eugenics on a very detailed, specific scale..

Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the discussion!

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Now to somehow bring this back on topic, ethics are probably a non issue in the Cyberpunk universe, since, most people are busy surviving and striving for that extra edge, and if genetic engineering could give it to them.. all the better for science, heh.
 
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Mybrokenenglish

Mybrokenenglish

Senior user
#109
Feb 26, 2019
NescioNomen said:
Right so if i'm getting this straight, it's not technically "gene editing" but more like gene selection and implantation?

But that would probably require a larger gene pool that just a couple to do effectively.

Kinda like eugenics on a very detailed, specific scale..

Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the discussion!
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yep, and the exemple of eugenics fits perfectly considering the ethic discussion about that. But again, I really don't think mods like subjects like ethics "in their kingdom". :p

You're welcome, it brought me back to the time at university when I was "fighting" with people on forums to explain science, meds, and vaccines before I surrender to the fact it's completely useless. :ROFLMAO: The nostalgy :cry:
 
NescioNomen

NescioNomen

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#110
Feb 26, 2019
Mybrokenenglish said:
yep, and the exemple of eugenics fits perfectly considering the ethic discussion about that. But again, I really don't think mods like subjects like ethics "in their kingdom". :p

You're welcome, it brought me back to the time at university when I was "fighting" with people on forums to explain science, meds, and vaccines before I surrender to the fact it's completely useless. :ROFLMAO: The nostalgy :cry:
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Well, of course all the really interesting stuff is locked behind ethics, it means it's potentially world changing and most people don't take kindly to change, until they don't have another choice, then it becomes really appealing. A.I, cybernetics, gene editing.. ah well, their time will come. The alternative is... i don't think there is one.

Wars usually have that effect.. the do now think later kind. WW1 and WW2 saw MAJOR advancements in tech and science with many later applications in all sorts of fields.
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#111
Feb 26, 2019
Mybrokenenglish said:
no, absolutely not. We're not there yet. In theory, to some extent, but nothin is available to anyone.

I don't know were you live, but in several countries people's opinion is strictly connected to some ethic (i.e. catholic countries) and it's not that easy when the Vatican itself is even contrary to research on stem cells (which are definetely not human beings from a scientific point of view, but according to religion they are since they have a soul). I don't think we can speak about that on this forum. @Sardukhar can we?
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Nope! Real world politics are a no-no. Thanks for checking though!
 
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Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#112
Mar 1, 2019
Keep in mind that although there is no police presence in the Combat Zone chances are one of the gangs (collecting "protection" money from anyone they can and keeping other gangs from muscling in on their turf) probably dominates the area and if you get too far out of line they'll enforce "street justice" on your ass.
 
Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#113
Mar 1, 2019
I don't think the Combat Zone can be as bad as Europe WW II.

People still live there and have families, people still have to buy food, do laundry, gangs need a gunshop to buy ammo at, bars and liquor stores will still be around. Will they be bad? Hell yes! Worst slum you've ever seen. Will some building be ruins? Of course. Think of it more like London then Dresden. Small areas virtually intact surrounded by swaths of devastation.
 
evotaph

evotaph

Rookie
#114
Mar 1, 2019
Thanks for this. The gangs are a topic that's been on my mind a lot lately going through my old books.
 
Tree_Fox

Tree_Fox

Forum regular
#115
Mar 2, 2019
So does a booster gang steal cybernetics? What does booster mean in this context?
 
CyberBrett

CyberBrett

Senior user
#116
Mar 2, 2019
Straight from the wiki .





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Boostergangs (or "Boosters") are a bands of street gangs, typically enhanced with cybernetic Technology. They can be benign or outright violent, and in all cases, extremely territorial. They form together out of necessity, due to the dangers of urban living — especially in the lawless Combat Zones. Boostergangs come in the following types (some gangs are more than one type), with examples from Night City.

Chromatic Metal Gang: Chromer gangs like centering activities around their favorite rock bands, interpreting song lyrics as orders from their heroes. Most Chromatic rock gangs are into totally senseless, random acts of violence as a means of expression. Some of them (such as the Silver Slash) are benign.
  • Typical Chromer Gang: Steel Slaughter Slammers

Combat Gang: Combat gangs are centered around a type of "warrior's code". Elaborate combat rituals, ranks, and body armor are all part of the mystique. Combat gangs are dangerous, because once they declare a war on someone, they never give up. Most of them occupy their time fighting each other.
  • Typical Combat Gang: Maelstrom

Cult Gang: Made up of youths dedicated to a specific belief or ideology (like aliens saviors, new-age Druids, the coming of John Frum, etc). They will pursue their goals with an extremist's zeal. Symbols and idols are typical trappings with these gangs. Most cult gangs are dangerous (because, well, they're crazy), but not predatory.
  • Typical Cult Gang: The Inquisitors

Family Gang: They form an extended family, which protects runaway children. A few older "adults" run the gangs and protect the turf, while the younger members steal and deal for family support. Extended families are territorial and fiercely protective of their members.
  • Typical Family Gang: The Bradi Bunch

Hate Gang: Regardless of race, a Hate Gang is made up of young males united around racial supremacy. Uniforms, flags and militaristic slogans are the rule. They will attack anything that they think isn't "right" (read: just like them).
  • Typical Hate Gang: Red Chrome Legion

Party Gang: They party, drink Smash, take (and deal) drugs, and mug people — all as part of a "just because" lifestyle. To these guys, The Party is everything.
  • Typical Party Gang: The Piranhas
Prankster Gang: Prankster Gangs are centered around pranks of one sort or another. This can range for the generally benign and harmless (Philharmonic Vampyres), to the dangerous and sadistic (Bozos).
  • Typical Prankster Gang: The Philharmonic Vampyres

Posergang: A poser is anyone that tries to emulate someone famous. It could be a movie star, a historical figure, or even fictional characters. There are practical benefits as well. Posers adopt the clone look for protection (they all look like), identification and impact (a score of clones can be a pretty disturbing sight). These gangs center on recreating their own bizarre interpretations of their heroes, which often includes biosculpting to look the part.
  • Typical Posergang: The Kennedys

Self-Defense Gang: They are an otherwise peaceful group who formed out of the need to defend themselves from a persistent and dangerous threat. They are relatively peaceful, as long as folks stay off their turf, and leave them alone.
  • Typical Self-Defense Gang: The Julliard
 
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JGrayatRTalsorian

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#117
Mar 2, 2019
Tree_Fox said:
So does a booster gang steal cybernetics? What does booster mean in this context?
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CyberBrett has it right. Booster gangs are so named because they focus on "boosting" themselves with chrome.
 
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Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#118
Mar 2, 2019
Hmm.
See, all this time and I never thought of the CZ as a place for loot.

But of course it is huge and ungoverned. Of course there are riches hidden there. Some on purpose and some less so.

2020 Dungeon Crawl!
 
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Suhiira

Suhiira

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#119
Mar 2, 2019
Sardukhar said:
Hmm.
2020 Dungeon Crawl!
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Somehow I'm reminded of a scenario from "Twilight 2000" where the intrepid player characters enter a bunker complex occupied by a Spetsnaz team ... this rarely ends well.
 
Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#120
Mar 3, 2019
Is China still commie in CP2020?
Did Britain fail to turn Hong Kong over when the lease expired?
 
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