Cyberpunk 2077 User Agreement Says If You Are "Mean" or Use WeMod For Their Single-Player Game They Will Ban Your GOG Account

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Are they serious with this? we all laughed when we read this thought it was a joke, maybe some kind of Corpo-LARP for Cyberpunk? They cant be serious about this...being mean? forfeits your license and accounts? using mods, console commands and wemod to get unlimited ammo/health/fast travel from anywhere, is now all a sudden a problem from the company that was founded on piracy? :disapprove: :confused:
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How exactly is not being mean a problem?
You're also on the CDPR forums, whose very first rule is that very same thing.

Besides, I'm all but certain that that part has been in every single version of every CDPR and GOG User Agreement -- including the CP2077 one -- I have read in the past 9 years, so it's absolutely nothing new. You're a bit late with your complaint.

As for "we all laughed", speak for yourself. If you don't take user agreements seriously, you have zero right to complain if your account gets banned or removed for violating them, so reading and understanding them is pretty important.
 
How exactly is not being mean a problem?
You're also on the CDPR forums, whose very first rule is that very same thing.

Besides, I'm all but certain that that part has been in every single version of every CDPR and GOG User Agreement -- including the CP2077 one -- I have read in the past 9 years, so it's absolutely nothing new. You're a bit late with your complaint.

As for "we all laughed", speak for yourself. If you don't take user agreements seriously, you have zero right to complain if your account gets banned or removed for violating them, so reading and understanding them is pretty important.

But it includes mods? For GOG and a single player CDPR game that surprises me. Maybe because CDPR thought they were gong to have a multiplayer aspect to the game originally. Then just did not change the user agreement later? :shrug:
 
But it includes mods? For GOG and a single player CDPR game that surprises me. Maybe because CDPR thought they were gong to have a multiplayer aspect to the game originally. Then just did not change the user agreement later? :shrug:
"Cheats" doesn't sound like it includes the average mod, looking at the list of examples that comes after.

But you'd need to ask them about it. I can only guess.

(That section is another one that I'm sure I've seen many times before.)

Edit: I just realized that with CP2077 they have at least once set up an option to use an older patch version of the game, specifically so that players have been able to continue their modded playthroughs.

So, I really don't think the average mod is included in "cheats".
 
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Keep in mind some kind of multiplayer features were originally intended to be added in the game (and scrapped afterward).

Because these kind of user agreements look like more or less (for me a least) to those for multiplayer games. MP games, in which if you use mods to cheat, your account can be banned obviously... (i.e wallhacks, aimhacks in shooters^^).

But for the solo, it would seem weird to include mods... above all when CDPR officially provide a mod loader and plan to add mod support on console for TW3.
 
All in all, nothing in those screenshots looks new or changed.

It's even possible they merely added sections about Mac and Switch 2, which would count as updating the user agreement. :shrug:

Would need to compare the full versions of the previous and this new agreement.

(I've not had time to read the text yet, or launch the game.)
 
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Karma’s a bitch. Be nice to people.

As for typical game mods, pretty sure that’s still allowed. I gathered they meant genuinely nefarious stuff, i.e. don’t turn the game into actual malware.
 
"Cheats" doesn't sound like it includes the average mod, looking at the list of examples that comes after.
Cyber Engine Tweaks is the requirement for most mods. And you can drop a million eddies or any item into your inventory with it. Define "cheat".

How exactly is not being mean a problem?
There are a thousand ways to be mean in the game. You can drag any lady from her car and shoot her in the face for good measure. Will this get my GOG account banned now? And what if she is black?
 
For the "cheats" part, I think that was primarily included for Gwent, as any sort of botting or exploit would obviously give the guilty party a decided advantage over other players. I really don't see a case where someone mods a single-player game so that they have god mode or unlimited ammo...and a studio goes after them. It wouldn't matter. What would anyone claim the damages are? There would be no case. For any multiplayer environment, there would certainly be damages. A strong argument could be made that it would be upsetting the in-game competition, creating an unfair/abrasive environment for what was created as a sportsmanlike challenge, and driving off future sales.

So no, I wouldn't worry about modding Cyberpunk or the Witcher however you want in terms of "cheating". It's an SP game. It's meant for a single person to enjoy their time. Make it as difficult or easy as you'd like.

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For the "don't be mean end" -- you bet. If someone was to make a mod that introduces any sort of hostile view toward a real-world group (race, gender, politics, etc.), that sort of thing would now be directly tied to the game in question. A studio would have every right to say, "We will not allow our IP to be connected with that." Freedom to mod a game does not mean freedom to break laws with it. Law still applies.

In this sort of situation, I think the problem would not necessarily be the creation of the offending content; it would be the distribution of the offending content. That would be the same thing as posting a big "FU" sign on the sidewalk in front of a restaurant. Yes, it may technically be on "public ground", but it makes the restaurant seem connected by association. That could prevent people from comfortably using the establishment and detract from sales or generate interruption of business if people off the street came in to complain. And, it's wholly non-constructive. The law would almost invariably be on the side of a private business to have the offending content removed.

It goes right back to the tenets of most law: Your rights are your right unless they infringe on the rights of others.

Everyone has a right to speak their thoughts, but no one has the right to force others to hear their thoughts. And no one has the right to interrupt the intended purpose of a business to further their own personal politics on a subject. They need to find the appropriate forum. Another person's IP is not an appropriate forum if the thoughts in question are hostile/destructive in nature.

So, yes, I would imagine a studio in that situation would legally be able to say, "Take down that mod; we're not going to be associated with that sort of message."
 
Yeah, I think it's mainly about the use of cheats and trainers. No idea why this type of modification could be problematic for a singleplayer game, but the more important thing for me is: Cyberpunk is out there for 5 years now. I do not recall this ever being an issue, despite many people using thousands of mods. Witcher 3 is out there even longer, and this hasn't been an issue either (I believe there is also a part in the EULA about cheats and hacks since day 1).

As for "don't be mean" ... unfortunately there are quite a lot of people, who can be pretty rude, so sadly it's necessary to add something like that.
 
I think some people are misunderstanding the scope of the agreement? “Games and/or services”. E.g. how you behave to others on this forum; how you submit bug reports to support, etc.
Yes, it's definitely part of it.

Basically CDPR is declaring that it will not tolerate unfair play, hate, or anything that could be considered illegal activity.

Which, again, has nothing to do with SP games and what a private person decides to do privately in private. I mean, if you want to turn V into a lizard creature with the ability to fly and one-shot every boss in the game...who's going to know? Have at it.

I also don't see a problem with something like that being offered as a mod. It may be utterly ridiculous, but everyone is free to either use it or pass. It affects no one except the individuals who purposely choose it. Very different from a mod promoting sexism, racism, or violence against a real-world group. Simply advertising that is a legal offense.

Everyone worried about being flagged for "cheating" in CP2077 or TW1-3 can rest easy. Go nuts. Turn V into someone that could one-shot Homelander. Whatever. It's for fun.
 
CDPR also does have multiplayer games, GWENT and the Witcher Adventure Game, so the section about cheats might be aimed mostly at those (and, realistically, basically just the former of the two).
 

"Cyberpunk 2077 User Agreement Says If You Are "Mean" or Use WeMod For Their Single-Player Game They Will Ban Your GOG Account"

Pretty sure they "mean", in addition to being mean to other forumers, when you're mean during direct communication with them, that you're banned, which I wholly agree with. You have to understand that this particular dev-team received, according to the player-base, ever so much needed constructive feedback since Cyberpunk's launch.

Constructive feedback, that was in truth perceived by CDPR as nothing less than unrelenting harassment!

Concerning using cheats and mods, strictly guessing, but it could be that some countries where such practices are not allowed, (Yes, such countries exist!), you need to mention in your User Agreement that you do not allow such practices as a formality, to get permission to sell your IP in those countries. Only speculation.

One such country, Japan.


"Are mods allowed in Japan?"

"In Japan, modding video games and consoles is generally illegal and can lead to fines and even imprisonment. This is due to Japan's Unfair Competition Prevention Law, which prohibits the modification of game save data and consoles. Violators could face fines up to 5 million yen (approximately $46,000 USD) or potentially imprisonment."

So, think that when you live there, watch your toes. If in another country where there're no such prohibitions? Can take the cheat/modding part with a grain of salt.
 
If you do it in a stream, video, or other content, in a way that makes it clearly sexist, racist, or otherwise hateful, then I don't see why it couldn't.

CDPR wouldn't wants its products used as a tool of hate -- which I'm sure is the whole point of that section, apart from legal reasons that no doubt exist.
So who can you kill if you are doing a stream. Sexist and Racist have drastically changed in meaning since it's been thrown out as an insult to someone who disagrees with you?

So can we get an official word on which fictional characters are safe to kill without offending anyone

The whole situation is a slippery slope
 
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