Remember some of the musical devices I linked in the soundtrack thread? DJs are a legitimate Rockerboy style too. No instruments needed, just samples.
Good real life examples:
Deadmau5
Daft Punk
Both are already quite Cyberpunkish as well.
Can they have something like a Dubstep gun too?Remember some of the musical devices I linked in the soundtrack thread? DJs are a legitimate Rockerboy style too. No instruments needed, just samples.
Good real life examples:
Deadmau5
Daft Punk
Both are already quite Cyberpunkish as well.
You know like in Saints Row 4.. (This is kind of a joke of course, but as much as i hated SR4, that gun was cool) Or at least a gun that plays music when you shoot.. 
I will probably try out all the classes and then choose the one with the best-looking weapons as my main class.
Musiccal guns, not to my taste i'm afraid. But instruments made into weapons works for me:Can they have something like a Dubstep gun too?
If CDPR do it right, there will be no limits on what gear is available to any of the roles/classes. I have never understood the idea that you can only use a specific type of gear with a specific career path. It's just never made sense to me.I will probably try out all the classes and then choose the one with the best-looking weapons as my main class.
Not my taste either, i don't think i would ever pick it up if it were in the game, (as i stated it was meant as a joke) but i imagine it would work for a rockerboy.. Or at least a weapon shaped like an instrument..Musiccal guns, not to my taste i'm afraid. But instruments made into weapons works for me:
If CDPR do it right, there will be no limits on what gear is available to any of the roles/classes. I have never understood the idea that you can only use a specific type of gear with a specific career path. It's just never made sense to me.
Oh, I get it. Gear access in ames is often dependent on proficiency. There really isn't any reasonable way for a musician to become proficient in driving an M1Abrams tank, or becoming a SAP Consultant, without a total change of career. It's not as simple as spending skill points. You need infrastructure, time, personal resources....by the time you're done, you've swapped from "Fixer: Low Level Drug Dealer" at 16 to "Solo: Heavy Weapons Specialist" at 23.
CP2020 handles this fairly well, mind you, as long as you treat Roles as being mutable and changeable. The basic rule makes it pretty much impossible for one Role like MedTech to cross over in any but the simplest ways into the Corporate Role and vice versa.
In terms of gear availability, although arguably a powerful Corp can get -any- kind of gear, his possession of a Main Battle Tank would be crazy unlikely, whereas a Techie or Solo might have one from his time in the Forces.
What I'm saying is, money isn't the only factor in obtaining many kinds of gear and certain Roles have access to things other Roles do not.
CP2020 handles this fairly well, mind you, as long as you treat Roles as being mutable and changeable. The basic rule makes it pretty much impossible for one Role like MedTech to cross over in any but the simplest ways into the Corporate Role and vice versa.
In terms of gear availability, although arguably a powerful Corp can get -any- kind of gear, his possession of a Main Battle Tank would be crazy unlikely, whereas a Techie or Solo might have one from his time in the Forces.
What I'm saying is, money isn't the only factor in obtaining many kinds of gear and certain Roles have access to things other Roles do not.
While character classes make good sense in multi-player games they tend to be overly restrictive in single-player games.
In a multi-player game you want to make sure each player can add something unique and valuable to the team.
In a single-player game you're often forced to skip/ignore some game content because you're not "X" class. So to experience the entire game you have to replay it multiple times, once as each character class, to get the 1 or 2% of the game content you missed the first time.
Also character classes tend to be overly restrictive.
Real world example:
I grew up on a farm so learned basic agriculture, husbandry, mechanics, plumbing, and electricity by the time I was 18.
Then I spent 20 years in the military and added combat rifleman, intelligence analyst, and nuc/bio/chem warfare specialist by the time I was 38.
I went to college and got a BS in Computer Science and worked for another 24 years as a programmer/analyst and info/tech manager by the time I was 62.
No way could a character in a class-based game system have such a mish-mash all at reasonable skill levels.
In a multi-player game you want to make sure each player can add something unique and valuable to the team.
In a single-player game you're often forced to skip/ignore some game content because you're not "X" class. So to experience the entire game you have to replay it multiple times, once as each character class, to get the 1 or 2% of the game content you missed the first time.
Also character classes tend to be overly restrictive.
Real world example:
I grew up on a farm so learned basic agriculture, husbandry, mechanics, plumbing, and electricity by the time I was 18.
Then I spent 20 years in the military and added combat rifleman, intelligence analyst, and nuc/bio/chem warfare specialist by the time I was 38.
I went to college and got a BS in Computer Science and worked for another 24 years as a programmer/analyst and info/tech manager by the time I was 62.
No way could a character in a class-based game system have such a mish-mash all at reasonable skill levels.
I think (actually hope) the developers are going for this design choice to add to replay value. But change those 1 or 2% to into 30 to 40% difference in character development and another 40 to 50% difference in story development. This way classes would play considerably different. I, for my part, wouldn't mind that restrictiveness at all, as long as it's making sense, not to have access to things. But that's just a matter of how you create the world and tell the stories.
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actually 40 to 50% is a bit much change in story development coming from just a choice of class. Story development should be mainly decided by in game choices.
Actually, I suppose you could have easily as many skills as Suhiir in CP2020 if you assigned enough skill points, no problem. And that's kind-of class based.
Also, Suhiir, what's life like at 62? Are you any smarter than at 40? Because BY GOD I keep waiting to be as clever and tough as my father or his father and it still hasn't bloody happened yet.
Also, Suhiir, what's life like at 62? Are you any smarter than at 40? Because BY GOD I keep waiting to be as clever and tough as my father or his father and it still hasn't bloody happened yet.
Smarter?
Well .........
If by "smarter" you mean "learned from my mistakes" then yes.
Simply because by this age you've had more chances to make new and creative ones.
From a purely practical (development time = money) perspective it's rather unlikely any game developer would have more then a minor fraction of the games content unique to any specific "character class" or "character decision".
Of course all the players would LOVE to see more then 5-10% of a games content unique, but do you really want to see games take 30% longer to create and cost 30%+ more to buy?
Yes, because I would probably play them for 500% longer.
Same here. Lately I really tend to restrict myself to just buying games that keep me satisfied and interested for 100+ hours. If I had a game that would tell
like 3 mostly different stories even within one single setting (NIght City) I'd very probably play at least double the amount happily (though there are many factors deciding here). If a developer would manage to provide me that I'd gladly pay 50% more - if only for setting new standards for the genre
Can anyone tell me how it is that in Night City someone gets to climb the ladders of a corporation?
Does your character grow up in a wealthier family, go to school like a nice kid and follows dads/moms footsteps?
Or can you work yourself up starting as a cybernetically enhanced worker if you're smart enough?
Does your character grow up in a wealthier family, go to school like a nice kid and follows dads/moms footsteps?
Or can you work yourself up starting as a cybernetically enhanced worker if you're smart enough?
I believe the paper pushers are the ones who are more concerned with climbing the corporate ladder, not so much the blue collar workers.
1. If you're starting out from the gutter, start by getting yourself a crappy job behind a desk.
2. Proceed by engaging in the usual workplace shenanigans until an opportunity for advancement presents itself. Once the solos you've hired have disposed of your immediate superior's body you apply for the position. Eliminate all competitors.
3. Once you've been promoted, invest your raise into more personal security, enhancements, and whatever the hell else you can think of.
4. Repeat steps 2 through 4 indefinitely.
Deadbolt has made a reasonable image of the corporate ladder game.
If that didn't do it for you, have an excerpt from the 2020 core rulebook:
If that didn't do it for you, have an excerpt from the 2020 core rulebook:
thanks - I was trying to imagine how a npc having nothing could have reached the prospect of a place at the top levels of the food chain. deadbolt_don starting his image from the gutter to desk-job-perspective actually pretty much nailed it.