Yes, cause not broken combat system clearly prevents CP2077 from being RPG.
If I understand your perspective any game that's not a top-line FPS has a broken combat system.
Hate to break it to you but a good many folks disagree.
You don't. I said, that combination of 100% stats based accuracy, and real time combat/aiming simply does not work together. CDPR said that combat will be in real time. Ergo, real time with (again) 100% stats based accuracy does not work together.
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For me combat can be turn based, real time with active pause, FPP, TPP, whatever. Just don't try to eat a cake, and have a cake. Choose one solution and stick with it, make it the best possible experience.
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My apologies.
Just because no one has yet found a way to make stats-based and real-time mesh doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible.
I'm not the type to accept something as impossible simply because conventional wisdom says it is.
Good thing for humanity some people think the same way.
If man were ment to fly he'd have wings.
640K is more memory then anyone will ever need.
Side issue - Gates never said this. Quite the opposite. Go figure, Internet.
I found Bloodlines tolerable. Alpha Protocol the same. The combat didn't thrill me, but ti was better than Deus Ex. Not sure what exactly Nars didn't like about the Bloodlines crosshair/stat-modified shooting. Or Alpha Protocol.
It is a fallacy that because you point the crosshair, you should see the bullet go there and that is realistic. It is not. I've always found it a little annoying.
So I don't mind the bullet striking off-center. In fact, I would prefer it, and then have that modified by....wait. This whole subject should be somewhere else.
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http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/27012-Combat-system?p=1352342&viewfull=1#post1352342
BACK TO YOUR ROLE CHOICES AND WHY.
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Also people keep bringing the subject like "hovering the cursor of the mouse over the exact spot you want shot is ability". It's not. An untrained or less so trained character shouldn't have it that easy. You have to take into account destabilizing factors like weight, movement and kickback and also take into account that a cursor can at best make up for an ironsight or laser sight. If you don't have those aiming aides and it's your first shot, you shouldn't know where the shot is exactly going to land. I think the crosshair thing in games like DE is the best way it can be done. If your character is a bad shot, then all his shots will be scattered and he will regain aim after a much longer period of holding the gun still, while the weapons specialist will acquire aim in a negligible span of time and his shots will be that much more focused. In an RPG stats must have SOME effect. I'm all for giving the player's skill some agency but a mouse is not a gun, and the player being able to hold the cursor between the enemy's eyebrows shouldn't be the reason to have say a Media or Rockerboy character with no training in guns perform like the best marksman ever.
it is.
Also, designing your own drugs and/or cyberware is prettttty hilarious.
@decatonkeil "I'm all for giving the player's skill some agency but a mouse is not a gun, and the player being able to hold the cursor between the enemy's eyebrows shouldn't be the reason to have say a Media or Rockerboy character with no training in guns perform like the best marksman ever."
I'd say this sums up quite nicely why stats and the lack thereof should be a fundamental affecting factor in this RPG - because without certain skills, you should not be able to do what that Role can do. Whether that is shoot a gun or patch a bleeding lung.
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Then question the skill, or the way it's done. DA:O was dumb. It basically locked down some dialogue options, no matter how charming and intelligent your character was. Fallout 2 did it better (still, it wasn't ideal) - empathy allowed you to see good and bad dialogue choices and this is the way perks such as manipulation or negotiation should go. Don't lock away the option for people who are intelligent enough. Simply highlight it, so it's still possible, but not as easy to pick in the midst of other options the player has. Especially when you can try to seduce, intimidate or use some knowledge-based options. If you reduce choices to "get this skill", then playing as Media or Rocker Boy would have even less sense for me.
"Player's choice of option A or B" is part of RPG gaming, where you make your calls. The difference between RPGs and cRPGs is that in cRPGs you have to make "a list" of choices, because you can't type in whatever you like due to limitations of technology. And by your own logic your ability to put a crosshair on a target should be limited by your stats and skills.
So rather then having character skills that effect how your character interacts with others you'd rather see all dialog options open to everyone?
DA: O didn't even have an "intelligence" or "charasima" stat, it had "coresion" and the "persuade" skill so it used those to determine how well your character could convince others.
And yes, your ability to put a crosshair on target SHOULD be limited by your stats and skills, absolutely! If your character skills are irrelevant to persuasion and combat then the game is not an RPG it's an FPS.
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If you are playing a "dumb" character, he may not be able to come up with an intelligent response. If you play a strong character he should be strong. Would you allow a player who is an engineer or a doctor who not only hasn't invested in the proper skills but has got negative qualities that make him totally inept for those tasks, to just impart a magistral class on engineering or medicine to justify why this type of character should be able to use engineering and medicine? No. If players aren't playing themselves but other people with different qualities both positive and negative than theirs, be it because it's their fantasy or, well, because they want to role play, put themselves in the shoes of others, that's how things should be. If a player that is totally ripped in real life wants to play a wimp, you wouldn't have him somehow infusing his real world strength into his wimpy character. Why would you allow someone to transfer his intelligence to a character that has a low intelligence stat?
Absent? Not at all. MUCH less accurate then a character with the appropriate weapon skill, definitely.
Ah, that's fair. Just wanted to confirm that that is what y'all meant.
I have to disagree. People think RPG is about having skills and stats, because first cRPGs originate from PnP, while true RPG is about role playing. PnP is just mechanic behind it and a video game itself is mechanic enough. That's why I think people should be more creative when it comes to proposing solutions, instead of sticking to the old schemes.
Not all. I want to differentiate between not being able to do something (because I am too dumb, for example) and between not being able to succeed, but still being able to try to.
Yes, some things I can't do, until I get knowledge required for it. Or I can try to do it, but fail. Take meds as an example of this - you can read the label and you can decide on using certain pills or not. Still, meds from cheap, unreliable source can be of lower quality (if aren't outright dangerous to take) or mixed up. You need either experience to know what pills you need or knowledge. But you still can take these pills if situation is dire enough. NEO Scavenger has a very good system - you can take perk that allows you to identify meds, or you trust the labels on the box, or you simply know which pills are which, because you're experienced pill taker.
It's all about having a choice.