4RM3D;n10535902 said:
I'm sure that was not the one he got as a gift *spoilers know where*.
Modern 1277 bards always carry spares in case of emergency.
I'm sure that was not the one he got as a gift *spoilers know where*.
Modern 1277 bards always carry spares in case of emergency.
TheZirrKing;n10535602 said:
He doesn’t provide card advantage. He plays a card and draws one so he’s a -2 +1 making him a minus one play, he isn’t a spy.
He only provides an extra 6 points to whatever play you could already make (with the exception of allowing you to draw a card first and then choose). He thins your deck by 1 and adds 6 points of tempo, he’s not a broken card. He’s no different than Sile and Vilgefortz who also thin your deck by 1 card and add 6-8 points to a play you could already make (Sile from your hand and Vilgefortz from the top of the deck; Dandelion can do both).
no just in a different way... Vilgefortz destruction is actually pretty spectacular considering it has no restrictions (other than Immune). most decks that use him won't want to to just trade him out because he's removal tech.TheZirrKing;n10535562 said:
TheZirrKing;n10535602 said:
Wait what?
How does D
oet + Gold weather is an auto win? We dealt with Gold weather pulling out Roach turn one and survived, it was strong but perfectly manageable.In fact D
oet is an even weaker synergy dispite being 2 points over Roach since 1/ He's a gold so you play half your entire gold pool with this combo and 2/ He can brick....Roach + Gold weather couldn't, she was guaranteed to come out.I don't really think this card being too strong, in fact you're mentioning D
oet + Dikjstra but Poet is clearly not the card to be looked at in this combo if you ask me...
Last edited:
MaximumSquid;n10537872 said:
Welcome to the community then!
Counter Spell? What do you mean? Which card?
MaximumSquid;n10537872 said:
Welcome here mate!
And about Morenn, I think she will be pretty good indeed, especially since there is a lot more special played in the game now.
It's difficult to evaluate if she has more or less potential than Poet though, we'll see when they come out I guess.
GenLiu;n10539202 said:
As Megamogwai said approximately, she actually is a slightly worse version of Aglais. Because if the opponent doesn’t play a spell, she stays flipped over. While Aglais can still be 9 points even if her effect doesn’t go off. As well, Aglais can choose the card she wants to use and when. Morenn makes it so neither of you use it, and Aglais is so you both can use it. At least right now that’s the impression. Worst of all, many decks almost don’t use any special cards or only use one.
EternalJxx;n10539322 said:
Gold Morenn and Aglais...What a odd comparition.
But I understand what he means and yes, I though about this too. Still, I think a counter in Gwent is valuable. Her playability and power will depend on the meta imo.
If the meta is very special oriented she's gonna be everywhere otherwise she'll stay at bay (like....like....Aglais! Holly molly I'm doing the same lol).
This is essentially why I said she's difficult to evaluate, she's very powerful but requires a specific envirronment to shine.
MaximumSquid;n10537872 said:
I can't blame a new player for thinking that. I'm guessing you are referring to Morenn Forest Child? I liked that card when it was a silver. As a gold I'm just not a big fan of it. If your opponent doesn't play that special card then it's worth ZERO points. That's a pretty big risk to be able to completely waste a gold card. Then you have locks and such that can stop it's affect.
Dandelion Poet will probably be nerfed. It's just too useful.
GenLiu;n10540402 said:
I can see her having a home in handbuff and mulligan elves, which both build up big late game finishers they'd REALLY like scorch protection for. While I understand mogwai's math on her, I feel it's a little off. If I Morenn a Scorch that would have killed my 25+ creature, being able to aglais that scorch isn't going to help if the next biggest creature is a 9 or even worse, is still mine.
The big issue is that Gigni still exists, and is most people's choice of removal. I really like that she's a thing, and I can see her seeing common use, if not enough to make ambush a worthwhile mechanic. I think she'll be a grower, too, as more specials enter the game over time and more people play them. Now, a turn 2 opener of Morenn is going to be a pain for some decks, especially weather decks who really want to throw down a lot of stuff quick.
iamthedave;n10541222 said:
She's going to be a pain in the deck lol
You're right, she can be a big problem for different gameplan but they have to be prevalent in the meta.
It's not the type of card that is meant to be overwhelming and spectacular like Dijkstra or Ciri Nova for example but she's certainly a strong card and a very important one at that since she's gonna keep at bay every OP deck that can come out with special cards as a key component of their engine.
And this is indeed where you can compare her to Aglais, the card effect is obviously strong but the meta needs to go in a certain direction for it to be good.
This is the reason why opinions are so different about Aglais, some people claiming she's great, others say she's shit. But she basically depends on the meta and for me, she's a very good unit but she can only shine if the best decks in the meta plays powerful special cards.....And so does Morren by the way, if a special based deck become a tiers one, it's gonna have a bad time against Scoia'tael, that's for sure.
Forest Child is in no way comparable to Aglais.... Aglais depends on your opponent having something useful to you in their GY... FC doesn't matter if it's useful to you, only that the opponent has and uses a special card at all... now look through your decks, and see how many you have with NO special cards... and if you find one, ask yourself how effective that deck is? a 6 body that bricks your opponents next special? that's not meta dependent at all, that's pure power. you play it early to mid round and it's a guaranteed advantage.
Void_Singer;n10543532 said:
I think she's probably going to be best played a round up, since the opponent will have to play their best stuff to try and win round 2. Once she's in the meta people will definitely start playing around her.
Void_Singer;n10543532 said:
Except you have to counter something really relevant in order to get good value out of her. You don't want to counter a clear sky because at the end of the day, Morenn is just a 6 points Gold.
So, imo she will depend on the meta, 1/Because the special you counter has to be very strong and 2/Because she's very easy to play around. You can sacrifice a lower value special or simply not play your special at all.
partci;n10543862 said:
Recon seems a pretty weak value for a gold card though. I'd really want to hit scorch or artifact compression. I think her big problem is a lot of decks have their power stuff tied to creatures rather than casted spells. On the other hand, if you shut down a single alzur's thunder you've put yourself in a good position. I mean, Isengrim into Morenn puts you up by 10 versus merc into thunder. There's a bigger real gain there than if they get it off and you then wait to Aglais something later, as you've pretty much forced them out of the round, since your next play should put you 20ish points ahead.
HenryGrosmont;n10543852 said:
There isn't one. The argument goes 'adds +6 onto whatever card is played, deck thins, and allows for coinflip abuse/bigger gold weather'. The problem is that it's all theorycraft. Poet should be powerful, but there are tons of decks that won't use him. People see potential abuse and therefore assume everyone will gun for it, not paying attention to how many decks already have their gold slots in place and can't fit him in without damaging their game plan.
The biggest worry seems to be that DP plus a certain combination of cards could allow spies to be played for a + rather than minus or negligible loss (DP + roach into spy is -4, DP into roach into Hym into spy is only -2, for example).
Personally, if people want to devote a gold slot to that, they're welcome to it. I'd rather just take power golds and win.
Last edited: