Dear CDPR Web Developers/Designers...

[KingHochmeister]

Thing is, that's just your opinion. Sure, YOU feel there's no need for this attention on the age gate. But I do. So who's right and who's wrong? Well, since it's an opinion, neither of us are right or wrong. I have been in MANY forums, and, sad to say, it is common behavior that when someone states an opinion (for example, if I say "Vanilla is my favorite ice cream flavor", then anyone who doesn't share that opinion usually defaults to a defensive stance, where they (illogically) presume that 'Well, I like chocolate most, and if this guy doesn't like what I like, then he's judging me, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let them judge me" They then attack the first person, even though it's nothing more than an opinion. I would love for a psyche major to give me the fine details on why this type of behavior is so common, but it's more than a coincidence that I've seen it for what feels like a hundred+ times online.

Or maybe it just has to do with when someone states a lot of information about a topic, like I did on UI. Or maybe people thought that I was bashing on CDPR, and they has some kind of subconscious desire to defend CDPR by becoming combative. I don't know, the human psyche is a pretty f*cked up thing no matter how you look at it.

I will ignore the subtle insults to my psyche, but I wasn't defending CDPR, I saw that you were comparing a european company's Timeline to the American timeline and I snapped, due to unfortunate experiences with some "holier than thou" americans, but I shouldn't have instantly labeled you as one of them, my bad.

But yes, I agree, they should implement the dd/mm/yy instead of the current timeline they have, hopefully they will sort the demands out from the "argument"

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

Ice cream makes some people fart, but it tastes good.

 

[KingHochmeister]

Ice cream makes some people fart, but it tastes good.

True

 

[Aegis_Kleais]

Its for Admin to decide what to do, no one else, if the like the idea they will change it. No reason why you have to prove your point to anyone. This thing is more for legal reasons nothing else, its kinda annoying for sure and if you can make entering website quicker I dont see how is that a bad thing.

That's pretty much what a suggestion is. Not a demand by any stretch o' the imagination.
@King_Hochmeister
Solidarity. I think when it comes to stupid, ignorant people, there's no country which can absolve itself of that. Stupidity knows no boundaries, am I right? And good on you with the apology. I have a lot of a respect for a person who can state that. Kudos.

 

[Aegis_Kleais]

Ice cream makes some people fart, but it tastes good.

When you say "...it tastes good.", are you referring to the ice cream... or the farts?

Follow-up question. Why are you tasting farts?
Follow-up follow-up question. Are you killing 2 stones by tasting fart-flavored ice cream?

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

When you say "...it tastes good.", are you referring to the ice cream... or the farts?

Follow-up question. Why are you tasting farts?
Follow-up follow-up question. Are you killing 2 stones by tasting fart-flavored ice cream?

I was talking about ice cream, not ass cream.. lol

Hey,
can I fart in your mouth?

 

[GuyNwah]

Although Lieste is right about ISO date format being the most useful, presenting or requiring ISO date formats would be a far worse imposition than the European customary format is.

The forum shows the US flag for the English language, leading to the expectation that it is localized for US. The fact that it isn't causes US users to hesitate. It's a legitimate complaint, but making more than one post and one tech support request on the subject is more than enough.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

I find the idea of using flags for languages to be bad in general. Because it's not 1:1 relation at all (in all kind of senses).

 

[GuyNwah]

I find the idea of using flags for languages to be bad in general. Because it's not 1:1 relation at all (in all kind of senses).

ISO codes are much worse. Apple's Choose Your Country is pleasing, but any list of language or country names gets long quickly. Do you have a better alternative in mind?

 

[Lieste]

Proper "English English", and "Foreign Language".

English is the Lingua Franca, and it is time that it was recognised as such. :listen:

 

[GuyNwah]

Proper "English English", and "Foreign Language".

English is the Lingua Franca, and it is time that it was recognised as such. :listen:

Which English? US, British, Indian?

CDPR's core market is in countries where English is not anything like a "lingua franca".

Trying to cram every use of the Web into commercial English is the opposite of creativity and user-friendliness.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

ISO codes are much worse. Apple's Choose Your Country is pleasing, but any list of language or country names gets long quickly. Do you have a better alternative in mind?

From the the UI perspective I don't like multiple selectors visible at the same time (like above on the forum). A better approach is one selector with a list of options which are shown when you click on it. The selector can have some specific image (for example language icon or the like) and choices inside can be explicit names or ISO codes which are OK in the list.

 

[Lieste]

Which English? US, British, Indian?

CDPR's core market is in countries where English is not anything like a "lingua franca".

Trying to cram every use of the Web into commercial English is the opposite of creativity and user-friendliness.

I was trying to be silly. Lingua Franca means "the language of the Franks", so it is as ludicrous as our using the Turkish Knight St George as the Patron Saint of England.

Still English should really be BBC English, rather than 'orrid Americanisms.

 

[GuyNwah]

From the the UI perspective I don't like multiple selectors visible at the same time (like above on the forum). A better approach is one selector with a list of options which are shown when you click on it. The selector can have some specific image (for example language icon or the like) and choices inside can be explicit names or ISO codes which are OK in the list.

ISO codes are jargon and should never be exposed to users; I draw a line against doing that. I like Apple's "national symbol and country name in the language", it works for the different renderings of Mandarin, for the languages spoken in Switzerland, for the national variations of English, and it makes a not-too-bloated list.

 

[volsung]

I think flags are OK to denote languages. Nobody speaks an actual language, we all speak dialects. It was said that "a language is a dialect with an army and navy", meaning it simply is a generalization of the common features that describe the way it is spoken, much like countries comprise former kingdoms or autonomous regions united under a flag. When we choose a UK flag we expect English because it's the language associated with it, same with Poland or Spain. With the US and every other country in the Americas it's different because their current official languages were implanted.

But since languages constitute a model of the world, maybe other elements should also be translated, like the date format.

And no, the internet should NOT be all in "English".

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Flags / national symbols don't work because there are languages which aren't official in any country and even official languages are shared between countries. There should be other ways.

 

[GuyNwah]

Flags alone aren't enough. They cause trouble for multilingual countries (Switzerland, Canada, India, and many others), they don't distinguish different renderings of a language, such as the multiple input methods and character sets of Mandarin, and they can even offend patriots of countries that share a common language.

Names alone aren't distinctive enough to support rapid selection, unless you pretty much devote a whole page to it, like BBC does: BBC News in Languages

There is no ideal answer. I think Apple's comes closest.

 

[dragonbird]

Works for this site though, as there are only the two options to choose from.

 

[Aegis_Kleais]

Wow. Topic kinda shifted, but a nice discussion about localization issues. I like the point made that you cannot assume a language based on the country or its flag. Good point.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

@Aegis_Kleais: Same way around - you can't assume a country based on the language, since some even don't have such direct association.