I don't think Jackie ever used a double jump, but V definitely did.
Actually, maybe he did, to follow her into the vents?
Anyway, you're right about the sound. Definitely a cyberware thing.
Actually, maybe he did, to follow her into the vents?
Anyway, you're right about the sound. Definitely a cyberware thing.
There was a moment shortly before facing Royce in a battle, when I think he did make a very high jump, making the same kind of sound in the process.
yeah, I noticed that, but it would be a huge turn off if you unlock this kind of skills when levelling up instead of buying cyberlegs that allow double jump, or eyes with x-ray vision (seen in the demo as well) as it was in TW3 (geralt learns how to deflect arrows or cast signs' alternative mode and stuff like that, even though he's an old master witcher, close to 100 years old as vesemir says in white orchid).
It's really a matter of attention to details => immersion.
I confirm that jackie does an high (or double) jump just after the mantis blade scene.
I wonder if they changed double jump with an high jump. That would be a more realistic feature. I'm fine with double jump as long as they give a brief in-game explaination.
Ah, something else I'm sure they changed: when you choose V's backstory, they must have included some brief descriptions for events and childhood heros. They can give for granted that all players know who/what arasaka is.
What if the shooting is now tactical with maybe a vats? is that a total nono. maybe with a grid system on the ground?
i personally would hate that, i really liked the shooting in the 48min gameplay trailer.
i personally would hate that, i really liked the shooting in the 48min gameplay trailer.
Very unlikely. If such a system existed, it would most likely be optional.
I would probably use both systems if they existed in tandem, across two different playthroughs.
total majestic huge gargantuan nono for me. The only FPS I like are the crazy ones, super frenetic with special abilities like titanfall (2 in particular) or one COD (don't remember which one, it had exosuit and wallride). I love super jumps, poweslide, wallride and stuff like that, for a realistic approach, I prefer TPS since you have good cover systems and a better control of where you are, while in FPP I have difficulties to understand my surrounding and how protected I am, that's why I like FPS where you don't need to worry about being behind covers and can wander around doing crazy stuff. The demo was exactly how I like it.
I was interested in Rage 2 but apparently it sucks (except for the glorious ID Software's shooting) and it's quite short (15hrs to do pretty much everything).
I was interested in Rage 2 but apparently it sucks (except for the glorious ID Software's shooting) and it's quite short (15hrs to do pretty much everything).
Are you serious about Rage 2? I just bought it. I may have to cancel that before it takes effect (I only pre-order games a couple hours before launch to get the bonuses and still avoid the pre-order hype).
I don't mind crazy shooters like that, but I hope a slower, more tactical approach is viable in 2077 as well.
I'm sure that choosing your backstory will allow you to modify some details about it, like for example the sex of your ex-lover if he or she was your reason for arriving to Night City or if the sibling you lost (if you choose that as Key Event in your life) was brother or sister. Unless they make it automatic based on the selected sex, kinda like Dragon Age 2 did it and original Deus Ex was initially going to do (before they dropped the option to play as female Denton), but I would definitely prefer the latter.
I think they mentioned in interview that they are trying to make a multiple approaches to combat available, including the slower, more tactical one. One of the things that was brought out that could help with that approach was ability to make and set up different kinds of traps by the Techies.
I hope so as well, it's very important to have different type of approaches so that different playthrough with different characters will feel different. A netrunner must play differently from a solo, here it's not TW3 where the predetermined charachter plays always more or less at the same way, so that an "attacks-geralt" is not too different from a "signs-geralt".
I replied about rage 2 in the videogame thread.
I’d love both of those. Although referring to VATS specifically is, in my opinion, a wrong way to look at it as that system was lacking and mishandled in so many ways.
Grid is also not necessary. Free movement in such a system has existed since at least 1998.
But that’s very unlikely to happen.
I thought it looked extremely generic and very unRPG like.
action .
Both will die if you shoot them, while in a level based game it may not be true.
You can grow without levels.
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I hope so too for my "frilled-necked lizard" .
The devs stated Vampire: the masquerade bloodlines as an inspiration. I'd like to remind everyone that VtMB also doesn't have character levels. You get experience points which are then put into attributes, skills etc which improve the character directly in some area.
Also VtM:B weapons don't have "progression". There are different weapons some of which are direct improvement over others. So you acquire "better" weapons over the course of the game. The weapons themselves don't have improvements, but your stats can make you use them better. A katana is an improvement over tire iron, and so on. The weapons also technically have different characteristics which can make them better against some enemies compared to others. If you are fighting a gargoyle which is a being made of stone, sledgehammer is the way to go even if you own a katana.
I'm starting to get the feeling that this character progression system is what devs are going for. I like the idea very much.
I see numerous advantages in this system and to be honest I've always liked games that utilize it now that I think about it..
- To have character performance improvement come indirectly from character stats creates a slower, more natural-feeling character progression. As opposed to the character level systems sometimes ridiculous differences (lvl 50 character vs lvl 1 mob) which stem from the flat increase of everything per level. Now that I think of it, I consider leveling system to be a "lazy" way to create character progression. I think this system could create a world where every place was theoretically accessible from the beginning. However, mobs would be more difficult in some areas.
- Slower character progression translates to the world having lower and more balanced difficulty inclines. Difficult areas aren't THAT much more difficult compared to beginner areas. You also don't have to artificially gate areas according to levels, since enemies aren't outrageously strong due to level difference.
- You don't need to scale enemies (probably). Scaling is, again, imo a lazy way to achieve the "every place is accessible from the beginning" world. I have always hated scaling enemies, because character progression doesn't make you 'feel stronger'. Its just as difficult regardless how much your level or stats have improved. It makes you feel like you make no progress. I hate it.
- Even if some areas of the game would be more difficult, getting to those areas could be achieved using alternative methods; such as sneaking, hacking, social interaction, disguises, remote controlled drones etc. This builds on the depth and width of character choices.
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Totally agree on everything except for these 2 sentences:
Too many people complained about "being an FPS and not an RPG", I don't think devs would want to risk too much so they'll go for the easy way.
Unless they're so brave to go for the full immersion experience and deliver a game-changer game. Are their balls this big? In recent AAA history I've seen only rockstar risking a little bit with RDR2's animations (still the classic open-world cinematic game that sells a lot though) and some people said it's boring and prefer AC: odyssey's arcade animations (!!!) and GOW 2018 who risked a lot when they decided to revolutionize a franchise with a very ambitious and difficult idea at its basis (a documentary shows how stressed santa monica studio was for GOW). The result is that they're (with no doubts) the 2 best AAA games of 2018 and between the best ever made in their genres.
Now, is CDPR willing to risk that much and potentially get a huge reward or do they prefer to follow the same path that worked before? June 9th we'll know the answer, what they'll show will be very close to the definitive version.
VtMB and deus ex both don't have levels and are inspirations for the devs, BUT both the demo of CP2077 and TW3 had lavels and the infamous:
which would work without levels as well (V has a pistol and no cyberware, they are fully chromed, corpo weapons, armored tank and are 3 vs 1), but since the demo showed levels, we all know that it means "level 37 scavanger thug is 37 times stonger (HP, DMG output...) than a level 1 full borg conversion who can shoot lasers from the eyes" (as it was in TW3, AC origins, AC odyssey, to name the most recent games).
Too many people complained about "being an FPS and not an RPG", I don't think devs would want to risk too much so they'll go for the easy way.
Unless they're so brave to go for the full immersion experience and deliver a game-changer game. Are their balls this big? In recent AAA history I've seen only rockstar risking a little bit with RDR2's animations (still the classic open-world cinematic game that sells a lot though) and some people said it's boring and prefer AC: odyssey's arcade animations (!!!) and GOW 2018 who risked a lot when they decided to revolutionize a franchise with a very ambitious and difficult idea at its basis (a documentary shows how stressed santa monica studio was for GOW). The result is that they're (with no doubts) the 2 best AAA games of 2018 and between the best ever made in their genres.
Now, is CDPR willing to risk that much and potentially get a huge reward or do they prefer to follow the same path that worked before? June 9th we'll know the answer, what they'll show will be very close to the definitive version.
Well, yeah. I kinda forgot the details in the gameplay video because of the infamous
"Everything you see is subject to change".
And I certainly want an RPG rather than a FPS. But in my opinion there is more to a RPG than just levels. As just discussed, there can be different kinds of character progression. Also the story elements, social interaction, interesting characters and overall V's interaction with the world are what makes an RPG RPG.
"Everything you see is subject to change".
And I certainly want an RPG rather than a FPS. But in my opinion there is more to a RPG than just levels. As just discussed, there can be different kinds of character progression. Also the story elements, social interaction, interesting characters and overall V's interaction with the world are what makes an RPG RPG.
150% agree.
Even cancelling levels and substituting them with street creds (reputation) would already be a good path towards immersion without really changing the level system (intead of magically unlocking the new skill at level 10, you can buy the cyberware which gives you that skill once you get to street cred 10 that could correspond to a descriptor like "famous edgerunner"). Easy, effective, immersive. A simple detail like this could be an acceptable compromise for me.
There is. Lots.
RPG’s are ultimately about interaction; the characters ability (and specifically the characters, less of the players as the game is about guiding and progressing the role, not about the player) to interact with and operate within the rules of the world and the confines of the chosen narrative at different levels of aptitude (of which failure is also a part of, even for skilled characters) and at the players chosen manner. This encompasses all kinds of interaction, from combat to deciphering foreign languages to acrobacy to all manners if social abilities and to what ever else is relevant to the intended campaign.
Character levels are an abstraction of the characters experience (combat or otherwise) in handling him/herself in the world the game takes place in, but they certainly aren’t necessary in depicting growth or aptitude, skills and stats can do fine in that department when handled correctly.
In the end I don't care if there is levels or not in the game as long as it doesn't affect their health to a point they don't dies from a direct headshot.