You read the nvidia forum about the HARD insues with the last driver to PCs? let's balance responsibilities to be FAIR.
No the closest comparison to Cyberpunk would be Deus Ex. I can't be the only person in these forums that sees that. Mantis Blade? Hacking? Dialogue? Body Augments and whether augmented individuals have rights? It's a different take on Deus Ex which is already a take on the Cyberpunk genre. Why people are comparing this game to GTA or now Saints Row is odd to say the least.
Balance, why? I was posting about CDPR knowing THEIR own tech.
If the driver from Nvidia is no good roll it back to the previous version. 460.89 works on my system, no crashing, freezing, hitching.
Thematically it's close to deus ex, sure; However, in regards to gameplay, it most closely resembles a ubisoft game. Far Cry, to be exact.
I think what people -want- it to be is basically 'saints row but serious / next gen', but what we got is 'polish far cry' with ubisoft's sprinkle-small-things-all-over-the-map, and actually very COD-like linear main story with a lot of 'button = awesome' game design.
We're comparing it to GTA / Staints Row / Ubisoft because it's an open world game. I genuinely do think that the formula they'd applied to the main story as the grand focus of what the game is about would have worked a lot better if they scrapped the open world and made it a semi open level based game ala Deus Ex / Dishonored.
Or, alternatively, make the main story 'just a thing you do among 10 others' like in skyrim.
I think the biggest overambition of this game is that it's confused about whether it wants to be open world or linear / story driven, resulting in a very strange feeling game that doesn't satisfy either itch well.
The game is unplayable on base consoles.
Every ounce of criticism CD Projekt Red is receiving for that is earned, particularly since they knew it was in that state but deliberately misled consumers in order to get sales. People wouldn't be getting full refunds if the bugs they encountered were just the normal glitches encountered with every launch.
Your experience does not equal every other player's experience.
Considering you're playing on a PC, and I bet a nice rig at that, you really shouldn't be defending the state the game shipped in.
Some are playing on base consoles and have noticed improvements with the patches but obviously you need to put everyone in the same boat.
I clearly stated: CDPR errored with the consoles, massively and should have realistically released the PC version only whilst continuing to work on the console versions or shifted development to the next gen consoles. Oddly you chose to overlook this.
Refunds are available. https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/important-update-for-playstation-users.11055446/
And their experience does not equal mine.
I am NOT anti CDPR simply because YOU choose to be nor do I have to jump on the anti CDPR hype train. I am free to choose my own path, a concept missed by yourself and others who need to ride anti CDPR hype train.
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Totally agreed here. A vast but shallow world is far worse than a small/segmented world filled with depth. RPGs are all about choosing a unique path and roleplaying a unique character experience. To do this the game must focus on meaningful narrative choices and alternate NPC relationships which impact the narrative (and not just cosmetically). That is a lot of work and complexity - doesn't really leave space to squeeze in open world car driving, seamless worlds, etc. In fact, breaking up the world like Deus Ex and having air taxis/combat cabs between zones (like in the 2020 pen and paper RPG) would've worked much better. Thematically too, we have self driving cars now - by 2077, who would still manually drive a car outside the badlands? There was way too much feature creep here and they lost their focus on what this game should be.
I'll just say that it seems everyone expects the game to be "what they want". This is kinda faulty logic. There's a team of people who inferred what they thing it's a fun game to play. This is definitely a mass market product (compared for example with Divinity), and for some of us driving is fun for example though definitely not a big RPG component.
I doubt Cyberpunk wants to be a specific recipe or a clear game genre. I think it wants to be a fun experience and for that I can't complain. This thread probably makes more sense as what each of us would like to see in DLCs or in a sequel. Just dramatizing over what the game is not feels pointless to me. I think you either like it or you don't, and you play it or you don't. This is not a pan you buy and expect to behave in some way, this is a painting you buy and you appreciate the artist's work, or you don't like it. Making everyone happy it's impossible.
About the technical issues, I think being at the threshold between generations it's hard not to have serious issues and the huge focus the world had on the game blew it out of proportions. For example, for me, Remedy's Control was unplayable on PS4 due to performance issues paired with the difficulty. No internet exploded about that and it was never fixed, they just added god mode. I had to upgrade to PS4 Pro to be able to play it. I don't want to say it's normal, but that it happened before and it will happen again every time someone tries to push the limits of what a game is. Cyberpunk the game is not the inability to play it on consoles. I agree it's stupid to release something unplayable and charge people money for it, but in my mind you don't judge the game by that, you can judge the business department. Honestly I think the best approach right now is to lower the pressure and to give them time.
What I'll agree with the thread's subject is that not over ambition hurt the game, but over expectation from the audience.
I doubt Cyberpunk wants to be a specific recipe or a clear game genre. I think it wants to be a fun experience and for that I can't complain. This thread probably makes more sense as what each of us would like to see in DLCs or in a sequel. Just dramatizing over what the game is not feels pointless to me. I think you either like it or you don't, and you play it or you don't. This is not a pan you buy and expect to behave in some way, this is a painting you buy and you appreciate the artist's work, or you don't like it. Making everyone happy it's impossible.
About the technical issues, I think being at the threshold between generations it's hard not to have serious issues and the huge focus the world had on the game blew it out of proportions. For example, for me, Remedy's Control was unplayable on PS4 due to performance issues paired with the difficulty. No internet exploded about that and it was never fixed, they just added god mode. I had to upgrade to PS4 Pro to be able to play it. I don't want to say it's normal, but that it happened before and it will happen again every time someone tries to push the limits of what a game is. Cyberpunk the game is not the inability to play it on consoles. I agree it's stupid to release something unplayable and charge people money for it, but in my mind you don't judge the game by that, you can judge the business department. Honestly I think the best approach right now is to lower the pressure and to give them time.
What I'll agree with the thread's subject is that not over ambition hurt the game, but over expectation from the audience.
How many players on base consoles think they're getting their moneys worth? You can't be serious with that hot take.
There is a reason why the base console versions are being rated very low by review outlets and aren't recommended purchases, and are now being refunded by Sony and Xbox.
You're entitled to your own opinion and your positive experience with the the PC version of the game is no less valid than those that came away with a negative impression of the console version. Whether intended or not however you did imply that the controversy Cd Projekt Red currently finds itself in is rooted in players having unrealistic expectations. That is flat out incorrect.
Console owners were sold a defective product by a corporation that knew said product was defective, and actively concealed those defects from consumers. Any dissatisfaction with said defective product is 100% justified. Expecting products you purchase to work is bare minimum of justified expectations.
Btw, that does not include me. I just find brand loyalty and the lengths some in the grips of it go to defend corporations from consumer complaints baffling.
Just to remember, before CD intervention, Sony was refusing refunds...
And again - I clearly stated: CDPR errored with the consoles, massively and should have realistically released the PC version only whilst continuing to work on the console versions or shifted development to the next gen consoles. Oddly you KEEP choosing to OVERLOOK this.
And again - I am NOT anti CDPR simply because YOU choose to be nor do I have to jump on the anti CDPR hype train. I am free to choose my own path, a concept missed by yourself and others who need to ride anti CDPR hype train.
You are free to have your own opinion but you are not free to define my stance nor my choices.
What do you mean something wrong happened two years ago? What happened?
I think they should have reduced the map size for sure. Especially when there's not much to do in the world.
Even the racing 'mini game' didn't warrant such a big map
Yeah, it did.
Thing is though, their overambition and inability to deliver on their promise is their problem, not ours.
Thing is though, their overambition and inability to deliver on their promise is their problem, not ours.
I don't know what CDPR can do to fix this game or even if they can but it seems your average person around the interwebs is finally getting past the shock of how unplayable it is because of bugs/glitches etc and starting to see the MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS that plague this disasterpiece. I know there's been terrible launches of games in the past but I'm not sure any have been on this scale and so all encompassing and its all magnified by a thousand due to the hype and former reputation of CDPR.
The MGMT is getting nuked from orbit and deservedly so but then they didn't code the game. Who designed/created the "AI"? A monkey? Who designed the loot system? A rock? Who designed the dialog choices and "player agency"? A chat bot?
This is so bad I almost find it hard to accept the project wasn't sabotaged but the sad reality is, you can never underestimate human incompetence. This whole shebang will go down in history as one of the worst disasters in gaming.
The MGMT is getting nuked from orbit and deservedly so but then they didn't code the game. Who designed/created the "AI"? A monkey? Who designed the loot system? A rock? Who designed the dialog choices and "player agency"? A chat bot?
This is so bad I almost find it hard to accept the project wasn't sabotaged but the sad reality is, you can never underestimate human incompetence. This whole shebang will go down in history as one of the worst disasters in gaming.
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