There seemed to be quite a few people asking for dismemberment, and more gore, a couple of months ago...
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/29197-How-mature-will-be-The-Witcher-3
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/29197-How-mature-will-be-The-Witcher-3
Ahem, no, you can't. You could cut off an arm or leg at best.
The system is way over the top imo and should be toned done. There should be realistic gore fitting to to mature story and no splatter gore fitting to a gore-porn flick for premature kids. That's exactly the wrong way to do it.
The witcher books are no pulp. They are serious fictinonal literature and all this concentration in the games to be as dirty, bloody and sexy as possible isn't helping to make the franchise looking more mature...
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Good idea. Visual feedback based on the potions you take. Definitely a cool idea.
Tell you all what. The complaint of such a thread is ridiculous. It's ruining my game. Turn off gore if you dunwan it rather than keep whining so others cannot have. It's making me so furious I wanna cut the thread poster with the sword myself.
Waaa waaa I don't like it... Waa waa Geralt suppose to kill his opponent with dancing move and not decapitation waaa waa.
I believe previous witcher wasn't staying true to the books. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Waaa waaa I don't like it... Waa waa Geralt suppose to kill his opponent with dancing move and not decapitation waaa waa.
I believe previous witcher wasn't staying true to the books. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You could also see the inclusion of this more sophisticated dismemberment system as a sort of continuation of the animated flashback sequences from The Witcher 2, which didn't exactly hold back in the gore department.
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Stating one's opinion is ridiculous? Sorry, but your statement above is ridiculous. The purpose of a forum like this IS to talk about stuff like that. It's not a blind praising mechanism for CDPR or anything.
It's nice for you that you like the system which is in place at the moment. Others don't and they have every right to raise their voice. Deal with it and show some respect for other people. Nobody wants to talk with someone who insults other people by calling them whiners and stuff.
I personally love it. I think it looks great, especially the dynamic nature of it, and fits the game well considering you are playing as a super powered mutant killing machine.
If every killing blow caused dismemberment even when striking the body, I do think that would be a tad bit excessive. Fun, but excessive. Limbs should be free reign for heavy blows that deal killing blows. Cutting torsos should be reserved for critical hits or special circumstances (under the rook potion effect)
If I had to choose with the shown crazy dismemberment and very rare dismemberment, I'd take the trailer dismemberment though. I'd assume the chance of cutting people in half will be customizable with mods like it was in TW2
If every killing blow caused dismemberment even when striking the body, I do think that would be a tad bit excessive. Fun, but excessive. Limbs should be free reign for heavy blows that deal killing blows. Cutting torsos should be reserved for critical hits or special circumstances (under the rook potion effect)
If I had to choose with the shown crazy dismemberment and very rare dismemberment, I'd take the trailer dismemberment though. I'd assume the chance of cutting people in half will be customizable with mods like it was in TW2
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Awesome, isn't it? I'm just loving it. Swords are supposed to cut things.
Just...you are not. Geralt is a very good sword fighter with some improved senses who is able to use weak magical signs. He is in no way really super powered.
Personally I love it. The only thing I feel that should be changed is the percentage of how many killing blows will result in dismemberment.
Right now it seems to be something like 90%-100% of all enemies lose their limbs from the killing blow.
I feel they should tone it down to maybe 30%-50% as to not dilute the novelty of dismembering.
Right now it seems to be something like 90%-100% of all enemies lose their limbs from the killing blow.
I feel they should tone it down to maybe 30%-50% as to not dilute the novelty of dismembering.
The op is awfully strange. It's like walking in a theater to see a R-rated movie and then afterwards, complain there's profanity in it.
I don't mind occasional or moderate dismemberment but it does seem that every kill or nearly every kill ends in dismemberment.
I think they should tone it down a bit.
So basically I pretty much agree with what WFMS has already said.
Though I think this is important:
Dismemberment should not be possible on heavily armored opponents such as those in plate armor.
I think it would be cool if Geralt could find some openings in their armor and strike there - places such as below the armpit, crotch, neck and lower legs.
In W2, the scene were the peasants were beating the shit out of plate armored Prince Stennis with clubs was ridiculous. The only place where they could have done any damage was the head.
I think they should tone it down a bit.
So basically I pretty much agree with what WFMS has already said.
Though I think this is important:
Dismemberment should not be possible on heavily armored opponents such as those in plate armor.
I think it would be cool if Geralt could find some openings in their armor and strike there - places such as below the armpit, crotch, neck and lower legs.
In W2, the scene were the peasants were beating the shit out of plate armored Prince Stennis with clubs was ridiculous. The only place where they could have done any damage was the head.
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While yes, it would be pretty much impossible for any human to cut another human in half with a single sword stroke, Geralt isn't exactly human. As a mutant with enhanced speed and strength, combined with lifelong training with the sword, it is only logical to assume that he would be capable of doing things with a blade that would be otherwise impossible. As for the way that his fighting style is described in the books, it seems to me like his style changes with his mood. When he is calm, he uses much more light cuts to vital areas. When he is angry or under the influence of his elixirs, he tends to have more brutal attacks. At least that's the way I interpreted the scenes from the books. He doesn't screw around. He kills his enemies quickly and moves on.
But realistically, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to use light cuts to arteries and such. A lot of people are under the misconception that someone with a cut artery will die in seconds. This isn't true. Even with a sliced jugular vein, or carotid artery, it can take minutes to bleed out, which gives them plenty of time to continue their own attack. Wouldn't they be incapacitated by the pain? Well not really no, since they're gonna have one hell of an adrenaline rush, especially if you just sliced them. Adrenaline suppresses pain. So realistically it would make far more sense to dismember an opponent; even if it doesn't kill them straight away, if you cut off their swordarm, or a leg, their combat effectiveness drops close to 0. The only time this wouldn't work is against armored opponents, where you would have to aim for gaps between the plates. This is the only situation it would make sense to bleed them out.
While I do agree that there was a lot of dismemberment in the video, we should keep in mind that the game isn't anywhere close to being finished yet, and more likely then not, the gore system will be tweaked. I do however like the idea of the dismemberment rate increasing with certain potions, finishers, and perhaps heavy strikes. For all we know, the attacks shown in the gameplay demo may have all been heavy attacks.
But realistically, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to use light cuts to arteries and such. A lot of people are under the misconception that someone with a cut artery will die in seconds. This isn't true. Even with a sliced jugular vein, or carotid artery, it can take minutes to bleed out, which gives them plenty of time to continue their own attack. Wouldn't they be incapacitated by the pain? Well not really no, since they're gonna have one hell of an adrenaline rush, especially if you just sliced them. Adrenaline suppresses pain. So realistically it would make far more sense to dismember an opponent; even if it doesn't kill them straight away, if you cut off their swordarm, or a leg, their combat effectiveness drops close to 0. The only time this wouldn't work is against armored opponents, where you would have to aim for gaps between the plates. This is the only situation it would make sense to bleed them out.
While I do agree that there was a lot of dismemberment in the video, we should keep in mind that the game isn't anywhere close to being finished yet, and more likely then not, the gore system will be tweaked. I do however like the idea of the dismemberment rate increasing with certain potions, finishers, and perhaps heavy strikes. For all we know, the attacks shown in the gameplay demo may have all been heavy attacks.
While I don't really find it lore-breaking - countless limbs and heads were severed throughout the books - too much of it and too frequent dismemberment will make the combat feel more silly than mature. Since there is a lot more combat in the games than there is in the books, it needs to be toned down and made into a semi-rare occurrence, lest they risk making the combat come off as more childish rather than adult. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually had dialled up the chance of dismemberment specifically for these latest presentations, in an attempt to draw more attention (lowest common denominator: sex and violence); I'm fairly confident that it will be more balanced in the final product.
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Lets be fair, none of us actually know if a sword can cause the damage the OP is talking about. Have we ever seen it in real life? Nope. Besides, this is an action RPG, and like films, there is bound to be some exaggeration in the action scenes and gameplay.
Very good post, thanks.
But Mermais said during the IGN video that they made the new dismemberment system for the whole game and not only for the E3 demo.
Rare dismemberments and gore-porn is ok but too much of it and your game becomes premature pulp. Even now people often reduce the Wicher series to the sex and gore aspects. It should be more subtle, more mature, more fitting to the atmosphere and surroundings. The world of the witcher is dark and gritty, no question, but it's not a bad B-movie...
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Please speak for yourself. I know quite some reenactors who know how to fight with medieval swords. Cutting a body in two halves with a sword is just impossible. You can cut off limbs if they are unprotected by any armour. Even cheap leather armour makes it very, very hard to cut off an arm or leg in the best possible position. You can try it for yourself with pig limbs who have a similar structure to human ones....
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I actually like it a lot, Witcher as been said is much faster and stronger than any normal human and with his sword I imagine he can do that besides it looks freaking awesome! Hope it's really as they said with the dismemberment system that it's dynamic and you can even cut legs off if you aim for that and finish the enemy with a swing there. Certainly more interesting than the usual boring no cutting and barely any damage done when you cut people with your sword. Witcher 1 was kinda like this as well. Rather see it optional in options than completely removed if majority feedback calls for it.
besides it looks freaking awesome! Hope it's really as they said with the dismemberment system that it's dynamic and you can even cut legs off if you aim for that and finish the enemy with a swing there. Certainly more interesting than the usual boring no cutting and barely any damage done when you cut people with your sword. Witcher 1 was kinda like this as well. Rather see it optional in options than completely removed if majority feedback calls for it.