Do you think Phantom Liberty will be worth the price? Reasons?

[seomid]

Just for info, the new requirements also concern the base game (not just Phantom Liberty). So you will have to play the game on "low quality" no matter if you buy the expansion or not

Will the expansion reduce framerates on consoles? Is there any official info?
Seems weird to raise PC requirements while maintaining same console performance. Or do consoles not get such extensive updates?

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Will the expansion reduce framerates on consoles? Is there any official info?
Seems weird to raise PC requirements while maintaining same console performance. Or do consoles not get such extensive updates?

It depend. I would say no it won't reduce framerate, they have to keep both mode at 30 and 60 FPS, but... "sacrifices" will might be required to maintain these framerates, no miracle
It's just speculations, but knowing that PS5/XB Series are somewhere between minimum and recommended requirements. So these consoles will run the game on graphic settings between low and high on PC (likely more "low" than high^^) with maybe some tweaks in function of the selected mode, to maintain the required framerates.

 

[GrimReaper801]

Unfortunately for CD project Red the answer is NO
In my opinion he who had the game shod get this PHANTOM LIBERTY for free. after the shit show they pull with this game.

So the game as it is now is a bug fest
- Quest load with delay
- After 1h of play every think is bug from car dashboard to mission scan etc..
- I never finish the game cause of the F bugs ( drop in arasaka tower my save got corrupted after 45h of game )
- U cannot skip the NPC sex scene ( who the F wants to see NPC having sex , we have porn ...) and they are so long OMG Let us skip it if we want
- The list is long as a toilet paper roll

Horrible game design press F press F press F press F press F even if u do not have a option in dialogue u must press F
- Open the game press Enter w8 for load click continue game loads press space ( WTF )
- go a console and u need to HOLD F or press F ( wtf guys i have 105 keys )
- the C key is bind all over if u are crouch in a mission and a text option pop up and u want to stand up u press C hahah and u skip the dialogue
- if u do not have STR /Tech u cannot open doors so u cannot play the game how u like there is no lockpick or some cyber shit that will help u hack no no no no u must be full STR
- Items iconic epic legendary makes no sense my legendary armor is useless compare to other common items and so on
- There is no real explication about the skills perk's u must check internet ( i hate it when one game dos not give u all info u need and u must relay on others) very bad for a single player game
- driving in 1st person is out of the question u are to low in your seat , the camera keeps resetting when i drive make it impossible to see where u are going
- The game is build for controller first then keyboard (coming from PC game developer this hurts )
- At more then one time i found my self confuse the dialogue and the mission do not flow u must fallow a specific route , some of quest let u in the air with no outcome
- to much of the illusion of having a choose , at the end it dos not matter what text option u have select outcome is the same dialog changes ( perfect illusion for children )
There are allot bad things in this game compare to the wincher some times i wander who actually made this game is not possible that the same developer who give us the wincher to make this .


So yeah i think this expansion shod be free if u have the game. ( is not about 30$ is about making good on what they promise years ago) is bean 2 years and the game is in bad shape .

Besides what @LadyMiseryAli said, which I agree with, you don't seem to understand the way this is structured at all.

The patch, and it's accompanying fixes and massive improvements to the game, is going to be available to all the systems that can handle it regardless of your ownership of PL.

PL is completely new content CDPR spent a lot of money developing. There is no valid reason whatsoever to expect CDPR to give that away for free. The base game will still be massively improved soon enough.

 

[BabaBooey88]

Beside, I can't imagine CDPR offering for free, the most expensive expansion they ever created. An expansion which has likely cost millions and took years of development...

Not simply likely, it's certain.

One month in and you're on the hook for a few million already with this many developers. Salary, licensing, land leasing, various utilities, land tax, local taxes, federal taxes, morale enhancement - food/drink/spa/trips/etc, then you have actor's pay and whatever per diem is contracted for being onsite X number of days, after that there is outsourcing as necessary or desired plus a whole number of things I haven't mentioned.

It would not surprise me if once all is said and done, given the likely marketing blitz coming in September, that the final cost is over 100 million. It's absolutely well beyond that if you consider all the patchwork and hold over content necessary to make Phantom Liberty a viable sell.

 

[Gheazu]

Besides what @LadyMiseryAli said, which I agree with, you don't seem to understand the way this is structured at all.

The patch, and it's accompanying fixes and massive improvements to the game, is going to be available to all the systems that can handle it regardless of your ownership of PL.

PL is completely new content CDPR spent a lot of money developing. There is no valid reason whatsoever to expect CDPR to give that away for free. The base game will still be massively improved soon enough.

2 little 2 late we all play the game we know all the story and side quest playing this game again is no no i do no see my self drag to all that chat in the game just for one or 2 extra dialogue
I do not know about you guys but for me this game is one time play never will i ever start the game again is not like The Wichern where u have companions and do quest with them and u want to see the other out come . i give 0 F when Jackie Welles die and care less about his funeral same with Misty Victor and any other NPC in this game dont feel connected to them dont care about them

Any way the new expansion comes in the same time as starfild so we have 16 reason to not play the expansion ( to be fair i will be put in the position where i shod pay 30$ on cyberbug or buy starfild and im 100% we will go for starfild)

 

[LadyMiseryAli]

2 little 2 late we all play the game we know all the story and side quest playing this game again is no no i do no see my self drag to all that chat in the game just for one or 2 extra dialogue
I do not know about you guys but for me this game is one time play never will i ever start the game again is not like The Wichern where u have companions and do quest with them and u want to see the other out come . i give 0 F when Jackie Welles die and care less about his funeral same with Misty Victor and any other NPC in this game dont feel connected to them dont care about them

Any way the new expansion comes in the same time as starfild so we have 16 reason to not play the expansion ( to be fair i will be put in the position where i shod pay 30$ on cyberbug or buy starfild and im 100% we will go for starfild)

There are plenty of replay opportunities in this game. You pick different dialogue options, different builds, different romances. You can form a connection with the NPCs if you bother to listen to what they have to say, as in ACTUALLY converse with them. But to each their own I guess. Some people won't connect with Night City like some of us.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

the game again is not like The Wichern where u have companions and do quest with them

You mean "The Witcher"?
As far as I know, there is no companion in the Witcher 2 et 3... I never played the first one, but I doubt there is companion (or maybe you consider Roach as a companion^^)
So let me emit some doubts about the fact you played a CDPR game before, at least a Witcher game

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Any way the new expansion comes in the same time as starfild so we have 16 reason to not play the expansion ( to be fair i will be put in the position where i shod pay 30$ on cyberbug or buy starfild and im 100% we will go for starfild)

Beside, you say that you will play Starfield instead of Cyber"bug", which it's fine (I'll play Starfield day one too^^). But I hope you don't expect a smooth and bug free experience on Starfield. That would be forgetting the fact that Bethesda games (all of them) have always been known to be really buggy. Bugs and issues that are mostly only fixed by the modding community via Unofficial patches.

Not simply likely, it's certain.

I said "likely" because I have no idea of the development cost of the expansion. But it's (very) expensive, that's for sure... So my point was > The expansion has cost way too much to even considering giving it for free

 

[Sal8050]

Given the continued performance issues of CB2077, and to a lesser extent my experiences here on this forum, I've gone from a 'Shut up and take my money' stance on the upcoming DLC, to an 'I'll wait for an 80% discount down the road' stance.

Though, I do appreciate the time and effort that went into the story and visuals overall (NOT RT/PT) and the fact that CDPR has remained true to their DRM free policy. Which is why I'm not abandoning the game completely.

They could charge $200 dollars for the expansion and I'm still buying it.

 

[rez27772]

On one hand, I’d love the expansion to have a great launch, on the other, I’d love overly optimistic people to finally learn their lesson.
I don’t know where their trust comes from, but personally I think it’s unjustified.

I've wondered about these things myself, but always end up shaking my head in bewilderment.
I get brand loyalty and all that stuff, but that loyalty should only apply if you're getting stuff that works the way it's supposed to, and is what it's described as.
Far too many gaming studios these days are putting out incomplete and buggy games, what happened with CP77 wasn't "unusual", it was just one of the worst examples I've, personally, been fooled by.
The fact people forget/forgive so quick, and fall victim to renewed hype for an upcoming addition, just proves people don't learn from the past and studios will bank on it, 'cause sadly, people are all too willing to hand over more money - so they're kind of a part of the problem.
I hope the upcoming patch does fix the remaining problems and brings the improvements that they promise. I'm just extremely sceptical, after all promises made about the base game proved to be untrue.

 

[Fujisteria]

Yeah, I don't mind forking money over, but that's mostly due to my own personal feelings towards CP2077. I've loved the game since release and I was very lucky and never experienced any game breaking bugs or any of the other crazy stuff people were experiencing.

Taking everything into account, it probably isn't too smart. It's probably better to err on the side of caution and wait a while after release to make sure it's worth it. I just happen to be a huge fan of the Cyberpunk genre and CP2077 has ticked all of my boxes. I'm looking forward to the release of the new DLC. I'm ready to get burned, it's just a video game after all.

 

[Guest 4670038]

They could charge $200 dollars for the expansion and I'm still buying it.

...sure....

 

[loonelywolf]

Well,for the price i think it is cheap.Also with everything they changed in the game it is well worth another playtrough.I habent still finished the game once and i have a lot of hours in the game.it as its flaws,but it entertains and the world and characters are very well made.

 

[CyberpunkRoslyn]

I think it will be, which is why they went with the FALL release date. Remember, the developers mentioned that they are rebalancing a lot of mechanics and functions in the game. With Phantom Liberty taking place shortly after the Voodoo Boys mission, there is a lot that the team had to redo. The V's life percentage is more likely to get tweaking, since it will have to take into account the story content that Phantom Liberty adds.

Let's also take time to consider that the ultimate character builds will now have a cap on how much you can add before V experiences cyberpsychosis. This will add a more realistic feel to the game, starting from the very beginning. In reality, it will change the way each player approaches the game. Not being able to create these ultimate builds, forces the gamer to better their skills in gun combat. We haven't yet been told how V will react to cyberspychosis and how it affects the gameplay. My guess is that CDPR is saving a lot of information on the entire rebalance of gameplay.

Let's also take time to consider that the new DLC-expansion will require a lot of people to upgrade hardware. This could have a lot to do with the new mechanics and much more. I'd like to think the entire game will look and feel a bit more realistic from the start of the game. For all we know, there may be a lot of cut content aside from Phantom Liberty, that never made the main game because of hardware restrictions. This may have affected missions and etc.

Here is my idea of what CDPR may be keeping secret:
- wall running
- NC Metro
- self inflicted damage via cyberpsychosis
- character creator overhaul
- fully explorable mega buildings
- astonishing traffic rebalance
- expanded/new character missions
- braindance material

 

[robzhe]

Any way the new expansion comes in the same time as starfild so we have 16 reason to not play the expansion ( to be fair i will be put in the position where i shod pay 30$ on cyberbug or buy starfild and im 100% we will go for starfild)

I think it might be Starbug for a while, it is Bethesda after all. So you're probably going to have to deal with bugs one way or the other.

It should probably be accepted though with games on this scale that there's going to be patches needed after release. One thing that might help though is that Microsoft will have a lot staked on that game doing well so Bethesda might have focused on sorting bugs out a lot more than with previous games.

 

[AikoHayashi]

2 little 2 late we all play the game we know all the story and side quest playing this game again is no no i do no see my self drag to all that chat in the game just for one or 2 extra dialogue
I do not know about you guys but for me this game is one time play never will i ever start the game again is not like The Wichern where u have companions and do quest with them and u want to see the other out come . i give 0 F when Jackie Welles die and care less about his funeral same with Misty Victor and any other NPC in this game dont feel connected to them dont care about them

Any way the new expansion comes in the same time as starfild so we have 16 reason to not play the expansion ( to be fair i will be put in the position where i shod pay 30$ on cyberbug or buy starfild and im 100% we will go for starfild)

And who are WE? I will probably try Starfield, but I plan to play Phantom Liberty first (and get tired of it). All Bethesda games I've played were buggy.
By the way, seeing the amount of work put in the expansion it is weird to expect it to be free.

 

[Andrew_Waples]

- wall running
- NC Metro
- self inflicted damage via cyberpsychosis
- character creator overhaul
- fully explorable mega buildings
- astonishing traffic rebalance
- expanded/new character missions
- braindance material

Wall running: I don't get why that is such a big deal.

NC Metro: they've already stated there won't be one.

Self inflicted damage via cyberpsychosis: There won't be cyberpsychosis, at least not in the way presented in Edgerunners.

Character creator overhaul: I wouldn't use the word overhaul, but I expect new hair, new colors, etc.

Fully explorable mega buildings: maybe not fully, but I'd expect more exploreable areas.

Expanded/new character missions: I'm not sure what you mean by character missions?

 

[CyberpunkRoslyn]

Wall running: I don't get why that is such a big deal.

NC Metro: they've already stated there won't be one.

Self inflicted damage via cyberpsychosis: There won't be cyberpsychosis, at least not in the way presented in Edgerunners.

Character creator overhaul: I wouldn't use the word overhaul, but I expect new hair, new colors, etc.

Fully explorable mega buildings: maybe not fully, but I'd expect more exploreable areas.

Expanded/new character missions: I'm not sure what you mean by character missions?

Wall running adds a totally different approach to combat. Imagine CDPR adjusting the way enemy NPC engage combat against you. We don't yet know what awaits us in DOGTOWN. Normal stealth tactics may not work as well as before. Depending on how the buildings are, it could permit wall running if we want a different sneak attack or if an enemy is spraying ammunition like a water sprinkler.

Expanded/New character missions, means there could be additional ones added to our current narrative. Let's take time to consider that many of NC's gangs and corporations have activity in DOGTOWN. It wouldn't surprise me if we see characters like Meredith Stout in there. Remember, if you choose to save her, you won't find her at the bottom of the water.

I could go on and on, but I'll keep it brief. Remember, the developers have stated that Phantom Liberty is set during the main narrative. Specifically, V will can enter DOGTOWN shortly after the completion of the Voodoo Boys side mission. The teaser trailer/gameplay shows new characters and slightly hints of a possibility of V finding a cure for her condition. It would be kind of pointless for CDPR to reveal in full that this DLC-expansion doesn't change the outcome of the current narrative. So my guess, is that Phantom Liberty could secretly open up new paths before and after V is introduced to DOGTOWN. Remember, the Voodoo Boys are the closest gang outside of the walls of DOGTOWN.

 

[berkeincekara]

Around $15, it's unfair that they have special pricing according to countries

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Around $15, it's unfair that they have special pricing according to countries

Well, I would say that it's quite the opposite

 

[GrimReaper801]

Well, I would say that it's quite the opposite

Well, in @berkeincekara defense, I've seen some games sell for far more than they should. As in 3x the equivalent of what I would pay in USD. It's largely due to forces outside of CDPR's, or any other developers' control, but it still sucks for those people.

Note that I have no idea if that's the case with PL but without more details, I can see the feeling of unfairness is coming from.