Do you think Phantom Liberty will be worth the price? Reasons?

[Milaal]

… It also requires even more mods to remove idiotic gameplay decisions like weapon damage scaling with level, enemies who can facetank 15 power shotgun shells to the face and one-punch you dead, cars that feel like you're ice skating, etc. …

I never really care about mods, especially when the game isn’t finished, but I definitely agree with you on some of those balance and game mechanics. The cars especially. I’m not a professional racer but holy gawd. I only use cars for very specific reasons or Gigs, and the rest of the time I cruise Night City on any of the motorcycles. I don’t even see the reason for including the cars as an option considering how horrible they are to manage. Haven’t run too often into enemies that tank multiple shotgun blasts to the face, but I also keep all my gear up to spec so that may be why. Damage scaling isn’t that different from the Witcher 3 if I’m understanding the mechanic you’re referencing, is it?

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Damage scaling isn’t that different from the Witcher 3 if I’m understanding the mechanic you’re referencing, is it?

It's not, almost the exact same mechanic

 

[loonelywolf]

Well,i will buy it for sure,but not at launch.I think this time i will wait and see what it as to offer and in what whays it changes its gameplay.I bougth on lunch day and i still play it.But i dont whant just more story content.I whant some more core gameplay changes.

 

[Spockprime]

I'll definitely buy it. Probably not on release, since my game is too heavily modded. But once mods are updated (which might require some pretty significant changes), I'll buy it.

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I feel like I robbed CDPR after paying 10 dollars for Witcher 3 with both expansions included.

Don't stress out about it. I more than offset your bargain with 4 full price copies.

 

[Netrunner2go]

I'll definitely buy it. Probably not on release, since (…)

(…) I want to enjoy it in a working bugfree state. Hopefully that won’t take long…

 

[Yllana_Ardais]

I will wait until many other people have played it and will probbaly spoiler myself, but unless the expansion fixes the bad endings, I'm not gonna bother.
And even if I was happy with the endings, I still wouldn't throw my money at them until after launch. They have lost my trust and only a prisitine product, adressing a lot of the issues and priced reasonably, is going to win it back. Maybe.

 

[DC9V]

I don't play video games anymore. Sorry CDPR, you're too late.

...nah, I'm joking. I'm just taking a break. When I return, which might not be on the expansion's release date, Phantom Liberty is definitely going to be the first thing that I want to install.

 

[yabab]

I have a feeling the DLC will wrap around the existing narrative nicely. It will detail NetWatch's deal with Yorinobu, possible Militech involvement. The AI's are coming, they're probably the next big bad. We saw Saburo is already an AI too. Somehow I think they'll find a way to wedge him into the big bad spot by the end of the arc, like agent Smith. The story seems to ultimately be about him in the end...

 

[Milaal]

I still want to see more about Yorinobu’s deal with Netwatch, for sure. So much of it was revealed or hinted at, but only if you actually bothered to investigate shards and e-mails and even then things were missing. For example, what did Yorinobu hope to gain beyond giving a big old FU to Dad? It would also be cool to learn more about what Saburo talked to his son about on his birthday when Yorinobu quit his family for the first time.

 

[Netrunner2go]

Hmm interesting never thought about more Yori/Sabu content before… was/am more interested in Nightcorp/Blue Eyes/Gary. ( and the magenta mystery of course )

so what could they dig deeper into as well aside of Corpo Wars, Arasaka family stuff or rogue AIs? Any other arc they could open up? Maybe Blackhand although my bet is they save him for the sequel…

 

[LeKill3rFou]

For example, what did Yorinobu hope to gain beyond giving a big old FU to Dad?

Just suggested and still a guess from me, but to break the world monopoly of Arasaka about the Relic/Save Your Soul (which offer an incredible and powerful advantage on any other corporation. I mean even Rosalind Myers, former Militech CEO and current NUSA president, have her soul "saved") and reveal the "secret" of his father's plans to achieve immortality (Relic 2.0) seem to be the goal in this case.
In short, the same goal as Yoribonu try to achieve since a long while (if a bomb is not enough, be the bomb), i.e destroying/breaking/sabotaging apart Arasaka

I would be more interested to know what Netwatch planned to do with the Relic... To sell it to the highest bidder, to blackmail Arasaka, to keep it for their own ("try" to devellop their own Soulkiller/save Your Soul). At least, it's not to find Alt like the VDBs, because Netwatch didn't know at first that Johnny was on the chip.

 

[yabab]

Hmm interesting never thought about more Yori/Sabu content before… was/am more interested in Nightcorp/Blue Eyes/Gary. ( and the magenta mystery of course )

so what could they dig deeper into as well aside of Corpo Wars, Arasaka family stuff or rogue AIs? Any other arc they could open up? Maybe Blackhand although my bet is they save him for the sequel…

There's enough to assume they're one and the same: there's a magenta statue in the floats for the Arasaka parade. Even in the Arasaka warehouse, you can find the statue with the code in it.

 

[DC9V]

Hmm interesting never thought about more Yori/Sabu content before… was/am more interested in Nightcorp/Blue Eyes/Gary. ( and the magenta mystery of course )

so what could they dig deeper into as well aside of Corpo Wars, Arasaka family stuff or rogue AIs? Any other arc they could open up? Maybe Blackhand although my bet is they save him for the sequel…

I could imagine V/J forming a band with Tom Morello who's wearing the Relic of Chris Cornell, in order to fight the 6th Street gang because they stole Johnny's Porsche.

 

[Ibn-Dragon]

I will wait until many other people have played it and will probbaly spoiler myself, but unless the expansion fixes the bad endings, I'm not gonna bother.
And even if I was happy with the endings, I still wouldn't throw my money at them until after launch. They have lost my trust and only a prisitine product, adressing a lot of the issues and priced reasonably, is going to win it back. Maybe.

I agree about the trust thing. But I'm curious as to what part of the endings you think are bad. My only issue is that no matter how fast you run through the main story, you still end up with the whole 'the body is now Johnny's, and you have 6 months left to live' shtick.

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I have a feeling the DLC will wrap around the existing narrative nicely. It will detail NetWatch's deal with Yorinobu, possible Militech involvement. The AI's are coming, they're probably the next big bad. We saw Saburo is already an AI too. Somehow I think they'll find a way to wedge him into the big bad spot by the end of the arc, like agent Smith. The story seems to ultimately be about him in the end...

So, is that a day one purchase for you?

 

[yabab]

I agree about the trust thing. But I'm curious as to what part of the endings you think are bad. My only issue is that no matter how fast you run through the main story, you still end up with the whole 'the body is now Johnny's, and you have 6 months left to live' shtick.

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So, is that a day one purchase for you?

I'm holding my breath for the mechanics and the bugs honestly. I'm sold on cyberpunk stuff from a narrative perspective. The whole AI invasion thing is super cool and can't wait to see more of. But it's a game, and it's gotta play right. So many little builds crumbled from bugs here and there... So many new bugs encountered since the launch of the game.

 

[Yllana_Ardais]

I agree about the trust thing. But I'm curious as to what part of the endings you think are bad. My only issue is that no matter how fast you run through the main story, you still end up with the whole 'the body is now Johnny's, and you have 6 months left to live' shtick.

Well, as you said, no matter what ending you "choose" (with one stupid decision on a rooftop), you end up with the same kind of "you're dead anyway in 6 months" result. Just with different trimmings. Riding off into Cyberspace is not an option that makes narrative sense to me, since it wasn't properly explored in the game and seems more like another death sentence. Cyberspace is never presented as an appealing or interesting alternative, not even if you play V as more of a hacker type.

Then there's the fact that what works best fro my streetkid V (going with Rogue or alone) turns V into an absolute vain asshole in the epilogue, which was not how I played the character throughout the rest of the game.
Furthermore, the endings don't tie in with the rest of the main story at all. Netwatch or the Voodoo Boys...none of it matters, none of you decisions really had any impact except the one on the rooftop and you end up with plot cancer anyway.

What I also whish they would tackle in the expansion is the whole merc thing. It was a Skyrim level of disconnect when I was a Street Level 50 badass that could kill a whole room with one quickhack and people in the Afterlife still treated V like a rookie. I want people to interact with, make deals with and to have their behaviour change with how you progress in the story.

 

[Andrew_Waples]

Well, as you said, no matter what ending you "choose" (with one stupid decision on a rooftop), you end up with the same kind of "you're dead anyway in 6 months" result. Just with different trimmings. Riding off into Cyberspace is not an option that makes narrative sense to me, since it wasn't properly explored in the game and seems more like another death sentence. Cyberspace is never presented as an appealing or interesting alternative, not even if you play V as more of a hacker type.

Then there's the fact that what works best fro my streetkid V (going with Rogue or alone) turns V into an absolute vain asshole in the epilogue, which was not how I played the character throughout the rest of the game.
Furthermore, the endings don't tie in with the rest of the main story at all. Netwatch or the Voodoo Boys...none of it matters, none of you decisions really had any impact except the one on the rooftop and you end up with plot cancer anyway.

What I also whish they would tackle in the expansion is the whole merc thing. It was a Skyrim level of disconnect when I was a Street Level 50 badass that could kill a whole room with one quickhack and people in the Afterlife still treated V like a rookie. I want people to interact with, make deals with and to have their behaviour change with how you progress in the story.

I forget the exact quote, but Alt says that you have 6 months or more to live. Even she doesn't know how much time you have. Just wondering do we have a time frame from when the Heist failed to Act 2 starts? I always found it curious that Act 1 starts 6 months after the montage opening. I think implying a lot could happen in 6 months.

 

[Yllana_Ardais]

Who cares if it's six months or eight or "an unspecified time"? It's the same miserable outlook, no matter what you do, especially The Sun and the Star are the same ending but with a different flavour of miserable.
As for how much time passes between acts 1 and 2, do you mean when V is between life and death in Vic'c clinic? I figure a few days, maybe a week? Doesn't sound like that much given that Jackie's wake hasn't happened yet.

 

[Andrew_Waples]

Who cares if it's six months or eight or "an unspecified time"? It's the same miserable outlook, no matter what you do, especially The Sun and the Star are the same ending but with a different flavour of miserable.
As for how much time passes between acts 1 and 2, do you mean when V is between life and death in Vic'c clinic? I figure a few days, maybe a week? Doesn't sound like that much given that Jackie's wake hasn't happened yet.

Because she could be wrong?

 

[Netrunner2go]

Because she could be wrong?

She = Alt?

i claimed it before in another thread that Alt & Hellman could be wrong/clueless about the Relic but than the „pros“ in here totally went up against this claim xD

good luck this time

personally I’m with u neither Hellmans nor Alts words are set in stone to 100% - if CDPR want to turn it around they easily could do it. Thing is… they most prob don’t want to.