Does anyone else feel like there was a clear-cut right and wrong decision at the end of Ch. 2?

[sfinx]

It is a very strange thing you are saying about Loc Muine. That if it is Flaming Rose killing less people (only sorcerers) - it is not OK, but when the dragon kills everyone (both sorcerers and others), it is fine.

I didn't say it's fine - I said - you pointed on killing sorceresses in Loc Muinne by dragon, I said what Order did in other case. Firstly - it was just my response and secondly - there was shown just part of actions of Order - wich hunting doesn't contain only actions in Loc Muinne. And as I still repeat - that is just one "city", not inhabitated city against all burned cities and villages due acts of kings.

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Somehow it sounds that any massacre the Lodge is doing is permissible, and when the others do a lesser thing, it is wrong.

No - why are you saying "lesser thing", when I gave you many examples of crimes by other sides? What did Lodge do? Just one intervention in battle and attempt to burn Loc Muinne? And that is worse?

If dragon succeed, there would be immense casualties among civilians as well, because every mage who came to the summit would be burned alive as well. So do not delude yourself into thinking that the Lodge does not hurt civilians.

And how many civilians was in Loc Muinne that days and how many civilians was in regullar city burned in war? Now you can compare what is lesser evil..
Try to recall what report get Foltest during his battle. Raid in city,... wasn't there burning house with civilians inside? (and you just could see small part of that battle and even there was shown same crime, which you mentioned - but just with connection to sorceresses)
Loc Muinne wasn't civilian city - it was opened just for this case and interested sides were invited. And if you want to compare - this is one action of sorceresses - how many burned cities remained after actions of armies? That is simply uncomparable.

So it is very sad that you believe it is OK for everyone to murder soldiers just because they are soldiers.

It is very said if you think than some bomb or "unconventional weapon" is worse that war itself.

I could understand you if you really say that all of them are bad.

I am not saying - all actions were good. I am not saying Sabrina acted right, but I just don't see that as so problematic.

Personally I would really want to kill Iorveth and squirrels in general, the Flaming Rose, and sorceresses. The state leaders are a different matter, they do a lot of bad things, but they are the leaders because of some form of a social contract, they provide a stable social organization and keep a social chaos at bay.

And I wouldn't
I would disparse that Order - because - they are just fanatics. I would help squirrels to settle down in some state and I would care about rights of non human to prevente creating of simmilar organisation. And I would give the power of leading the world into hands of sorceresses. Kings and emperor already shown their desires and their abilities to create peaceful world. They just care about their power - maybe just like sorceresses. But maybe just sorceresses were calming them down all the time - both peaces were created mainly by mages. Try to recall that image of Henselt and other insane persons, which just treaten each other intead of efforts to make some agreement.

Emhyr does not have any right to rule the North, but they already have a social structure, laws and order

Yes also nazi Germany had order. Quite simmilar. Emperor is everything, you can't say anything wrong about him or empire. You are learned, you are something better, because in the North - they just eat dogs and don't use bath. Our Reich is the only one und our Führer ist.. sorry I am still mixing these up.

But you in essence give excuse for a group of people to murder everyone they want. Just think about it - who a hell do they think they are to decide who lives and who dies, and what is better for the North?

Sorry, but now you are talking about Emhyr, king or someone else?? Both mentioned suffers with their images about blue blood, immortality or something like that.
I am Radovid, my father was the king so I have to be the king, you are just girl - maybe you connected people of different races, what we couldn't solve for many years, maybe they love you and you maybe defeated king's army, but you don't have royal blood, just we can lead the state.

about what is better for the North .. Taht is your opinion and I don't take it from you, but I will always support sorceresses and I will give them a chance to proove their ideas about future of human - as I said - king already prooved that - just wars and arguing about their lands, power - that is all. Nilfgaard? Never! And idea of future under controll of sorceresses? Why not? Sounds interesting - maybe they would deal with wars (or maybe just lower that number of war conflicts). They will maybe do something with problem of coexisting between non-human and human as it was under Saskia.

Just some bitches who got together with a certain vision of the North, so frigging what? Does it give them any right to impose it on others with fire? I get it, you like them. The way they look, the way they talk, they are cool girls.

That is just small part, which I like on them - if you want really to judge them, write down all their crimes so we can compare them to acts of others. Yet we have just Loc Muinne and what Sabrina did. Yes and also one assasination

 

[vivaxardas2015]

I didn't say it's fine - I said - you pointed on killing sorceresses in Loc Muinne by dragon, I said what Order did in other case. Firstly - it was just my response and secondly - there was shown just part of actions of Order - wich hunting doesn't contain only actions in Loc Muinne. And as I still repeat - that is just one "city", not inhabitated city against all burned cities and villages due acts of kings.

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No - why are you saying "lesser thing", when I gave you many examples of crimes by other sides? What did Lodge do? Just one intervention in battle and attempt to burn Loc Muinne? And that is worse?

And how many civilians was in Loc Muinne that days and how many civilians was in regullar city burned in war? Now you can compare what is lesser evil..
Try to recall what report get Foltest during his battle. Raid in city,... wasn't there burning house with civilians inside? (and you just could see small part of that battle and even there was shown same crime, which you mentioned - but just with connection to sorceresses)
Loc Muinne wasn't civilian city - it was opened just for this case and interested sides were invited. And if you want to compare - this is one action of sorceresses - how many burned cities remained after actions of armies? That is simply uncomparable.

It is very said if you think than some bomb or "unconventional weapon" is worse that war itself.

I am not saying - all actions were good. I am not saying Sabrina acted right, but I just don't see that as so problematic.

And I wouldn't />/>/>
I would disparse that Order - because - they are just fanatics. I would help squirrels to settle down in some state and I would care about rights of non human to prevente creating of simmilar organisation. And I would give the power of leading the world into hands of sorceresses. Kings and emperor already shown their desires and their abilities to create peaceful world. They just care about their power - maybe just like sorceresses. But maybe just sorceresses were calming them down all the time - both peaces were created mainly by mages. Try to recall that image of Henselt and other insane persons, which just treaten each other intead of efforts to make some agreement.

Yes also nazi Germany had order. Quite simmilar. Emperor is everything, you can't say anything wrong about him or empire. You are learned, you are something better, because in the North - they just eat dogs and don't use bath. Our Reich is the only one und our Führer ist.. sorry I am still mixing these up.

Sorry, but now you are talking about Emhyr, king or someone else?? Both mentioned suffers with their images about blue blood, immortality or something like that.
I am Radovid, my father was the king so I have to be the king, you are just girl - maybe you connected people of different races, what we couldn't solve for many years, maybe they love you and you maybe defeated king's army, but you don't have royal blood, just we can lead the state.

about what is better for the North .. Taht is your opinion and I don't take it from you, but I will always support sorceresses and I will give them a chance to proove their ideas about future of human - as I said - king already prooved that - just wars and arguing about their lands, power - that is all. Nilfgaard? Never! And idea of future under controll of sorceresses? Why not? Sounds interesting - maybe they would deal with wars (or maybe just lower that number of war conflicts). They will maybe do something with problem of coexisting between non-human and human as it was under Saskia.

That is just small part, which I like on them - if you want really to judge them, write down all their crimes so we can compare them to acts of others. Yet we have just Loc Muinne and what Sabrina did. Yes and also one assasination />/>/>

Well, about bombs and wars: There is a concept of war crimes, and an international tribunal for war criminals. It is commonly accepted that not everything goes during the war. A lot of wars are not justified, but it is not a reason not to treat actions we would classify as war crimes, as such, and give a pass to those who perpetrate them.

About the rule of sorceresses: you probably have some inside information from them. I have no idea what their plans are except that they want to rule. Would they be better? Well, girls become sorceresses not because they are beautiful and gifted, but because they are ugly, sick or injured, and not wanted by their families. For many of them childhood included all kinds of abuse, unkindness, and abandonment. They are psychologically damaged ugly girls, who became beautiful by magic. They do not really mix with ordinary people, and do not find it necessary to go along with them. They look good only because of magic, but in reality a lot of them are very old hags, who would make children piss their pants, if seen as they really are. They made up their own kind of mostly very old, very long-lived, and very powerful women living by their own principles, and not finding it necessary to respect ordinary people. By modern lights most of them would be classified as psychopaths and sociopaths, lacking a proper socialization and compassion. I wouldn't want to be ruled by a bunch of sociopaths with super-powers, a kind of psychotic Baba Yagas. I can't really imagine why the rule of Radivid, Henselt, and Foltest is worse.

Sabrina - appearance


Sabrina - reality



I don't fall for them because I do not really feel like it concerning very old women, does not matter how much (magical) cosmetic surgery they had.

 

[sfinx]

Well, about bombs and wars: There is a concept of war crimes, and an international tribunal for war criminals. It is commonly accepted that not everything goes during the war. A lot of wars are not justified, but it is not a reason not to treat actions we would classify as war crimes, as such, and give a path to those who perpetrate them.

So how you can support emperor, which did one of the worst crimes (massacre of civilians)?

About the rule of sorceresses: you probably have some inside information from them. I have no idea what their plans are except that they want to rule.

Game shows just two sorceress from Lodge and their worst actions (plus Sabrina) - that is all and I don't like that much. Lodge had quite good concept.
They had many goals - prosperity of human race, to take care about magic, stability,... as I said - game changed that too much, but still that is the best side for me.
If you want - read about them in Baptism of fire and next books.

By modern lights most of them would be classified as psychopaths and sociopaths, lacking a proper socialization and compassion. I wouldn't want to be ruled by a bunch of sociopaths with super-powers, a kind of psychotic Baba Yagas. I can't really imagine why the rule of Radivid, Henselt, and Foltest is worse.

It's nice, how you get one sentence from The Last with and how you make whole story from that. Do you know who sociopath is?
And what psychological profile would you give to your favourite leader of Nilfgaard?
And what about that rapist pig, which killed whole unit or priest in affect? And what about our small poisoner or that nearly adult king, which can't forget, how one woman ruled his kingdom? Everyone, who supports for example torturing is not normal - so if you want to compare their psychologiccal profiles now, you have to eliminate everyone, who have some secret service or special forces

 

[vivaxardas2015]

So how you can support emperor, which did one of the worst crimes (massacre of civilians)?

YESSS, LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR! MY LIFE FOR THE EMPIRE! I am not claiming that Emhyr has any right to rule the North, or any justification for a conquest. He is doing it simply because he can, and screw morality. To spit on morality is not the same as to try to justify something.

But I believe in the Empire, because it already has something to show, unlike sorceresses. Plus, the emperors come and go, some of them much worse then others, but the empire with its principles remains. Historically any empire brings unity and order. There will be no wars on the North, no Henselts nor Foltests will wage wars against other nations, there will be good roads, education, culture, peace, law and order. The Empire is not an ideal state, it has a lot of problems, but no one historically ever was. But it is still better then the Northern mess, with stupid kings, fanatical orders, squirrels in the forests, and a bunch of sorceresses out of control. The mages will know their place, or will be quartered on a Victory square. Sounds perfect.

Sociopathy - let's say it is an antisocial personality disorder. It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
(from wiki)
1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
5. Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
6. Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

I would say, 1,2, and 4 describe our beautiful hags quite well.

 

[sfinx]

There will be no wars on the North, no Henselts nor Foltests will wage wars against other nations, there will be good roads, education, culture, peace, law and order. The Empire is not an ideal state, it has a lot of problems, but no one historically ever was. But it is still better then the Northern mess, with stupid kings, fanatical orders, squirrels in the forests, and a bunch of sorceresses out of control. The mages will know their place, or will be quartered on a Victory square. Sounds perfect.

Not to me - all is paid by fear. That's all.
I am happy that Nilfgaard was kicked in the ... two times and almost all his plans ended before they even started, North prooved his power - weak spot is in competitions and kings like Henselt,... some are weak, some are agressive. Sorceresses could solve this. Some organization which don't care about borders or politics and have stabile goal. Devs really chnged Lodge a lot, but maybe conclave will do that as well.

Sociopathy - let's say it is an antisocial personality disorder. It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
(from wiki)
1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
5. Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
6. Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

I would say, 1,2, and 4 describe our beautiful hags quite well.

1 is just for sorceresses? Why you think so? I gave you examples, how kings uses very brutal methods and you add this to sorceresses?
2 what obligations could Lodge break - they were secret organisarion - they had own goals, not any responsibility; btw - signed peace is not some sort of obligation? very big obligation?
3 again - anything special - our Geralt is probably sociopath (1 and 3 fits for him perfectly)
4 again - only sorceresses? What about Henselt? What about our frustrated Radovid? Emhyr was also quite frustrated (btw he had to remember how he looked like, so he has to be psychopath).
5 third attemt to attack on the North shows us a lot about our empire (emperor) - does he feel guilty because of all dead people? Is he feeling guilty, when he betrayed and used Squirrels? What about his experience from two lost wars with North? What about experience of kings from northen kingdoms?
6 again - fits perfectly on our crowned heads (not necesarrily from witcher's world)
so thanks for this source, now I am sure who is real psychopath

 

[vivaxardas2015]

It is not about obligations of the Lodge, the Lodge is an organization, it can't be a sociopath. It is about obligations of individuals. Sabrina had obligations as a state official. If a US citizen joins some foreign organization, it does not absolve him from his obligations as a citizen. So if he starts killing people because some foreign organization demands it, he is a criminal.

All right, let's say there are a lot of sociopaths who rule. So what? Let's exchange them for other sociopaths who want to rule and see what happened? Only the sociopaths who rule now created a system that works, and they provide security for the people in their states. You propose to start an experiment - to destroy the state powers and social order, to create a temporary chaos in the North, in order to give power to a bunch of other sociopaths with a hope that they would rule better? Well, it really throws all the previous talk about cruelty and casualties among civilians out of the window. And without any indication that in a long run the North would be better for it, just a blind faith in a vision of a bunch of old hags is not enough for me. So no, thanks, I prefer just to kill them.

In essence, what sorceresses are trying to do is a conquest from within, while what Emhyr is doing is a conquest from outside. None of them has any excuse or justification, but at least the Empire is something that follows understandable, centuries-old rules, and this system works. I personally found the entire imperial plot against the mages, culminating with a massacre in Loc Muinne, by the hands of the northmen themselves, brilliant and a real fun. It is clearly evil, but, honestly, I do not care. I am a very evil, but very honest, imperial guy. />/>/>

 

[sfinx]

Sabrina had obligations as a state official.

That is no as important as Lodge (for each member).

All right, let's say there are a lot of sociopaths who rule. So what? Let's exchange them for other sociopaths who want to rule and see what happened? Only the sociopaths who rule now created a system that works, and they provide security for the people in their states.

But that is not true. First thing - also after this test I see kings as worse. Second - system doesn't work. I already said about Nilfgaard - also there were many unsatisfied people and I think attpempt for revolution, which maybe could success (I think people would not have problem with that). And when we look on the North - non-human and human ... first problem, fights between kings ... second problem, whole unstabile countries,... many problems are there.
And good things? And maybe most of good things were done by advisors (sorceresses) - just like plans to defeat Nilfgaard - not just in Sodden, but also advices by Sheala, which were necesarry for creating powerful army.

You propose to start an experiment - to destroy the state powers and social order

Why you think this could lead to chaos? I am not saying sorceresses will be the queens. They don't even want that and they don't want to destroy everything, what was mainly their work.

 

[vivaxardas2015]

Why would it lead to chaos? Well, the kings would never step down voluntarily. They have to be killed.
After this for a period of time there will be no central authority. Social chaos will bring out the worst in people. The barons will start wars for dominance, their troupes will raid countryside, killing, raping and pillaging. Robbed peasants would form armed gangs to defend themselves. They will also rob, rape and pillage. The ones who will suffer most are young women, children, and old people, who are customarily raped and killed, both for pleasure, and fun. But even strong capable men would spend all their time in fear of being killed by stronger men. No one will get a good night sleep. People will be hiding in the forests, or in cellars, constantly afraid of every sound. When such situation lasts too long, people would be ready to kiss feet of anybody who brings stability and order, any kind of order, be that nilfgaardians or someone else. It is a very effective strategy for a conquest, but it is evil as hell, with a very high body count.

 

[sfinx]

Why would it lead to chaos? Well, the kings would never step down voluntarily. They have to be killed.

That is not true - you forget - they already ruled the North. They wanted to eliminate just one weak king and create one powerful state, which could stand against Nilfgaard as first wall of the North. We can't say it was stupid idea. They know a lot about politics and wars as I said. Philippa was for long time the highest person in her kingdom - and was it bad? Or was it just problem for one proud brad?
I repeat - they stay behind developing of the North and they defended it. Peace was also their work.

After this for a period of time there will be no central authority. Social chaos will bring out the worst in people.

Again - you created whole new story - based on your bad meaning about sorceresses. They eliminated just one weak king, that is all. Why they didn't eliminate Foltest, if you think they wanted this? Why Philippa said to you: "We don't want to kill Henselt." She doesn't like him, but she warned you about civilian war, which could started.

In Loc Muinne - that is another episode - they were pushed into the corner.

The barons will start wars for dominance, their troupes will raid countryside, killing, raping and pillaging. Robbed peasants would form armed gangs to defend themselves. They will also rob, rape and pillage. The ones who will suffer most are young women, children, and old people, who are customarily raped and killed, both for pleasure, and fun. But even strong capable men would spend all their time in fear of being killed by stronger men.

Really funny - sorry, but your story doesn't have anything to do with actions of sorceresses, but it's quite good
Also - you described acts of war - normal plans of KINGS - so kings have to be eliminated, otherwise you will get, what you wrote. Same with emperor - his actions will bring just chaos. His plans are plans of Germany - conquer whole world and bring own order - that is simply imposible.

Second part describes position of non-human .. to live in fear, to hide in forest. Again - kings did nothing with this, just actions of sorceresses put nobles, human and non-human together, they fight together and maybe they will finally live together. Maybe not, but I will support any attempt.

When such situation lasts too long, people would be ready to kiss feet of anybody who brings stability and order, any kind of order, be that nilfgaardians or someone else. It is a very effective strategy for a conquest, but it is evil as hell, with a very high body count.

Yes - now you described why Scoia'tael was created. Thanks to Emhyr for supporting treators and bringing chaos to the North. Thanks to king for ignoring problem, which led to this situation.

 

[vivaxardas2015]

That is not true - you forget - they already ruled the North. They wanted to eliminate just one weak king and create one powerful state, which could stand against Nilfgaard as first wall of the North. We can't say it was stupid idea. They know a lot about politics and wars as I said. Philippa was for long time the highest person in her kingdom - and was it bad? Or was it just problem for one proud brad?
I repeat - they stay behind developing of the North and they defended it. Peace was also their work.

Again - you created whole new story - based on your bad meaning about sorceresses. They eliminated just one weak king, that is all. Why they didn't eliminate Foltest, if you think they wanted this? Why Philippa said to you: "We don't want to kill Henselt." She doesn't like him, but she warned you about civilian war, which could started.

In Loc Muinne - that is another episode - they were pushed into the corner.

Really funny - sorry, but your story doesn't have anything to do with actions of sorceresses, but it's quite good />/>/>
Also - you described acts of war - normal plans of KINGS - so kings have to be eliminated, otherwise you will get, what you wrote. Same with emperor - his actions will bring just chaos. His plans are plans of Germany - conquer whole world and bring own order - that is simply imposible.

Second part describes position of non-human .. to live in fear, to hide in forest. Again - kings did nothing with this, just actions of sorceresses put nobles, human and non-human together, they fight together and maybe they will finally live together. Maybe not, but I will support any attempt.

Yes - now you described why Scoia'tael was created. Thanks to Emhyr for supporting treators and bringing chaos to the North. Thanks to king for ignoring problem, which led to this situation.

No, you get what I desribe when kings, or any central authority, are eliminated. You do not get an order by killing off the heads of the states, in a situation when there is no clear succession procedure. The sorceresses created a small chaos in Aedirn in order to create a new state in a Pontar Valley. BTW, look up the Pontar Valley on the map. it is kind of far from Yaruga in order to be a first wall of defence against Nilfgaard, you know.

I am not creating a story, btw. I describe a way people behave, and how things develop during any conflict in a conflict zone that is not controlled by any side. It is not a story, it is a sad reality in many places in the past, in the present, and in the future.

If Stennis is alive, crowning him will restore the order. If not - you get a real nice depiction of what will happen. Is the lodge's goal achieved by a creation of a free state? Only as long as Saskia is under Philippa control, this state would obey the Lodge. And I doubt that they would stop even here.
Well, you obviously will always think that the Lodge will bring peace and prosperity without extreme bloodshed, they will create a kingdom of heaven on earth, and will rule like a bunch of she-angels. Often your reply indicates that you did not really get what I am trying to say, so we are pretty much talking past each other. Whatever.

 

[wichat]

Between both of you I can see to persons l

 

[sfinx]

No, you get what I desribe when kings, or any central authority, are eliminated. You do not get an order by killing off the heads of the states

You are still repeating this, but simply that is not true.
Where si their desire to eliminate every king? When Philippa nearly forbided you to kill Henselt? When Sheala protected him from kingslayer? Or when you get the informations about background of Foltest's murder?

I really don't understand where you get this? You don't like sorceresses, because they will bring chaos - that is not true and even better - you would like to support Nilfgaard, which wanted to bring chaos on the North - no matter about future plans. You hate sorcerreses for what Nilfgaard did

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I am not creating a story, btw. I describe a way people behave, and how things develop during any conflict in a conflict zone that is not controlled by any side. It is not a story, it is a sad reality in many places in the past, in the present, and in the future.

Reality? Yes - but you added that realitty to wrong side. This was real, but not because of sorceresses, but because of Nilfgaard and kings. You just created story, how things could develope under hands of sorceresses, but that is just your imaginations - based on wrong informations (like elimination of the kings). But your images were right - when Nilfgaard came, when Nilfgaard came again, when kaedweni army invaded Aedirn, when emperor supported Scoia'tael, when he betrayed them, each time, when one king attacked another - your images came true. Now you have whole history filled with your images of pain and suffering - you just don't want to hear whom those images belong to.

The sorceresses created a small chaos in Aedirn in order to create a new state in a Pontar Valley.

That small chaos kicked arse of noble strong king.

BTW, look up the Pontar Valley on the map. it is kind of far from Yaruga in order to be a first wall of defence against Nilfgaard, you know.

Pontar maybe wasn't their only goal - maybe bigger part of Aedirn or whole country. Philippa said that right - yes we want to rule - like everyone else, but I can do that better (or something like this) - and that is true. She has a lot of experience and good potential to create strong state.

If Stennis is alive, crowning him will restore the order.

Really nice - sorceresses are bad, because they ordered to kill Demawend, but this small poisoner, which didn't want to give small amount of blood to someone who saved his life is good?

If not - you get a real nice depiction of what will happen. Is the lodge's goal achieved by a creation of a free state? Only as long as Saskia is under Philippa control, this state would obey the Lodge. And I doubt that they would stop even here.

That is not problem. If that would be free state, maybe even better than others, why not? Now you just see the problem in sorceresses, not in their actions. If there would be chaos, when Henselt's army arrives (just like in Flotsam) and civilian people will suffer under raids of his army, or if there will be Stannis - weak, but so proud "king" intead of Saskia - beloved and respected leader - would that be better? Philippa and Sheala created good state with beloved queen, state which defeated itself against powerfull regular army, where are probably very good conditions for life for each race. Maybe even Scoia'tael will find their place there.
(And Geralt will there be like welcomed guest. Maybe just guest, but still better than conditions of witchers in Nilfgaard, which Letho mentioned. Yes - Emhyr gave him promise for witchers, as he did for Squirrels )

Well, you obviously will always think that the Lodge will bring peace and prosperity without extreme bloodshed, they will create a kingdom of heaven on earth, and will rule like a bunch of she-angels.

We don't know anything what will happend if they get the power, but sure we know - kings won't stop with their wars, Nilfgaard will bring chaos and lot of death and some states ruled by sorceresses is much more real than one big empire, where everything goes perfectly and everyone is happy, everywhere is order,... and other fairy tales.

// again I finished the game..
You are really perfect one to supporting Nilfgaard - as Letho said - mission was to bring chaos in the North and accuse sorceresses from that.

When I saw, what other sides (kings) did on that meeting...they can't even sit next to each other without fight. It wasn't necesarry to use dragon - right after avoiding that tragedy, they started to fight between them. At least Philippa and Sheala had reason - they could die, but this madness..? Really nice.
But that peacemakers chopped each other with conventional weapons ... hurray!
Some raping was there,.. nice.
Nilfgaard brought chaos into the North, where he failed, kings did that for him. And sorceresses? They maybe were really stupid - for example, when Sheala protected Henselt from kingslayer instead of letting die that noble proud king - that was stupid.

Often your reply indicates that you did not really get what I am trying to say, so we are pretty much talking past each other. Whatever.

Tuesday

Sorry, but that was not my intention, my english is not perfect as you can read - correct me when I get something wrong.

That is nice, but who won?
(don't answer )

 

[vivaxardas2015]

That is nice, but who won? />
(don't answer /> )

Only the ones who prefer not to waste time anymore.

 

[wichat]

Only the ones who prefer not to waste time anymore.

Learning is never a wasted time! And I do a lot with two of you! />