Doubts about Yeenefer TW2 [SPOILER]

[douglasmedeiros]

Doubts about Yeenefer TW2

Spoiler

Hello, here I am again and once again many information is in Polish and I'm confused. good let go.

In TW2 says that after the massacre Rivia Geralt and Yen are taken by CIRI, they stay on the island. Ciri leaves and later are attacked by wild hunt. then the Wild Hunt lead Yen and Geralt will behind her, the way he meets Letho that helps you find her. they come to a place where the hostages are being hanged.

far right?

Geralt to save Yen him of his soul to the Wild Hunt right? however it was actually only his memories or when he dies the soul really anger them?

Ok he lost his memory because of this but Yen also lost his memory? it losing or not how it got in Nifigard and away from Geralt?

has some idea why the Wild Hunt are behind the Yen?

*if no clear forgive me, my English is not the best but I can rephrase the question.

 

[Sephira]

Meeting the Wild Hunt causes a loss of memory so yeah, Geralt lost it, Yennefer too.

About this, in the games there's no clear reason why it happened, so here are my 2 cents: Wild Hunt followed Yennefer and Geralt to use them as a bait to find Ciri, so the King picked up Yennefer the first time then he gladly accepted Geralt's soul instead of Yen's, probably he didn't find what he wanted to.
Geralt was not alone when he went to the hangman's tree, Letho and his fellow witchers were there, so they took Yennefer with them... then we know that they teamed up with Emhyr, and regicides began... then the Lodge story... (etc...)

 

[StaGiors]

The way I see it is like this.

First of all, Geralt and Yennefer were taken to the Isle of Avallac'h by Ciri. Ciri then had to leave them there, probably because of some deal she made with Avallac'h, so that Geralt and Yennefer can be safe from the Wild Hunt.

I guess that deal went wrong somehow, because the Wild Hunt attacked Geralt and Yennefer. Yennefer was captured and Geralt had to chase after the Wild Hunt to get her back.

He met Letho and they tracked down the Hunt. They fought and Geralt ended up making a deal with Eredin, the King of the Wild Hunt. Yennefer goes free if he joins the Hunt. Which is what happened.

Now if you notice, Yennefer had amnesia when she was travelling with Letho. My guess is that, if you travel with the Hunt for some time, you experience symptoms of amnesia. The theory is supported by other stories of people who claim to have been captured by the Hunt and return to the witcher world practically crazy.

Same thing happened to Geralt. He rode with the Hunt for 2 years. And he returned with amnesia.

I don't think Yennefer still has amnesia, since Geralt himself is cured. Also the Hunt is after Ciri, not Yennefer. Geralt is trying to find Yennefer, and apparently through her, Ciri.

Hope this clears some things.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

Our questions will be answered in May
I guess...

 

[douglasmedeiros]

Meeting the Wild Hunt causes a loss of memory so yeah, Geralt lost it, Yennefer too.

About this, in the games there's no clear reason why it happened, so here are my 2 cents: Wild Hunt followed Yennefer and Geralt to use them as a bait to find Ciri, so the King picked up Yennefer the first time then he gladly accepted Geralt's soul instead of Yen's, probably he didn't find what he wanted to.
Geralt was not alone when he went to the hangman's tree, Letho and his fellow witchers were there, so they took Yennefer with them... then we know that they teamed up with Emhyr, and regicides began... then the Lodge story... (etc...)

Amazing, I really did not know that Geralt had walked with the wild hunt. now makes more sense everything that happened and how Yen ended up in nifigard

thanks a lot

 

[wichat]

As our beloved Dr. House hold that everybody lies, in Geralt world, everybody has lied to Geralt in one or other grade.
In TW1 Geralt ask to Ezkel if he has heard the electric storm, Ezkel answer him that was the reason they go out and then fthey found him yelling and running in the forest. For one reason Geralt can scape from The Wild Hunt in Kaer Morhen sorroundings.

Triss, control him as she asserts to the woman of the mirror. And she pressures him forget his pass and make a new personality. Here we don't know if Triss aware if Yen is alive. After 2 years, as a sorceress of the Lodge she must to know it. But....

In TW2 despite all the secuencies of facts and his murders, Letho never harm any sorceress, ¿? and all wh have is the stories form Letho and Triss about her kidnapping by him, no further information. When you meet Letho in the final chapter, Triss doesn't seem very angry with him ¿? (hey man, he kidnapped her, he used her powers and he left her drop near trolls!) But...

So... if everybody lies... which is the truth?

AS @Ljesnjanin says Our questions will be answered in May - I guess...

 

[Lieste]

Whatever else Letho does or doesn't do, not harming Sorceresses isn't one of them.

Spoiler

He deliberately and knowingly compromises Sile's telecommunicator. While she *can* survive it is by actions of others than Letho.

 

[wichat]

Whatever else Letho does or doesn't do, not harming Sorceresses isn't one of them.

Spoiler

He deliberately and knowingly compromises Sile's telecommunicator. While she *can* survive it is by actions of others than Letho.

Once all the complot was discorveed...

 

[blameless75]

then we know that they teamed up with Emhyr, and regicides began... then the Lodge story... (etc...)

In fact they first got captured by the Nilfgaardians, which happened because since Yennefer suffered amnesia she was doing silly things all the time then they end up being caught and Emhyr found a way to have them team up with him, e.g. he promised Letho to rebuild the School of the Viper.

 

[wichat]

In fact they first got captured by the Nilfgaardians, which happened because since Yennefer suffered amnesia she was doing silly things all the time then they end up being caught and Emhyr found a way to have them team up with him, e.g. he promised Letho to rebuild the School of the Viper.

The gamer, we, know that by Letho's words... We're playing in Geralt's worlds, nobody is good or evil, and everybody lies....

I mean, anything said by a character and not playing directly by the gamer can be changed by CDPR easely

 

[secondchildren]

The way I see it is like this.

First of all, Geralt and Yennefer were taken to the Isle of Avallac'h by Ciri. Ciri then had to leave them there, probably because of some deal she made with Avallac'h, so that Geralt and Yennefer can be safe from the Wild Hunt.

I was thinking that it may most likely refer to the Island of Malus/Avalon, that in the Arthurian mythology is the island where the Lady of the Lake carries Lancelot body. With all the reference to Sapkowski's Lady of the Lake. Thus the island is simply a metaphor for the afterlife.
How the Wild Hunt came to that Island and why is still unknown
In the game it's spelled Island of Avallach (Avallach-->Avalon) not sure if it actually refers to Avallac'h the elf.

Spoiler

As afair the Aen Elle lost the GAte of the Wordls

Also, it's my interpretation that Geralt and Yen lost memories because of their state of death (or whatever it was).

 

[wichat]

It is clearly said in books (I don't remember in games) that all people who was abduced by the Wild Hunt and survived lost their memories.

 

[AutumnalWanderer]

As our beloved Dr. House hold that everybody lies, in Geralt world, everybody has lied to Geralt in one or other grade.
In TW1 Geralt ask to Ezkel if he has heard the electric storm, Ezkel answer him that was the reason they go out and then fthey found him yelling and running in the forest. For one reason Geralt can scape from The Wild Hunt in Kaer Morhen sorroundings.

Triss, control him as she asserts to the woman of the mirror. And she pressures him forget his pass and make a new personality. Here we don't know if Triss aware if Yen is alive. After 2 years, as a sorceress of the Lodge she must to know it. But....

In TW2 despite all the secuencies of facts and his murders, Letho never harm any sorceress, ¿? and all wh have is the stories form Letho and Triss about her kidnapping by him, no further information. When you meet Letho in the final chapter, Triss doesn't seem very angry with him ¿? (hey man, he kidnapped her, he used her powers and he left her drop near trolls!) But...

So... if everybody lies... which is the truth?

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Don't forget this scene, which is starting from 7:15

 

[StaGiors]

I was thinking that it may most likely refer to the Island of Malus/Avalon, that in the Arthurian mythology is the island where the Lady of the Lake carries Lancelot body. With all the reference to Sapkowski's Lady of the Lake. Thus the island is simply a metaphor for the afterlife.
How the Wild Hunt came to that Island and why is still unknown
In the game it's spelled Island of Avallach (Avallach-->Avalon) not sure if it actually refers to Avallac'h the elf.

Spoiler

As afair the Aen Elle lost the GAte of the Wordls

Also, it's my interpretation that Geralt and Yen lost memories because of their state of death (or whatever it was).

Yeah it does make sense, you know Sapkowski's ending of the Saga allows so much freedom.

The Isle of Avallach is certainly an interesting location. I remember the scene, Ihuarraquax arriving from the lake, and "apparently" healing Geralt. Then a boat. My mind definitely flew to the boats the Aen Elle used. Someone must've sent that boat. I mean it traveled through space and time.

After that Ciri knew what she had to do. Like instantly. Her mind was completely clear, as if she had her whole life plan laid out in front of her. And then she did what she did.

Some Aen Elle can still "travel" between worlds. And influence things. Avallac'h is one of them. The Wild Hunt can as well.

And yeah @wichat is right about the books. Also in TW2 there are many occasions that it was mentioned. In the book you find at the Crypts in Vergen for example.

I don't know, I would say that Sapkowski just took the characters somewhere that we (the readers) won't bother anymore. Something like retirement. To wait there, for when and if he needs them again.

And then CDPR found them.

 

[wichat]

...

If you have not read the books, that conversation of men can have a point, but if, as I did, read the books and replayed thsis scene has not at all any sense. How can Jaskier or Zoltan talking about family and weddings if they were quite awarded of the relation between Geralt and Yenn after 20 years?.

BTW, when Geralt meets Jaskier in the party of Shani, he said that Milva and Cahir were present when Geralt was killed by the peasant!!!!!...

 

[AutumnalWanderer]

If you have not read the books, that conversation of men can have a point, but if, as I did, read the books and replayed thsi scene has not at all any sense. ÇHow can JAskier or Zoltan talking about family and weddings if they were quite awarded of the relation between Geralt and Yenn after 20 years?.

BTW, when Gerlat meet Jaskier in the party of Shani, he said that Milve and Cahir were present when Geralt was killed by the peasant....

Not all of them, the publisher in Hungary not seems to be in a big hurry for translate it. But I heard rumors that the Baptism of Fire will be come out after TW3 releases, and eventually we will get all of them. Hopefully...

 

[wichat]

Not all of them, the publisher in Hungary not seems to be in a big hurry for translate it. But I heard rumors that the Baptism of Fire will be come out after TW3 releases, and eventually we will get all of them. Hopefully...

Ok then make a family is the Geral's greatest dream, as the greatest Yen's dream is to be a mother. Hope that doesn't be a big spoiler for you.

 

[AutumnalWanderer]

Ok then make a family is the Geral's greatest dream, as the greatest Yen's dream is to be a mother. Hope that doesn't be a big spoiler for you.

No, Gealrt's dream is in one of the short stories, which I read recently

 

[Lieste]

If you have not read the books, that conversation of men can have a point, but if, as I did, read the books and replayed thsis scene has not at all any sense. How can Jaskier or Zoltan talking about family and weddings if they were quite awarded of the relation between Geralt and Yenn after 20 years?.

BTW, when Geralt meets Jaskier in the party of Shani, he said that Milva and Cahir were present when Geralt was killed by the peasant!!!!!...

That is in the books. (My comment)

Spoiler

(If not at the time when he was killed, during the aftermath when he "died" and was taken away)

(Quotation)

Spoiler

The unicorn once more shook its horn and began to disappear in the white fog.

“Kelpie,” Ciri said. “Go with him.”

Kelpie snorted. She shook her head. Then obediently walked behind the unicorn. Her
shoes made an echoing sound on the cobblestones. Then the sound abruptly stopped, as
if the mare had taken flght, disappeared or dematerialised.

The boat was on the shore, a few moments after the fog dissolved, Triss saw it clearly.
It was a tatty old barge, formless as a trough in a barn.

“Help me,” Ciri said, fimly and decisively.

At first no one knew what the girl wanted help with. The poet was the fist to
understand. Perhaps because he knew the legend that he frequently lectured on and
sang its verses. In his arms he picked up Yennefer. He marvelled at how small and light
she was. He would have sworn that someone helped him lift her. He would have sworn
that he felt Cahir’s arms helping. That he caught a glimpse of Milva’s braid. He would
have sworn that when he took the sorceress to the boat, he saw Angoulême’s little hand
holding it steady.

The dwarves picked up the witcher, Triss helped them, holding his head. Yarpen
Zigrin blinked for a second, because he saw the two Dahlberg brothers. Zoltan Chivay
would have sworn that Caleb Stratton helped him lift the witcher into the boat. Triss
Merigold was sure that she could smell the perfume of Lytta Neyd called Coral and in a
haze of yellow-green her eyes saw Coen of Kaer Morhen.

These tricks were brought to their minds by the dense fog around Loc Eskalott.

“Ready, Ciri,” the sorceress said dully. “Your boat is waiting.”

Ciri brushed the hair from her forehead and sniffed.

 

[wichat]

That is in the books. (My comment)

Spoiler

(If not at the time when he was killed, during the aftermath when he "died" and was taken away)

(Quotation)

Spoiler

The unicorn once more shook its horn and began to disappear in the white fog.

“Kelpie,” Ciri said. “Go with him.”

Kelpie snorted. She shook her head. Then obediently walked behind the unicorn. Her
shoes made an echoing sound on the cobblestones. Then the sound abruptly stopped, as
if the mare had taken flght, disappeared or dematerialised.

The boat was on the shore, a few moments after the fog dissolved, Triss saw it clearly.
It was a tatty old barge, formless as a trough in a barn.

“Help me,” Ciri said, fimly and decisively.

At first no one knew what the girl wanted help with. The poet was the fist to
understand. Perhaps because he knew the legend that he frequently lectured on and
sang its verses. In his arms he picked up Yennefer. He marvelled at how small and light
she was. He would have sworn that someone helped him lift her. He would have sworn
that he felt Cahir’s arms helping. That he caught a glimpse of Milva’s braid. He would
have sworn that when he took the sorceress to the boat, he saw Angoulême’s little hand
holding it steady.

The dwarves picked up the witcher, Triss helped them, holding his head. Yarpen
Zigrin blinked for a second, because he saw the two Dahlberg brothers. Zoltan Chivay
would have sworn that Caleb Stratton helped him lift the witcher into the boat. Triss
Merigold was sure that she could smell the perfume of Lytta Neyd called Coral and in a
haze of yellow-green her eyes saw Coen of Kaer Morhen.

These tricks were brought to their minds by the dense fog around Loc Eskalott.

“Ready, Ciri,” the sorceress said dully. “Your boat is waiting.”

Ciri brushed the hair from her forehead and sniffed.

I afraid you don't understand me. If you wnat I write it in Sapnish and then some volunteer could translate it in English. But I must apologize that I cannot express clearly in English. Sorry.
Or mayybe you are quoting the text for those who hasn't could read them. If so, thank you.