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chance52

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#2,761
Oct 3, 2014
I don't blame studios for taking inspiration at all. There have been a number of studios that came out and said they actively look at other games in the industry to see what works and what doesn't to hopefully improve the overall quality of games. I would be shocked if the Witcher devs didn't play Bethesda games when they decided to make the Witcher 3 open world for example. You should to see what worked what didn't and hopefully push the concept further and make it better.
 
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Garrison72

Mentor
#2,762
Oct 3, 2014
Unkindled said:
If you ask me, them taking inspiration from the witcher is a good thing. Too bad they didn't use said inspiration where it actually matters. Like armor and weapon design and combat. Grenades not withstanding.
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I see some similarities in the armor design, ie; it's more detailed, historically based and straptastic. CDPR artists love their straps, it looks good but you have to wonder at their function. :p Also, Cassandra can blast people off ledges, like Aard. There's the Barrier spell which is like Quen, a time slowdown spell which is a lot like Heliotrope. They're emphasizing preparation before fights - no heal/ability spamming to act as a bandaid mid-combat, a big element of Witcher design. All this is fine, just influences and there's nothing wrong with that. But Bioware will sometimes copy major story premises and that's when I call bullshit.
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#2,763
Oct 3, 2014
slimgrin said:
All this is fine, just influences and there's nothing wrong with that. But Bioware will sometimes copy major story premises and that's when I call bullshit.
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Give us an example, please.
 
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Unkindled

Rookie
#2,764
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
But I like the armors...It's a matter of taste. Some people like realistic armor, some people like flashier armors. I happen to like both types.
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I can understand wanting something more original. I play TES.

And here comes that pretentious Latin phrase, de gustibus non est disputandum.

However, no ones gonna convince me that the white armor set looks good. The one in that last gameplay video posted. There's more armor of course, but without fail, every DA game has me hunting for armor sets and pieces that actually look decent, and not ridiculous, with huge gauntlets and pauldrons. Hope I spelled that right.

Half the time, I was using cruddy inferior armor simply because the better stuff looked like shit. That's just me. And to be honest, witcher's gear wasn't the greatest either. But it at least didn't look cartoonishly stupid.

That's just my opinion. It was bad enough last time that they had to release dlc for more clothes, which makes me think they purposefully made the clothes bare bones and dull. Wouldn't be surprised with their on disc day 1 dlc.

Edit: @slimgrin, that's very good then, as far as gameplay goes. And I love straps too :lol: so no complaints here on that front.

Edit2: also, I did mention before with @Veleda that the stuff about no healing mages so you couldn't spam heal during combat was a good thing for suspense of battle, same as witcher's setup where you can only heal with potions or rare enchantments.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#2,765
Oct 3, 2014
I don't think it's terrible if DA borrows from The Witcher. It's like if a band sells out and starts making shitty music and then newer, better bands take over. And the sellouts start opening for and imitating the new, talented band.

Just shows who's at the top, being creative.
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#2,766
Oct 3, 2014
.Volsung. said:
I don't think it's terrible if DA borrows from The Witcher. It's like if a band sells out and starts making shitty music and then newer, better bands take over. And the sellouts start opening for and imitating the new, talented band.

Just shows who's at the top, being creative.
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Since you dislike the series so much, maybe you should stop giving it attention. I don't understand people like you, why invest so much energy in something you don't like or something you "know" will fail?
 
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Unkindled

Rookie
#2,767
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
Since you dislike the series so much, maybe you should stop giving it attention. I don't understand people like you, why invest so much energy in something you don't like or something you "know" will fail?
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I know that he shows disdain in his post towards the series, but why even bring that up? That wasn't at all what he was saying in this instance. He was saying he thought it a good thing that dai took inspirations from witcher. He did it in a condescending manner, but so what.

Also, other people's reasons for wanting to comment on something isn't really your business, and not there for you to understand.
 
eskiMoe

eskiMoe

Mentor
#2,768
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
Since you dislike the series so much, maybe you should stop giving it attention. I don't understand people like you, why invest so much energy in something you don't like or something you "know" will fail?
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/constructive+criticism
 
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octavian123

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#2,769
Oct 3, 2014
Unkindled said:
I know that he shows disdain in his post towards the series, but why even bring that up? That wasn't at all what he was saying in this instance. He was saying he thought it a good thing that dai took inspirations from witcher. He did it in a condescending manner, but so what.

Also, other people's reasons for wanting to comment on something isn't really your business, and not there for you to understand.
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I didn't tell him to stop commenting. It just seems strange to me to waste energy on something you "know" will fail. If you truly think something is crap and not worth it, ignore it.
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#2,770
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
Give us an example, please.
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It's mainly with Mass Effect, which is well documented for anyone willing to google the tropes it borrows, and it does borrow heavily. It was also accepted that ME2 basically plonked GOW cover-based combat into ME2, completely abandoning the foundation laid by the first game, but it was an improvement so few cared. Anyhow, this is a rabbit hole the moderators don't want us going down so I'll drop it.

Incidentally, someone made a post to dial down the spell effects and I couldn't agree more.

http://forum.bioware.com/topic/514785-option-to-turn-down-spell-effects/
 
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octavian123

Forum veteran
#2,771
Oct 3, 2014
eskimoe said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/constructive+criticism
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Most of the criticism leveled against Dragon Age around here (and not only) is not constructive at all, rather just hate-mongering (in some cases hating its fans too by calling them "biodrones") and overblowing things out of proportion like the case with the potions and UI which really is very silly. It's such a small thing that it's not really worth arguing over but the fact that some posters blew it out of proportion is amusing to me.

slimgrin said:
It's mainly with Mass Effect, which is well documented for anyone willing to google the tropes it borrows, and it does borrow heavily. It was also accepted that ME2 basically plonked GOW cover-based combat into ME2, completely abandoning the foundation laid by the first game, but it was an improvement so few cared. Anyhow, this is a rabbit hole the moderators don't want us going down so I'll drop it.

Incidentally, someone made a post to dial down the spell effects and I couldn't agree more.

http://forum.bioware.com/topic/514785-option-to-turn-down-spell-effects/
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If we go by your logic then all fantasy RPGs developers should be burned at the stake for ripping off Tolkien.
 
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Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#2,772
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
If we go by your logic then all fantasy RPGs developers should be burned at the stake for ripping off Tolkien.
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Given the armies of authors and game devs who have copied Tolkien, I say that's getting off light.
 
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Unkindled

Rookie
#2,773
Oct 3, 2014
Cormacolindor said:
I didn't tell him to stop commenting. It just seems strange to me to waste energy on something you "know" will fail. If you truly think something is crap and not worth it, ignore it.
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You didn't outright, but you may as well have asked him to. It's a discussion, and people want to discuss games. Perhaps he expresses his opinion and gives it attention because he'd like games like this to be better. That's why I do despite not being excited for this game. I liked origins and wish they didn't stray so far from what made origins good.

Regardless of the reason, it's no ones business why someone chooses to participate unless they're just outright being a dick and or troll.

But that's enough of that. Continue.

edit: That said, yea, a few users on here do need to quit sniffing their own farts when talking about games that are "beneath them" in sophistication, or whatever the hell. Some people tend to be too stubborn and fanboyish, but still. That post you responded to didn't deserve the response you gave.
 
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Cheylus

Cheylus

Senior user
#2,774
Oct 3, 2014
Just FYI, there was already grenades in Dragon Age since DA:O. As far as I know, the crafting in DA:I is basically the same with more variations, ingredients, recipes.
The menu looked like a more polished DA2 menu to me, TW2 never crossed my mind.

Cassandra can blast people off ledges, like Aard. There's the Barrier spell which is like Quen, a time slowdown spell which is a lot like Heliotrope. They're emphasizing preparation before fights - no heal/ability spamming to act as a bandaid mid-combat, a big element of Witcher design.
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Yeah... right. Features appearing in dozens of games, but thankfully The Witcher is the crowning achievement of the RPG genre.
I couldn't think of one thing in TW series that I didn't see or do in another game. The Witcher doesn't innovate, they didn't even create the setting; what CDPR is good for so far is quality and, in some departments, excellency.

Allegedly Morrigan's son, by the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47
 
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Unkindled

Rookie
#2,775
Oct 3, 2014
Cheylus said:
Allegedly Morrigan's son, by the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47
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Gah, fuck! What the hell is that. Please let it be a joke. Or some Tumblr fan art or something.

Kill it, kill it with fire.

 
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Luxorek

Forum veteran
#2,776
Oct 3, 2014
Cheylus said:
Allegedly Morrigan's son, by the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47
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So kawaii!
 
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goopit

Forum veteran
#2,777
Oct 3, 2014
Cheylus;1425741 Allegedly Morrigan's son said:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47[/spoiler]
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looks like a wimp. kill it Morrigan, we shall make another

we need a russian dude to read that text
 
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Cs__sz__r

Rookie
#2,778
Oct 3, 2014
Cheylus said:
Just FYI, there was already grenades in Dragon Age since DA:O. As far as I know, the crafting in DA:I is basically the same with more variations, ingredients, recipes.
The menu looked like a more polished DA2 menu to me, TW2 never crossed my mind.


Yeah... right. Features appearing in dozens of games, but thankfully The Witcher is the crowning achievement of the RPG genre.
I couldn't think of one thing in TW series that I didn't see or do in another game. The Witcher doesn't innovate, they didn't even create the setting; what CDPR is good for so far is quality and, in some departments, excellency.

Allegedly Morrigan's son, by the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47
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Wow, another sweet fucking hat.


Is her alleged son and that other douchebag going to fight it out at the end over supremacy of the douche hat cult?

So many possibilities.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#2,779
Oct 3, 2014
1) This is a public forum. People discuss nonsense all day long.
2) The comparison was fair. Bioware lost its former position and now even they look up to CDPR.
3) I post here because I am curious about DAI. At its current state it looks like an abomination and I'll likely not play it, but I enjoyed DAO and Awakenings and was very disappointed with DA2 which I preordered. If anything, Bioware owes me and many others a game (one they apparently can't deliver). I've been playing Bioware games since BG. I have the right to complain. And yes there is a lot of resentment, unless you liked DA2.
4) We should all criticize shitty products if we truly care about the future of this hobby. Let it loose and Destiny happens.
 
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Veleda.980

Rookie
#2,780
Oct 3, 2014
Cheylus said:
Allegedly Morrigan's son, by the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1012406_10204237732576100_2081802759398232860_n.jpg?oh=b61f8852652b46807843bed04b1f8af4&oe=54C9F4CB&__gda__=1422163361_c6ab7d50c02959fdd1f46ab8905b2e47
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She dresses her son just like her own outfit? That kid's going to have issues. So many issues.
 
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