Elder Speech Resources.

[ushiromiyareiji]

Elder Speech Resources.

Hello, fellow Sapkowski fans.I'm not at home right now, so I can't check, and it's been some time since I last read the books.Furthermore, the Internet is sinfully slow here, so scouring pages with Google's help would be a pain in the arse.My question is, is there a page, dedicated to Elder speech, other than the page at the wiki?I'm referring more to construction of sentences and the proper places of the different particles in them - the wiki page has a relatively big collection of individual words.Again, this might have been explained in the books, but I honestly don't remember.An answer would be appreciated.Thank you for your time.

 

[ushiromiyareiji]

Sorry for bumping my own thread, but if you speak Russian, you might want to look here.I've never seen a more complete list.It has everything.

 

[legendarchitect]

Sorry for bumping my own thread, but if you speak Russian, you might want to look here.

I've never seen a more complete list.
It has everything.

i don't think the link takes you to the right place cause when you open it there's just a page where you can buy books

and yes, i would like an Elder speech guide, too, cause i have been searching for one for ages but i haven't found anything. Well, at least proper

 

[sahara]

Hello, fellow Sapkowski fans.
I'm not at home right now, so I can't check, and it's been some time since I last read the books.
Furthermore, the Internet is sinfully slow here, so scouring pages with Google's help would be a pain in the arse.

My question is, is there a page, dedicated to Elder speech, other than the page at the wiki?


I'm referring more to construction of sentences and the proper places of the different particles in them - the wiki page has a relatively big collection of individual words.

Again, this might have been explained in the books, but I honestly don't remember.

An answer would be appreciated.
Thank you for your time.

I have not found one other than the wiki i have tried to search for it but in vain so no luck i'm afraid

 

[username_3218976]

How did CDPR wrote the conversion between the elf in the army camp and Geralt? Or the ambassador and the sorceress? There are some words in those dialogs I didn't even found on the wiki, Or on the books. Did Sapkowski helped them maybe?

 

[sahara]

How did CDPR wrote the conversion between the elf in the army camp and Geralt? Or the ambassador and the sorceress? There are some words in those dialogs I didn't even found on the wiki, Or on the books. Did Sapkowski helped them maybe?

I'm just thinking out loud here but i think they must of used the books or the writer him self to translate the Elven language because what i saw in wikipedia was hardly the hole thing.

I could not found at the time this when Iorveth says peace of lembas i was like what so i started searching and went to google and i found it in some page what that meant.

I really really wish that there was some page that we could check the elven language it just sounds cool

 

[username_3218976]

I could not found at the time this when Iorveth says peace of lembas i was like what so i started searching and went to google and i found it in some page what that meant.

Lol, lembas is just another LOTR reference, The game have plenty of those.

lembas is the special food in LOTR the elves made, It stayed fresh for months.

 

[sahara]

Lol, lembas is just another LOTR reference, The game have plenty of those.

lembas is the special food in LOTR the elves made, It stayed fresh for months.

If i remember correctly it is like a bread or a cake right?

 

[freesia.430]

If i remember correctly it is like a bread or a cake right?

Rather a bread that as was said stays fresh for a very long time, much longer than any other food, so that´s why is Sam so "exited" about it in the beggining of The LOTR: The Two Towers movie (but it´s even in the book)... so it matches with the English phrase: "A piece of cake" - meaning it´s gonna be easy and without a problem.

Anyway, I´m afraid Sapkowski didn´t invented a whole elven Elder speech language, something what Tolkien did about his elves, when you actually can learn the whole thing. I mean with proper grammar, vocabulary or other rules for actual creating sentenses. And as for devs, I don´t know how they created the dialogs, but I think the idea of making them up is not so weird, you can catch up a lot from the Witcher books plus adding some words which differ a little and you have it... but that´s only my opinion.

 

[GuyNwah]

If i remember correctly it is like a bread or a cake right?

Literally "waybread". Hardtack, only you won't break your jaw on it.

Unlike Tolkien, Sapkowski did not set out to create entire languages, and there is not a lexicon or grammar of Elder Speech. Some of its vocabulary is Welsh, some is a variation on Polish, but most of it has no real-world origin I can identify.

 

[sahara]

Rather a bread that as was said stays fresh for a very long time, much longer than any other food, so that´s why is Sam so "exited" about it in the beggining of The LOTR: The Two Towers movie (but it´s even in the book)... so it matches with the English phrase: "A piece of cake" - meaning it´s gonna be easy and without a problem.

Anyway, I´m afraid Sapkowski didn´t invented a whole elven Elder speech language, something what Tolkien did about his elves, when you actually can learn the whole thing. I mean with proper grammar, vocabulary or other rules for actual creating sentenses. And as for devs, I don´t know how they created the dialogs, but I think the idea of making them up is not so weird, you can catch up a lot from the Witcher books plus adding some words which differ a little and you have it... but that´s only my opinion.

Thank you for answering i read that in some website but i had a vague memory of what it is or was
i have began reading the Blood of the Elves very interesting stuff that i did not know before.

I saw all 3 LOTR movies the 3rd was the same reference that Iorveth and Geralt makes in Vergen makes me laugh every single time

 

[sahara]

Literally "waybread". Hardtack, only you won't break your jaw on it.

Unlike Tolkien, Sapkowski did not set out to create entire languages, and there is not a lexicon or grammar of Elder Speech. Some of its vocabulary is Welsh, some is a variation on Polish, but most of it has no real-world origin I can identify.

First i wanna thank you for answering and second...
Was it that the LOTR Elven language/legends were taken from different cultures and then sort of mixed up? I think remember reading that from some magazine.

 

[username_3218976]

First i wanna thank you for answering and second...
Was it that the LOTR Elven language/legends were taken from different cultures and then sort of mixed up? I think remember reading that from some magazine.

You can read more about it here: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Elvish_languages

Very detailed information there. Tolkien writing was fantastic no one can deny that from the great characters to the amazing descriptions, but the story itself was no more than Orcs extermination, I think the fantasy genre has matured greatly since Tolkien.

 

[sahara]

You can read more about it here: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Elvish_languages

Very detailed information there, Tolkien writing was fantastic no one can deny that from the great characters to the amazing descriptions, but the story itself was no more than Orcs extermination, I think the fantasy genre has matured greatly since Tolkien.

Thank you for replying i looked at it and i did put that page for safe keeping ( i tend to loose things it's a good thing that my head is attached firmly to my neck ) so i can review it after writing to you first

 

[freesia.430]

You can read more about it here: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Elvish_languages

Very detailed information there. Tolkien writing was fantastic no one can deny that from the great characters to the amazing descriptions, but the story itself was no more than Orcs extermination, I think the fantasy genre has matured greatly since Tolkien.

Well yes, but the charm of it when you realize how "old" it is, and in what times he wrote that. Plus the range of all supportive informations - maps, language, history of lands, that´s something remarkable.

I don´t like when nowadays some people point out to fantasy stereotypes and constantly give as an example Tolkien - elves´s appearance, their noble behaviour etc.
I mean, come on guys, in his time that was something revolutionary and new. Problem is when someone is writing and using most of the cliches today, because this genre has definitely moved a lot.

I didn´t mean to offend anyone, and hope my thoughts are understandable.

 

[username_3218976]

Well yes, but the charm of it when you realize how "old" it is, and in what times he wrote that. Plus the range of all supportive informations - maps, language, history of lands, that´s something remarkable.

I don´t like when nowadays some people point out to fantasy stereotypes and constantly give as an example Tolkien - elves´s appearance, their noble behaviour etc.
I mean, come on guys, in his time that was something revolutionary and new. Problem is when someone is writing and using most of the cliches today, because this genre has definitely moved a lot.

I didn´t mean to offend anyone, and hope my thoughts are understandable.

Yes, This is a fact I forgot to mention when praising Tolkien, He did write this where stuff were more innocent in some way. Again I think he's a fantastic writer, Defiantly one of the best but I think fantasy genre has matured greatly since LOTR. I have no problem with his elves. I think many fantasy writers didn't handle the whole non-human thing as good as Sapkowski did.

for example: Surely Aragorn is the best king but what about his taxes? Or when nobles wants a land both thinks is theirs? What does he do than? Does he simply wipe them out? That's not to say Tolekin did not thought about those things, I'm sure he did plenty of research before writing LOTR but the middle earth was more focused on war with the orcs.

And for example we did saw the kings in Sapkowski novels deals with those situations / Robet Jordan novels etc, etc.

 

[freesia.430]

for example: Surely Aragorn is the best king but what about his taxes? Or when nobles wants a land both thinks is theirs? What does he do than? Does he simply wipe them out? That's not to say Tolekin did not thought about those things, I'm sure he did plenty of research before writing LOTR but the middle earth was more focused on war with the orcs.

And for example we did saw the kings in Sapkowski novels deals with those situations / Robet Jordan novels etc, etc.

That´s truly something I´ve never thought about, and honestly I have a little problem to imagine that. But it´s true that LOTR is mainly focused on the war conflict and the question of normal life is not the important issue.

Sapkowski pictured his world perfectly and from the regular person´s point of view, in my opinion... he focuses on both social and political problems, and managed to put them in a good balance in his books.

But I´m afraid we´re out of topic here

 

[username_3218976]

That´s truly something I´ve never thought about, and honestly I have a little problem to imagine that. But it´s true that LOTR is mainly focused on the war conflict and the question of normal life is not the important issue.

Sapkowski pictured his world perfectly and from the regular person´s point of view, in my opinion... he focuses on both social and political problems, and managed to put them in a good balance in his books.

But I´m afraid we´re out of topic here

Indeed, That's why I love him so much... He doesn't deal only with king's decisions, conspiracys, special agents and war but he also shows how much those things affects the normal people.

But Yeah, We did sidetrack here a bit D:

 

[freesia.430]

Indeed, That's why I love him so much... He doesn't deal only with king's decisions, conspiracys, special agents and war but he also shows how much those things affects the normal people.

But Yeah, We did sidetrack here a bit D:

Exactly. And even the political schemes are actually fun in his books. I really enjoyed the little chapters from everyday´s life about people you´d never heard of again but it gives his world another dimension and a certain charm.

May I ask what´s your native language? Obviously not English when you know the books, but it doesn´t narrow it all that much.

Let´s proceed with our conversation quickly then, before someone notices and skip back to original topic which we´ve kind of dealt with already.

 

[username_3218976]

Exactly. And even the political schemes are actually fun in his books. I really enjoyed the little chapters from everyday´s life about people you´d never heard of again but it gives his world another dimension and a certain charm.

May I ask what´s your native language? Obviously not English when you know the books, but it doesn´t narrow it all that much.

Let´s proceed with our conversation quickly then, before someone notices and skip back to original topic which we´ve kind of dealt with already.

I'm reading the fan translations.

Anyway, I think I didn't said that enough but Tolkien was a fantastic writer IMO. But than again he really didn't focus on the question of normal life, And unfortunately the best men isn't always the best king and that still a mistake many fantasy writers do.