Ending and Epiloge - Need some explanations! (Spoilers)

[VikyC]

Ending and Epiloge - Need some explanations! (Spoilers)

I just finished the game yesterday and - I LOVED IT with all my heart. but it was a clearly bitter-end , I didnt want the game to finish!!
There are though a few things that I didn't understand!! Maybe because if was so late last time when I finished it or I just missed information.

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First of all I must say that I don't get why so many are disappointed about not talking with main characters AFTER the Epiloge. The game is over. And everyone went on with their lives.
You actually get a message on the screen that you will be sent to the chapter before the last one, and I'm glad because I can finish some quests, and you need all the places untouched of the new war and Skellige intact!!! The game is finished. Everyone continued with their own lives! And Geralt is somewhere else because the story has developed.

BUT BEFORE ending the Epiloge you should have had the possibility to "talk" to everyone not only 4 of the characters!!! that was a huge disappointment. I hope Red can fix a DLC with explanations and "getting together" missions or something like that. I felt so empty and sad!!!!!! And having so many questions about what happens to all of them!

Anyway here is what I wonder:

-Why is Crach fighting Eredin on the boat all of sudden??!!! Did I miss something in the story?

-What did all the sorceress do exactly? so much work to get them and then we didn't see what they did under the last fight

-What did Ciri accomplished by herself? Is the entire white frost wiped out? how?

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[TudorAdrian]

Good points..I also agree that once the game is done they might have well ejected the us back at the main menu, with the posibiity of doing a fresh playthrough for any quests we left out..simple as that! BUT..and this is one of those big BUTs they should have went deeper with the Epilogues and characters (as you said, the Lodge, Crach etc.)...hell, the Wild Hunt were a joke of a villain ... even that Redanian troll got more lines than Eredin and depth...very, very disappointed with how they treated the Wild Hunt thread and Geralt's closure...he basically got none at all ...it all came down to Ciri...would have loved an Epilogue in the lines of the Prologue (that would have created a cool narative circle effect) but stricly related to Geralt and his take on all that happened, something that would have actually shown Geralt settling down with Triss/Yen or wandering alone like the Lone Ranger (bad ass type bla bla) and something on his fellows (not just in some silly Empress ending)...I could go beyond this and ask where's Anais, Natalis, Iorveth, Saskia etc...but then we'd just repeat what's already been said in so many threads around here..People are obviously upset and no matter how good 4M copies sold sounds, most of the fans were left feeling like there's huge chunks of the game missing/lacking...big time

 

[Maerd]

There are very popular and long threads with complaints about questions just as yours:

1. No friends to be found after the game: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/39674-Mega-SPOILERS-Immersion-Destroyer
2. Last part of the game is unfinished and messy: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/46571-Why-the-main-narrative-in-the-last-third-of-the-game-is-a-bad-hot-mess-major-spoilers!!!

In short, it seems like CDPR had run out of time to finish the game properly or decided to add more content at late stages of production and it didn't go well. You can speculate on the answers to your questions but those answers are not a part of the game currently. There are many more issues with the game despite it being fantastic. Look into the other threads.

 

[VikyC]

Thank you for the replay!

The 1st No friends to be found after the game, well I read it before writing mine and this is almost a replay for it because I don't need them AFTER the game but in the EPILOGUE

The 2nd it's awfully long, and well written in details. I see there the same frustration of the lack of information in the game's ending. Bu I just wanted some answers for three small questions..that's why I started my own thread.

 

[Maerd]

OK, then the short answers:
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-Why is Crach fighting Eredin on the boat all of sudden??!!! Did I miss something in the story?

No, you didn't miss anything. It seems like there was some content CDPR didn't finish and removed from the game but the the fight cut scenes they either didn't have time to correct or just forgot to correct them after content removal.

2.

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-What did all the sorceress do exactly? so much work to get them and then we didn't see what they did under the last fight

Magic ...they were supposed to be important but that part was not finished.

3.

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-What did Ciri accomplished by herself?

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She somehow stopped White Frost.

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Is the entire white frost wiped out?

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We don't know.

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how?

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By Magic that only the Source can understand

 

[VikyC]

Hehe, So bottom line, we will not know anything for a long time until some DLC explanations will be added!

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Very bad of CDPR to leave unfinished business in the game like that poor Crach...Ah well.

 

[Willowhugger]

I think they threw in Craite fighting because otherwise no one would give a shit about anyone dying in the fight against the Wild Hunt. It does kind of make it more morally ambiguous, though.

Because it's Skellige AND the Nilfgaard fighting the Hunt.

 

[VikyC]

AH!!! So Skellige and Niifgaard are fighting the Wild Hunt and NOT each other? I know that Nilfgaard is helping, but from the aid time at Kaer Morhen I didnt understand that they were aiding us in Skellige too!

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There is my confusion! Because of Crach talking about figthing Nilfgaard I thought they were in the middle of a own war! I was so surprised to see him with Eredin!
So both Nilfgaard and Skellige are fighting with Geralt & Company?

 

[TudorAdrian]

AH!!! So Skellige and Niifgaard are fighting the Wild Hunt and NOT each other? I know that Nilfgaard is helping, but from the aid time at Kaer Morhen I didnt understand that they were aiding us in Skellige too!

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There is my confusion! Because of Crach talking about figthing Nilfgaard I thought they were in the middle of a own war! I was so surprised to see him with Eredin!
So both Nilfgaard and Skellige are fighting with Geralt & Company?

Well it's not clearly explained unfortunately...there's just enough ambiguity for both assumptions to work..a downright mess.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

Well, everything after BoKM is...Underwhelming, to say the least...

 

[carlos2033]

AH!!! So Skellige and Niifgaard are fighting the Wild Hunt and NOT each other? I know that Nilfgaard is helping, but from the aid time at Kaer Morhen I didnt understand that they were aiding us in Skellige too!

Nilfgard came there to conquer Skellige not to help Geralt they don`t actually helping it`s more like they defend themselves from Wild Hunt.

 

[Willowhugger]

Nilfgard came there to conquer Skellige not to help Geralt they don`t actually helping it`s more like they defend themselves from Wild Hunt.

It kind of backfires on them since that's a lot of dead Nilfgaardians for no military gain.

 

[carlos2033]

It kind of backfires on them since that's a lot of dead Nilfgaardians for no military gain.

And Geralt was right when he say to Emhyr in Vizima when he ask for help that he don`t know shit how to fight wild hunt that they are not common soldiers from lands he conquer, when Emhyr said he can protect Ciri

 

[Willowhugger]

And Geralt was right when he say to Emhyr in Vizima when he ask for help that he don`t know shit how to fight wild hunt that they are not common soldiers from lands he conquer, when Emhyr said he can protect Ciri

Yes, without Sorceresses they could just freeze the entire army.

Which they do, until the heroes save them.

I argue that the Disaster at Skellige is what allows the victorious Redanian Army to advance on Vizima.

 

[carlos2033]

Yes, without Sorceresses they could just freeze the entire army.

Which they do, until the heroes save them.

I argue that the Disaster at Skellige is what allows the victorious Redanian Army to advance on Vizima.

Funny fact is that Emhyr and Phillipa think that they can achieve great things but they fail without Geralt help, just two losers, no wonder destiny put them with each other now they can fail together.

 

[Loginus]

IMHO the biggest question left after the epilogue would be: why did someone as powerful as Ciri would even need witcher training? Would she still use her time and space altering powers?

It required a little too much mental gymnastics to connect finale where Ciri is possibly the most powerful entity in the world and next scene she becomes witchers apprentice. A few more slides at the very end would be welcome to explain - unless I'm missing something?

 

[Willowhugger]

IMHO the biggest question left after the epilogue would be: why did someone as powerful as Ciri would even need witcher training? Would she still use her time and space altering powers?

It required a little too much mental gymnastics to connect finale where Ciri is possibly the most powerful entity in the world and next scene she becomes witchers apprentice. A few more slides at the very end would be welcome to explain - unless I'm missing something?

She's not a Witcher's apprentice, Geralt just names her a Witcher.

She received Witcher's training when she was a child.

He might train her some more but that would just be playing around mostly.

 

[Frybread]

IMHO the biggest question left after the epilogue would be: why did someone as powerful as Ciri would even need witcher training? Would she still use her time and space altering powers?

It required a little too much mental gymnastics to connect finale where Ciri is possibly the most powerful entity in the world and next scene she becomes witchers apprentice. A few more slides at the very end would be welcome to explain - unless I'm missing something?

Well Ciri's powers were never totally under her control, so her "overpoweredness" only comes out randomly. Also, she renounced magic because she wants to be a normal person (or as normal as possible). So I can see her not even wanting to use her special abilities that often and being happy with the life of a witcher but more concerned with helping people directly.

 

[latios507]

Act 3 onwards (after Battle of Kaer Morhen) is a total mess. Seemed like they rushed. What happened on the forums?

Threads after threads demanding answers and DLC to address that issue. What do we get in response?

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"Thank you for contacting CDPR. (why do you even bother contacting us in the first place)

Sorry but we are not interested in fixing what could have been fixed in the first place (despite how shite the game spiral down towards the epilogue, we still make good $$$)

Don't worry, to make it up we would like to offer you 16 FREE DLC! Go crazy with it!! (despite offering low re-playability value and nothing significant. More like an enticement to make fans stfu)

To add insult to your injury, we decided to take an easy option not to deal with player's choices from the epilogue so the two expansion pack will take place during the main storyline before the final battle! (yay, which doesn't make sense and totally irrelevant to the already broken storyline. More nonsense for you, our dearest fans. Less headache for us!)

Don't be sad, We have passed your suggestion to our development team for their perusal. (Just to cheer you up. But don't worry, they won't read & cbf to read your ideas anyway)

Thank you and keep supporting us! (buy cyberpunk 2077)
With Love, CDPR

P.S Triss content was intentional. No fix for it too. Hope you enjoyed it!"

(I made it up, but most response are close to this)

Seriously, every responses from the Tech support and RED Staff reeks sarcasm when we try to approach about augmenting the ending/epilogue. Starting to lose respect for them.

 

[VikyC]

Nilfgard came there to conquer Skellige not to help Geralt they don`t actually helping it`s more like they defend themselves from Wild Hunt.

Yeah that's why I was wondering how come Crach was with Eredin if he was fighting Nilfgaardians in the first place. Or after thinking about it, Skellige and Nilfgaardian had no choice than to fight back with the Wild Hunt I guess with the invasion and all.

There are so much lack of information about how and why some characters were there! So little was needed to not making the end bad. What is Ciri doing there, how come Crach is there, how are the sorceress doing, what became of Skellige etc....