the assassin could be must be a witcher of some sort i don know how geralt returned from the dead but first theory about it being geralt directly after being stabbed is good but if other witchers keep popping back from the grave it could be leo or Raven for disturbing his grave for the armor or that bounty hunter but when geralt nd king foltest looked at the assassin its like they knew him cud geralt have a brother i keep thing its a relative of geralt
I just watched the end cutscene again after reading this topic and I think that it is Geralt that is the assassin. if you've played kotor you'll recall how evil revan had full facial hair and good revan was clean shaven. that is what it looks like to me in witcher-good geralt that you control in-game is clean shaven, and the assassin is an evil version of geralt (which one is cloned i can't say for sure)characterized as in kotor by having grown out his facial hair. plus you cannot see his hair on his head, as his hood is still up. also note the questioning look foltest gave geralt as the assassin's face was revealed, it looked to me like foltest recognized him, likely as geralt.
I have just finished the game earlier today and have thought about both points for sometime. I've read all posts here and many at other forums. After careful consideration I have to support those that think the assassin was not Geralt. Here is what the game does tell us for sure about Geralt.1) Geralt had white hair even before he died and was know to many as the white wolf.2) Geralt died during a riot and this was mentioned by at least 2 individuals and in one book.3) Geralt was a witcher at the time of this death. (He knew vampires and had slain many monsters as recounted by many).4) Five years had passed from his death till he appeared back on the scene.So the only way he could have killed himself is if a future Geralt came back and hence he kills his future self or if he killed his dead but twice resurrected self. Either of these stretch the bounds of logic. The most likely answer was that the assassin was another mutant or maybe from one of the other witcher schools. There are arguments against the second. Now to the big debate. Is Alvin the GM? If Alvin is the GM then logic limits us to just 3 possibilities considering time travel.1) Alvin is from the past and visits himself as GM in the future.2) Alvin is from the present and the GM is from the future.3) Both Alvin and the GM are from different times and both decide to show up now.Because you can't grow younger these are the only possibilities. So for anyone that supports the argument that Alvin is the GM they also need to provide a motive for at least one of these scenarios. There is also one further consideration that has to be acknowledged if Alvin and the GM are the same person. The GM would have to know everything about Alvin, where he was, who he talked to, where he went etc if they are on the same time line. As we know our childhood the GM should know his. Please don't mention amnesia. For the first scenario the only possible motive is that Alvin is curious about the future and wants to see what its like and what he's like. This leads to a simple question. Why not just teleport to yourself and not some remote village? And let's not forget that there is the story about him being an orphan which would all have to be made up. So I doubt Alvin went into the future but maybe the GM called Alvin from the past. One still has to explain the orphan story and why would the GM place Alvin is some village? If you say the GM knew that Geralt would be there then why not just go far enough into the future and know that Geralt kills you? If you can time travel at will then check out all of the future to see what happens. I just don't see a logical explanation or motive for scenario number one.For scenario number two the GM goes back in time to change the future. In his future he's a nobody and has nothing to show for his life and wants to become powerful. Reminds me of future Biff going back to give young Biff the gambling book in Back to the Future. So far this one is OK and according to most time theory this works cause it starts a parallel universe where no one knows what is next. The only way to avoid a paradox when going back in time is to have multiple universes (dimensions). I'll come back to this scenario after I discuss the last one.For scenario number three the first question to answer is why did they pick this time and place. The premise is that they are either both from the past or both from the future. Both being from the past is really wierd and any explanation is convoluted at best. Alvin has to time travel to many points in the futre then pick this one for some reason. Both coming from the future is interesting as they can read about history. But then Alvin would have had to come into the past before the GM did. Remember you can't get younger and if both are from the future Alvin must have gone back in time before the GM did. So was there one scenario where Alvin came and a certain history played out which Alvin didn't like. Then Alvin as the GM went further into the past and tried to change it once again. All of this is based on the child Alvin wanting to do something in the past from his future date. This onc gets complicated quick and we have to really speculate why Alvin as a child wants to go back in time. Finally, this also has the problem explanation of Alvin being an orphan, unless you think Alvin shows up on some doorstep one day and claims he's an orphan.Based on the above the only logical scenario is number two. Some things in the game support this thesis including amulet, knowledge by GM of some things Alvin knows, etc. All during the game Alvin was hunted and someone wanted to capture him. Now based on the rules of scenario number two the future was altered when the GM went back in time. At which point we can not say but the premise is that Alvin in his first universe didn't like his future so he went back in time to change it. As soon as one thing changes the future outcome changes according to time travel theory. So if this broke early on at the outskirts then the GM would not know anything that Geralt said to Alvin or what ALvin did after that point. If it broke much later after Geralt gave Alvin to Triss/Shanni then he would know Alvin's history as this would be his history. But here lies the contradiction that logic can't explain. The witcher and Alvin first meet in the Outskirts and then they capture Alvin at the hospital. Who gave the order and who knew about the capture at the hospital? The GM runs the Order which runs Salamadra. How would Azar know about Alvin? If the GM gave the order he is breaking the future time line at that point. In order to support this theroy one has to believe that there was a historical Salamadra and uprising in the first time line, but either the Order was not involved or someone else ran the Order. Azar or this other person tried in the first time line to capture Alvin but failed. But then they would know from the GM (still common history) that they failed at the house and the witcher freed Alvin and gave him to Dandelion to take to Shani/Triss by himself. So why not have another group just take him while the witcher was still fighting in the house? And why does the GM want Alvin yet fail to use past history to get him? Maybe the GM wants to keep the time lines intact till a future point but ALvin only has one more big splash in Muddy Waters. You can see this gets complicated quick. So the most likely scenario is that the GM tried to get Alvin but the time line had changed and he didn't know the future. This then means he would have no way of knowing what Geralt and Alvin talked about.So the most likely logical explanation for the GM knowing what Geralt and Alvin said was that he read his mind in the final battle. After all he was the source and pulling in characters from Gearalt's mind. In conclusion there is no strong evidence to support either scenario that the GM was Alvin or he was not. But it takes a leap of faithand some complicated logic to say Alvin and the GM were the same person.
Time is a matter of perspective as it is inherently infinite. It's quite possible that Alvin and GM are not the same person, persay, but rather a clone based on time, as opposed to mutations or genetics.Let's say you were to go back in time, whether by choice or not, say 40 years (assuming you are 40 years.) Now, provided you don't interfere with your family line at all, whether talking to them or not, this is going to result in "you" being born again at the exact same time under the exact same conditions. Because as far as time is concerned, "you" weren't born yet in the perspective of everyone else living in your new time period.So Jacques/Alvin is scared by some incident and goes back in time. At this time possibility, Geralt may not have come to the city, the Order didn't exist in it's present sense, etc. Very good chance his parents were killed by nonhumans, and the nonhumans may have plagued the area and there was no group to stop them effectively.Now as far as the perspective of people at this time point, everything continues as is. However, Alvin sees things differently in his time period. He grows up and eventually builds the Order the way it is in game. In this time perspective, which Geralt is in, things go as the game plays. However, naturally "Alvin" is born again because since the original Alvin did not interfere with the events that led to him being born, he was born.It's highly conceivable that this Alvin is whom Geralt is dealing with, a completely separate Alvin from Jacques altogether, and yet they are both Alvin as far as time is concerned. And that second Alvin does travel back in time, perhaps to follow a completely different path but it's irrelevant to Geralt as he continues down the time perspective he has. This doesn't discount that the Alvin that travels back in time the 2nd time does not travel into the future however. Perhaps this time as a witcher, but that's up to the imagination.The thing with Jacques trying to catch himself in later acts is that it wouldn't matter at all whether Alvin was killed as it doesn't pertain to his adult self. At worst, the new Alvin could travel back in time and kill the old Alvin, but that's highly improbable. However, he was a powerful source as Jacques knows. He could make a powerful mutant, or even a son. And if source children are as rare as they are (in fact there probably may only have been Alvin, as Ciri was gone from the world), then it doesn't seem far-fetched that Jacques had a Deterium Necklace as the Lodge probably attempted to capture him.
You should note, that this would only work if from the point that Alvin appears in the past, time branches off into a second time line. If Alvin travels back in time and the time line gets overwritten, and he would die before traveling back in time then it would cause a paradox.Vaernus said:
Ok I've played throught the witcher quite a few times (3 to be exact and now I'm working on number 4), and its always been clear to me that Alvin is the Grand Master.... I mean DUH, how much clearer do they need to make it? But whats always puzzled me is who the hell is the assassin in the very end? Well I thought about the possibility that its Barengar, but depending how you play through the game, he has the possibility of dying a few different ways, I also considered that the assassin might be a witcher from Kaer Morhen, but I'm possitive that it isnt.... (And anyone who thinks that the assassin might be Garelt is retarded, I'm not even going to go into that possibility... -.-) I've read through all 20 pages of this post and the one person I thought might be the assassin was the only person I didn't see discussed as a possibility of being the assassin, and thats Alvin. Alvin oviously went back in time and grew up to be the Grand Master, but what if he did another weird time thingy and grew up yet as another person, as a witcher. In chapter 4 Garelt told Alvin not to become a witcher like Garelt, what if Alvin disobayed Garelts wishes for Alvin and Alvin did it anyways? And therefor if the Grand Master is Alvin, and The assassin is Alvin as well, that means that the Grand Master and the assassin should look nearly identical, which they do almost look exactly the same! Even if I'm wrong, this is still a possibility that people should start to considure!Obviously theres alot more detail and evidence that points out that my theary is a possibility, but I'm not going to mention these because at least 4/5th of it is pretty obvious for anyone who plays through the game again, and about 1/5th if you just try to think of it by memory, and I'm especially not going to spend another 45 minutes typing all that s**t out when breakfast is ready! 
so yeah....
so yeah....Assuming time was a finite thing, then yes that could cause a paradox. However, the act of Alvin going back into a time he never existed previously would result in a new "time line" being formed. And it really isn't a time line insofar as time itself is infinite and there is an infinite amount of possibilities per every moment we perceive. If you go back in time, your buddy's perception of that time line continues on, but your perception of it doesn't exist. Since while you're in this new time period, you are following a new time possibility. Which really, if time is infinite, would result in the impossibility of a paradox. If every single point in time is infinite, then by traveling in time you've chosen a different point in time. Thus if you affected it, it has nothing to do with the original time you came from. Thus if you traveled back to the future (no pun intended), you were seeing this new time possibility, not the old one. However, this would also mean you could never return to the original point in time you started at. You could return to an exact duplicate if you changed nothing. As far as you could perceive it would be where you started in terms of dates, and human perception of time. However, because you went to a different time and changed what that time period originally had, you went down a different possibility of time. Someone could have seen you, or you left a foot print, or the air molecules changed. But something changed, regardless of human perception.So following this logic, if Jacques were to kill Alvin, it would not affect him at all as he is not of that time possibility, merely a visitor. And if Alvin went back into time in Act IV, he would now be following a new time entirely. This time would have two Alvin's 40 years ago, and another Alvin being born when he was truly born. Or perhaps this second Alvin goes back 100 years and goes through the witcher trials at another witcher school. So:
- 60 years later, the first Alvin arrives and follows his path to become Jacques.
- 30 years later, the new Alvin is born.
- 10 years later, Geralt kills first Alvin/Jacques, but not before the new Alvin travels back in time.
Yup, i guess you're rightSycandre said:
While talking about the assasain everybody forgets 1 more witcher.In the books 2 witchers died. Both of them knew they are going to die from Ciri's prophecy. Both were killed with pitchforks. Both died while fighting huge groups. One of them is Geralt. The other one is Coen (not sure if I spelt this right)Geralt came back to life, so why not Coen?It is likely, that they both had amnesia. Geralt knew only the basic moves, he learnt the rest during the game and from other witchers. If Coen appeared around salamandra, they trained him just like they fight themselves. Dual wielding. Remeber what Vessemir told Geralt in the begining cutscene? it was "you're among firends" Salamandra could tell the same to CoenI checked the books for description of Coen's appereance (Geralt knew him very well). I didn't find much. It said that he had short black beard, and that his eyes were light. Check the screenshot again (page 18). It fits. It also said, that it looked like mutation of Coen's eyes was a hard one, he barely made it alive. It didn't say that Coen had cat eyes, but they were definetly mutated.I would just like to note that you should NEVER underestimate the lethality of a chicken sandwich. Carry on.
Ouchh nice theories. When I first completed the game I was wondering why the grandmaster has the amulet and then I come to the end that he is actually Alvin. But about that assassin...the assassin you killed dont have the scar, and have very different face then Geralt.
Ive said this ones and will say it ones more What make you think that Alvin is the only one with Elder Blood don't forget the story of the Elder Blood the the Mage and Lura I think that her name had children not just one. and if Alvin can move in time and space what make you think the other cant do the same.We wont know till there a W2 that if they pick up the story form there And as for the Asian that is not any of the Witcher we have met in the story so for dose not look like any of the five we have seen in the story but also as was said earlier in the story there where two other witcher school that where never heard from in a very log time There are so many ways this story can go that what make this game so good a veary wide open story line IMO
And as for the Asian that is not any of the Witcher we have met in the story so for dose not look like any of the five we have seen in the story but also as was said earlier in the story there where two other witcher school that where never heard from in a very log time There are so many ways this story can go that what make this game so good a veary wide open story line IMOIF they do deside to make a sequel to the witcher, they have two choices... When you first start up the game, in the beginning video it talks about Garelts past and then say, "but thats another story",... and then again it says the exact same thing about him at the very end after talking about how he goes on a new journey... So IF they do decide to make a sequel, they could either choose to elaborate on his past, or they could choose for the sequel to be about his future journeys. Plus not only that, but how do you know that the sequel will elaborate about the assassin? Well you could wait for a crap load of years for them to create the next game (IF they create a sequel, which I haven't heard a word about so far and as far as I know, its just a wish of many of its fans), or you could just read the books. I choose the books ^^Btw, my so called teleport thingy theory is the only thing that makes sence in my mind.... If anyone thinks that the assassin is garelt then their pretty f**king retarded... Garelt, other wise known as the White Fox, has of course WHITE HAIR! As for the assassin has what seems to me to be dark brown,... and the theory that the hunt might of done some crazy s**t is impossible too, because garelt had white hair from the second he became a witcher... Also the assassin has no scars all over his face, unlike Garelt.... The theory that the assassin is from another witcher fort thingy like Kaer Morhen is a possibility, but I highly douet thats the case, because they had absolutely nothing to do with THIS story... The theory that the assassin is a witcher from Kaer Morhen isn't possible because they looked absolutely nothing like the assassin, and not only that, but they said they were going in completely different directions,... so why would they be in Vasima at they end?.... And finally, theres no possibility that Barengar is the assassin, because depending how you play through the game, Barengar can either be your friend or your enamy. If hes your friend, he can possibly die from Azar, and if hes your enamy, you kill him, BUT no matter what, the ending is ALWAYS the same... So that Obviously rules out barengar, and even if it was, what interest would he have in the king anyways? he never even gave a s**t about politics and other s**t like that.... And if the hunt did some crazy ass mofo shizzzles and brought him back to life under his controle, the assassin still didn't look anything like Barengar AND their armors are completely different lookings....I've read all 20 pages of this, plus a s**t load of other pages of this almost exactly same babble of stuff on 3 other forums. And the ONLY theory that makes sence in my mind is the one I thought up of,or the very slight possibility that it could be a witcher from one of the other 2 forts like Kaer Morhen. In my theory, Alvin is both the Grand Master and the assassin (which I explained 7 post replies before this one). And like I said in my last post, a whole bunch of evidence shows that this is a highly possibility. If the Alvin is the Grand Master and the assassin, then the assassin and the Grand Master should look exactly the same, which the do! And this is very easily possible using time skips or what ever you want to call them. And this discussion about whether Alvin is or isn't the Grand Master is pretty dumb in my opinion... ALL facts point out that Alvin is the Grand Master, and if they needed to make it any clearer to you, then your just as retarded as George Bush when he is giving one of his speeches, and your a lost cause. And if somehow Alvin isn't the Grand Master, then I have to say that the people who made the game is retarded for making us believe false information....I'm going to try getting my hands on the books and read all the ones about garelt within at least a month or two to try and make this clear for the pure sake of my curiosity
@SoulWraith753 This is a forum and this is just idea that we all have There is no need to call anyone name here If you dont agree with some of the views here I understand that but plz dont start with the name calling that gose to not just you but everone here.
Oh I must have missed your post some how konzserwas, that sounds like a really good possibility ^^ I'm going to the library later today to see if they have any of the witcher books, if not, then I'm going to have to special order it >.>
I have just finished game. I was thinking who is that man in the ending - I enter this forum, and its first topic Nice...Well ending looks like there will be The Witcher II its not Begrengar, it couldn't be clone of Geralt also. Its better to see something like this, than wedding with Shani or Triss...I was surprised many times, plot was very surprising and I really enjoy this game. Last time when I played so much was Might and Magic XVIII and XIX - both I have finished. And third RPG game to my collection.I won't play this game again, or even back to some saved games. Once I done this - in act III there was a woman in blue, she was a vampire - there was a choice to kill all "sisters" or let them live. I let them becouse in the story of A. Sapkowski Regis was Geralts friends It was once when I reloaded game to see what will happen if I make another choice.Velerad werewolf, grandfather-cannbal, striga, and many other npcs... Wating for this game so long was was worth of it.
Nice...Well ending looks like there will be The Witcher II its not Begrengar, it couldn't be clone of Geralt also. Its better to see something like this, than wedding with Shani or Triss...I was surprised many times, plot was very surprising and I really enjoy this game. Last time when I played so much was Might and Magic XVIII and XIX - both I have finished. And third RPG game to my collection.I won't play this game again, or even back to some saved games. Once I done this - in act III there was a woman in blue, she was a vampire - there was a choice to kill all "sisters" or let them live. I let them becouse in the story of A. Sapkowski Regis was Geralts friends It was once when I reloaded game to see what will happen if I make another choice.Velerad werewolf, grandfather-cannbal, striga, and many other npcs... Wating for this game so long was was worth of it.If one goes to the fireplace Berengar was after the crypt and opens dialogs again and again one can have him with his face forward. Notice his mouth, nose, chin and eyebrows are too similar to the assassin face, if you take a screenshot there and with a picture editor put a hood on him you get almost the same face.We assume Berengar was killed maybe he was not really dead, or maybe he was brought back to life.