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[EPILOGUE] Ending cutscene / cinematic discussion

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username_2065278

Senior user
#41
Nov 8, 2007
mineeme said:
BUT he does have a different necklace/pendant. The artists over emphasise this and even have a caption pointing it out.It looks basically like a snake wrapped around itself a few times. dunno if it's just me, but i've definately seen it in-game before and am about to have another play through to see if i can spot it.
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Maybe it has something to do with the " snake as a medical sign" that you note when walking around the trade quarter.. I saw this cut scene and wondered why the devs would take the time to ceate somethingn like that for such (what I thought was) an inconsequential point.. hmmm.. maybe it goes deeper?
 
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ausir

Forum veteran
#42
Nov 8, 2007
mineeme said:
With the collectors edition you get an art book and on page 158/9 there is concept sketches of the 'mysterious assassin'. By the looks of it, he/she is definately a witcher of some sorts.BUT he does have a different necklace/pendant. The artists over emphasise this and even have a caption pointing it out.It looks basically like a snake wrapped around itself a few times. dunno if it's just me, but i've definately seen it in-game before and am about to have another play through to see if i can spot it.
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I haven't played the game yet, but maybe it's Ouroboros?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
 
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khil

Senior user
#43
Nov 8, 2007
Assassin does not look like any book character, or existing wticher. However when I first saw the cut scene i though it looked like older and mutated version of Leo.How about a theory where this man is another Alvin who travelled into past and this time became a witcher or something remotely close to one, and tries to kill Foltest in order to start chain of events to again stop the Ice Age from coming? Might be as well.
 
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absurf

Senior user
#44
Nov 8, 2007
TheWalker said:
TheWalker said:
BUT he does have a different necklace/pendant. The artists over emphasise this and even have a caption pointing it out.It looks basically like a snake wrapped around itself a few times. dunno if it's just me, but i've definately seen it in-game before and am about to have another play through to see if i can spot it.
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Maybe it has something to do with the " snake as a medical sign" that you note when walking around the trade quarter.. I saw this cut scene and wondered why the devs would take the time to ceate somethingn like that for such (what I thought was) an inconsequential point.. hmmm.. maybe it goes deeper?
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There is a statue of snake in the temple quarter in front of Shani's house. Is that the same thing on the necklace?
 
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mineeme.405

Senior user
#45
Nov 9, 2007
No it's not like the medical snake, or the Ouroboros symbol.Is it legal to scan the picture in and post a link do you think?
 
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asheren

Senior user
#46
Nov 12, 2007
There is also something to keep in mind that sources abilites are quite unpredictable looking at Ciri in books. Maybe when they are more experienced their ablities are more accurate. Considering that they are able to walk both in time and bewen the alternate dimensions its possible that ice age grand master is speaking about and where epiloge is happening might be an alternate reality. Geralt might not be a clone but considering that sources are a powerfull magic users and their ability to travel throu time and space... ressurectiong him in his state could be not possible in witcher world we can assume that it could be possible somewhere else. Ciri could ressurect Garalt and use him aginst Alvin. Geralt is not a source if we make a sources list that would be.CiriAlvinLady of the lake?
 
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bharlion

Senior user
#47
Nov 13, 2007
You created a time paradox! You can't go around doing that. Oh solid snake, everything I know about time travel I learned from you.
 
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agegsg

Senior user
#48
Nov 13, 2007
I agree with most of what people have said here except its not really certain about what we are guessing. I mean the necklace that alvin had could've not been an one of a kind. The thing that I was questioning is that if you told alvin something different when he asked about his powers, would've the grand master repeat the same? Another thing I was wondering is that if you let the Wild Hunt take the grand master, what would've happend?Also I do agree that Geralt isn't the assassin since the idea of the clone seems a bit far fetched. I was wondering if it was the other witchers that we met in the beginning of the story but it also brings the point of the other witcher schools into consideration. :'( the story ends so open that I'm sad that it ended like that. And the journal seemed like there would've been additional quest with the epilogue.Side note: what are the 3 endings? I got the one that I sided with the order...
 
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ausir

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#49
Nov 13, 2007
agegsg said:
Also I do agree that Geralt isn't the assassin since the idea of the clone seems a bit far fetched. I was wondering if it was the other witchers that we met in the beginning of the story but it also brings the point of the other witcher schools into consideration.
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Actually, for me the idea that the Geralt from the game is a clone is the most reasonable, it was the first thing that came to my mind after I read what the game's main plote was going to be long before the release. The real Geralt suddenly returning to life/this world with amnesia is too corny/cliche for me.
 
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maspingon

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#50
Nov 13, 2007
Lol, it's not Geralt's clone. Most probably it's the witcher from other, undiscovered witcher school.
 
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gosc_w_dom

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#51
Nov 13, 2007
This is a witcher from so-called "The School of Snake" (idea of this new school comes from CDPRED not from books). Kaer Morhen is "The School of Wolf". I think we must wait until add-on or sequel will be release and then everything will be clear :).
 
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yama

Senior user
#52
Nov 14, 2007
Alvin = GM for sure.Geralt having amnesia is a just a gimmick so you start with zero skills... it doesn't actually pertain to the story. I'm guessing the king of the hunt brought him back, he says at the end that he's his perfect champion because wherever he goes death and chaos follow.
 
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miravlix

Senior user
#53
Nov 14, 2007
Yama said:
Geralt having amnesia is a just a gimmick so you start with zero skills... it doesn't actually pertain to the story. I'm guessing the king of the hunt brought him back, he says at the end that he's his perfect champion because wherever he goes death and chaos follow.
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But Geralt doesn't create death and chaos, he destroys death and chaos bringers, if no one challenges Geralt he is no trouble at all to anyone.I also think others in this topic talks to much about order/chaos, maybe because of the order, but the words means something different when it's the order of the flaming rose, compared to an alternative to chaos.While Order/Chaos is part of the story, prolly coming from the books, it's not the main point of the game, here they have taken racism and many other real world concepts to make the bulk of the choices Geralt is facing.
 
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firestorm2117

Senior user
#54
Nov 14, 2007
I haven't read every post in this thread, so this might have been mentioned already, but the statement about witchers not being trained in dual sword styles might not be 100% accurate (at least as far as this game is concerned, I haven't read the books). I say this because Geralt himself can occasionally use two swords:If you select the Group Steel style, and use the special attack, you'll notice Geralt draws his silver sword and uses both steel and silver to slash at his opponents. When the attack is complete, he sheaths it again.So the theory that the assassin at the end is another witcher isn't completely crazy. Though I'll agree that he's not Geralt. Honestly, I didn't see the resemblance at all.
 
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fingo

Senior user
#55
Nov 14, 2007
Alvin = GMAssassin = unknown WitcherGeralt istn't a Clone... and so we have the Story for the Part 2! ;)Furthermore, we don't know the exactly reason for the second born from Geralt. I quess that the producer of this game didn't expect, that the community will be that interessted in these details. So, they need an update for this Game with more explentation about Geralt, and also his love to ShaniI was sad after finishing this game because i could't take Shani in my arms! :(
 
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suibhne

Senior user
#56
Nov 14, 2007
It's established beyond any doubt that Jacques is Alvin. If you allow the Wild Hunt to take Jacques, the King of the Wild Hunt even tells you that you knew him by another name.
 
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mungo

Senior user
#57
Nov 15, 2007
I kind of figured out who the Grand Master was as I entered the Ice area. And only one name came to mind which was Alvin. Little git after everything I told him not to do he went and did it. King of the Hunt wants to take him? Oh no the pleasure of killing him will be mine. Get back home to be greeted by Dandilion and not Triss ( the woman Geralt loves in my game ). And not a mention of her in the ending dialouge either. As for the assassin at the end? I think he belonged to another witcher school to be honest. Probably one Alvin found when he was taking a jolly through time and space while Geralt was fighting for his life against the Order in Murky Waters. And so if all else fails they were to be sent in to kill the King. Either way I loved the game and will play throgh again. Will I make different choices ? I know for a fact I will never side with the Order no matter what. They just make me feel dirty and I just cant do that even for a computer game. Reasons your brought back to life? I think it was the King of the Wild hunt who did it. He sees you as his greatest champion and tool to gain new souls. Would you discard your best tool ? Oh and I love the Zoltan character he was the best npc for me by far in this game.
 
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Eri94_user70

Forum veteran
#58
Nov 15, 2007
Alvin being the Grand Master sounds logical enough, the assassin at the end, Geralt is simply surprised because of the yellow eyes, I don't think he recognised him and he king also seems surprised as well, he is definately a witcher, and definately not from Kaer Mohren, none of the witchers we see in the game uses daggers, and they are definately daggers and not swords.Another thing no one mentionned, the assassin also carries a potion utility belt like every witcher we've seen in the game, so it would be logical he belongs to a completely different organisation that has little to do with the actual events in the current game. Most likely it will be related to an expansion or a sequel and the organisation/assassin wanted the king dead and saw an opportunity to kill him after all the chaos and troubles and death that had happened in the city (knowing the guards would be weakened, and there also would be a lot less of them.) They might even have wanted to do it while Geralt was in the castle and try to put the blame on him, assuming most people don't know about any other witcher school other than Kaer Morhen. And since Geralt was a public face in Vizima (possibly the only witcher those people knew since their numbers are so few) putting the blame on a witcher would invariably lead to Geralt.Another thing is, did anyone think this ninja/assassin looked like an elf. When I first saw him at the start of the cutscene I was sure it was an elf sent by Yaevinn or maybe Yaevinn himself, now we know that can't be true since he has some beard, but what about a Nilfgaardian assassin with witcher mutation, the Glossary states that the southern kingdom of Nilfgaard is the one where there is the most mixed blood between elves and humans, and since they were just at war with Temeria 5 years before the events in the game, they would have very good reason to want to take this opportunity to assassinate King Foltest after his capital was just ravaged and burned down by a failed coup d'etat by Alvin/Grandmaster.
 
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yama

Senior user
#59
Nov 15, 2007
Mungo said:
Reasons your brought back to life? I think it was the King of the Wild hunt who did it. He sees you as his greatest champion and tool to gain new souls. Would you discard your best tool ?
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Yeh, my thoughts exactly. Was surprised no one else said that yet... seemed pretty obvious to me. He claims souls and all that, they hint at it alot throughout the game.
 
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ausir

Forum veteran
#60
Nov 15, 2007
To learn what the Wild Hunt and its king really are you'd need to read the Witcher books. I won't say it here, as it's a major spoiler.
 
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