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petra_silie

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#801
Oct 18, 2009
Maybe Brokulaks are introduced in the sequel as well? ... though there is no hint to them? :whistle:
 
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Gamewidow

Forum veteran
#802
Oct 18, 2009
Give that cdp has said the new game is set in kaedwen, i seriously doubt brokilon will feature, since that's not even close to kaedwen, it's like nearly the other side of the continent :peace:
 
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dezired

Senior user
#803
Oct 18, 2009
gamewidow said:
Give that cdp has said the new game is set in kaedwen, i seriously doubt brokilon will feature, since that's not even close to kaedwen, it's like nearly the other side of the continent :peace:
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They've said that? When? Where?
 
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56236

Forum veteran
#804
Oct 18, 2009
gamewidow said:
Give that cdp has said the new game is set in kaedwen, i seriously doubt brokilon will feature, since that's not even close to kaedwen, it's like nearly the other side of the continent :peace:
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Have you forgotten how we transported from Vizima to Murky Waters? Nothing is impossible if you think about it from this angle. :peace:
 
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Corylea.723

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#805
Oct 18, 2009
Dezired said:
Dezired said:
Give that cdp has said the new game is set in kaedwen, i seriously doubt brokilon will feature, since that's not even close to kaedwen, it's like nearly the other side of the continent :peace:
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They've said that? When? Where?
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I think what happened is that someone noticed that the soldiers were wearing Kaedwen's symbols on their uniforms.
Dezired said:
We had mutation / alteration as principle threm in TW1. I don't think we will have it once again in the sequel. An unbiased person may think, it's all about mutation in the Witcher world ;D Judging from the title I think Geralt has to struggle with a network of intrigues, treachery and reliance. And actully he doesn't want to have any business with but gets involved.
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Well, that's quite possible, but if they're continuing the storyline from TW1, there could still be some fallout from the stolen witchers' secrets. The Grandmaster seemed to think that he was the main boss behind the plot to steal the secrets ... but he was also seriously crazy, so it's possible that he was being used or manipulated by someone higher up that we don't know about yet.Of course, you have access to information that most of the rest of us don't have, and I never know when you're speculating and when you're giving us a hint. ;)
 
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petra_silie

Ex-moderator
#806
Oct 19, 2009
Don't overvalue me... and all moderators. In cases like that CDPR harbor all secrets and reveal relevant info only to closed staff workers ;)
 
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56236

Forum veteran
#807
Oct 19, 2009
PetraSilie said:
Don't overvalue me... and all moderators. In cases like that CDPR harbor all secrets and reveal relevant info only to closed staff workers ;)
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You mean to say that Blue ain't even close to Red? :p
 
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petra_silie

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#808
Oct 20, 2009
I can't give you furter info on that. Just... there are Kikimore workers and warriors... and of course the queen (resp.King) :wave:
 
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56236

Forum veteran
#809
Oct 20, 2009
PetraSilie said:
I can't give you furter info on that. Just... there are Kikimore workers and warriors... and of course the queen (resp.King) :wave:
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I got 'ya ;)
 
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dezired

Senior user
#810
Oct 30, 2009
Fascinating. I've NEVER understood the purpose of these spammers, though. Who would seriously want to hand over their character to a powerleveler who uses spammers/spambots? Not me. Do they even get ANYONE using this method?
 
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darksavior

Senior user
#811
Oct 30, 2009
Dezired said:
Fascinating. I've NEVER understood the purpose of these spammers, though. Who would seriously want to hand over their character to a powerleveler who uses spammers/spambots? Not me. Do they even get ANYONE using this method?
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Not for a single player game. I once ran a guild in World of Warcraft where my highest level member used a powerleveling/gold buying service.The player had to have the best equipment, reach the level the fastest, ect. It would have seem harmless. He had his account taken over by the "spammer", his stuff stolen, and characters deleted. Last I heard from him (before we moved to another MMORPG), he had to jump through hoops to get his stuff/character back. Also, it is highly likely that these sites have keyloggers in them.
 
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petra_silie

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#812
Oct 30, 2009
For all those who haven't got a clue what Dezired and Darksavior are talking about:This morning we had a spambot who roused the forums and left many nonsense spamposts in various threads.This troll is gone
 
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evmiller

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#813
Jan 21, 2010
LithMaethor said:
how did Adda ended up with red hair and not a retard (as she is in the books)
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Adda's hair is red because in the english translation of the short story "The Witcher" her hair is described as "flaxen red", not white like in the original polish version. Also in the english translation she is never described as being mentally retarded. She is simply described as "somewhat dull-witted". My sources are the short story "The Witcher", which shipped with the UK and US version of the computer game and the U.S translation of the book "The Last Wish".
 
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saadishsnake

Senior user
#814
Feb 3, 2010
So I've read about 20 pages worth of posts in this topic and it seems that Alvin being the Grandmaster is the dominant hypothesis. I do agree with that to an extent, but now I'm having my doubts:- First of all Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques has brown hair -- maybe Alvin dyed his hair, but this definitely sticks out like a sore thumb. - Jacques never mentions himself to be Alvin at the end of the game. If he wanted Geralt to join him, this could've been the turning point. Geralt would have a tougher time killing someone he last saw as a child. - Then there's how the Grandmaster basically hired the Salamandra to do all those things in the game, including kidnap Alvin. So the GM hires a group to kidnap his younger self so he can be the future ruler of the world? Thinking about it can even make Einstein's head explode.- It would be too convenient for Alvin to be the GM, and I think The Witcher team is smarter than this. Alvin being the evil Grandmaster is something you'd see in simpler RPGs. I think they're basically leaving all those "clues" out there to trick us, and obviously as a setup for the sequel.- I doubt that only one of those Dimetherium Amulets exist in the entire world, and Triss is the only person had one (before she gave it to Alvin). The amulet was made for sources, both Alvin and the GM are sources so they would both have those amulets. I'm sure other sources in the world have them as well.- The GM basically repeating to Geralt what Geralt said to Alvin doesn't mean anything. Triss is able to magically spy on Geralt, and I'm sure other magic users are as well. Why can't the powerful Grandmaster have that same ability?- Alvin can travel anywhere through time. If Alvin is the GM he can travel to see the future and see that Geralt kills him. Well, why doesn't he travel back into the past and kill Geralt immediately? Why waste time letting him live if you know he's going to stop your plans.My hypothesis is that Alvin and the Grandmaster are linked, but they are not the same person. Alvin is obviously a powerful source and the Grandmaster probably "feels" his presence or something so he hires Salamandra to hunt him down. With two sources fighting together they're unstoppable. When Alvin is possessed with those visions, maybe it's the Grandmaster manipulating him? Isn't there also a point in the game where the Grandmaster indicates Triss was working for him -- I believe in Act 5 when you first enter the swamp. He describes a spy that sounds a lot like Triss. He could've gave Triss that amulet to give to Geralt to give to Alvin. Maybe that amulet actually helped the Grandmaster have some control over Alvin?Now, as for that assassin...- Definitely not a clone of Geralt or Alvin or Big Boss or some other nonsense.- The clone is a witcher, even though he's using a dual-wielding style. He has that belt of potions and he fights like a witcher would -- he's actually a better fighter than Geralt. What's to stop witchers from learning new techniques, or even drinking a potion that gives you the ability to dual wield?- Geralt knows the clone, and this makes me think it's a witcher from Kaer Morhen. Remember, Geralt's memory is gone at the beginning of the game, so it wouldn't be a witcher from before the game started. This assassin can't be Berengar since he's dead. It can't be Leo since he's dead. It can't be Eskel because his face is disfigured and it would've been obvious. It can't be Vesemir since he's old, I don't think he could hold his own with Geralt, and the facial features are different; I also think Vesemir isn't the type to take out a king. So, that leaves me to believe it's Lambert, by process of elimination. He's younger than Geralt, and probably learned the dual-wielding technique/potion to whatever part of the world he travels to after the Prologue. - I think this witcher wanted to kill Foltest out of ideals rather than to fulfill a contract. I would think that a witcher taking a contract out on a ruler would be bad for the entire organization -- it would hurt their rep. Witchers would be hunted down by armies if it was known that they were willing to kill kings and queens for money. Maybe this witcher joined a group who sees Foltest as the bad guy.- Notice how the assassin waits until Geralt leaves the king's chambers before he makes the attempt. Why didn't he silently kill Geralt before he went after the king? I think he didn't want to kill Geralt like that because that's against the witcher's code.- This is minor and probably means nothing, but notice how Lambert hates Triss? I think he hates her because he might see magic as "evil." Notice how Vesemir or Eskel don't hate Triss, and if she was seen as distrustful they'd hate her as well. I think Lambert hates her because he detests magic, which is he has that dual-wielding style. Witchers typically don't dual-wield because they need the other hand free to use signs, but if Lambert doesn't plan on using any magic he might as well make his other hand useful in combat.
 
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56236

Forum veteran
#815
Feb 3, 2010
saadishsnake said:
So I've read about 20 pages worth of posts in this topic and it seems that Alvin being the Grandmaster is the dominant hypothesis. I do agree with that to an extent, but now I'm having my doubts:
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Mwahahahaha... Dissection time... :evil:
saadishsnake said:
- First of all Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques has brown hair -- maybe Alvin dyed his hair, but this definitely sticks out like a sore thumb.
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- Some children are born blonde and become brunette as age advances (myself included).
saadishsnake said:
- Jacques never mentions himself to be Alvin at the end of the game. If he wanted Geralt to join him, this could've been the turning point. Geralt would have a tougher time killing someone he last saw as a child.
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If he did, there'd be no climax for Geralt agreeing. Once the agreement was done and he revealed it thereafter, the revelation would be unstoppable and Geralt would not turn no more. Such are the powers of pursuasion.
saadishsnake said:
- Then there's how the Grandmaster basically hired the Salamandra to do all those things in the game, including kidnap Alvin. So the GM hires a group to kidnap his younger self so he can be the future ruler of the world? Thinking about it can even make Einstein's head explode.
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Salamandra was a tool and no more. Like Radovid sought to use them, he would not have been aware of all their actions. Do you know everything your computer downloads while on the net? Not really as you get virus, ads and whatnot. Same with Salamandra, a tool, fully-automated and independent.
saadishsnake said:
- It would be too convenient for Alvin to be the GM, and I think The Witcher team is smarter than this. Alvin being the evil Grandmaster is something you'd see in simpler RPGs. I think they're basically leaving all those "clues" out there to trick us, and obviously as a setup for the sequel.- I doubt that only one of those Dimetherium Amulets exist in the entire world, and Triss is the only person had one (before she gave it to Alvin). The amulet was made for sources, both Alvin and the GM are sources so they would both have those amulets. I'm sure other sources in the world have them as well.- The GM basically repeating to Geralt what Geralt said to Alvin doesn't mean anything. Triss is able to magically spy on Geralt, and I'm sure other magic users are as well. Why can't the powerful Grandmaster have that same ability?
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Ok, this can be con-densely dissected ]:->... Agreed, trickery is the game is it not? But, the amulet "looked" the same (which confirms its originality and being one and the same), but "older" which makes me believe that it takes more than a single life-time to wear-out a magical item such as the amulet (ergo: the GM was repeating distorted sayings of Geralt because they changed over time while they were passed down through the generations. See what I'm getting at?
saadishsnake said:
- Alvin can travel anywhere through time. If Alvin is the GM he can travel to see the future and see that Geralt kills him. Well, why doesn't he travel back into the past and kill Geralt immediately? Why waste time letting him live if you know he's going to stop your plans.
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Exactly, which means with his powers being out of control at the young age, lets just say the more he was frightened, the further back he traveled. Assuming that be the case, the story is not as simple as you thought...
saadishsnake said:
My hypothesis is that Alvin and the Grandmaster are linked, but they are not the same person. Alvin is obviously a powerful source and the Grandmaster probably "feels" his presence or something so he hires Salamandra to hunt him down. With two sources fighting together they're unstoppable. When Alvin is possessed with those visions, maybe it's the Grandmaster manipulating him? Isn't there also a point in the game where the Grandmaster indicates Triss was working for him -- I believe in Act 5 when you first enter the swamp. He describes a spy that sounds a lot like Triss. He could've gave Triss that amulet to give to Geralt to give to Alvin. Maybe that amulet actually helped the Grandmaster have some control over Alvin?
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According to your presumptions, you may be on the path, but my alternate and contradictory assumptions state otherwise. I shall darken you clear thesis right into the grey areas once again. The link between Alvin and the GM is undeniable, but not accurately full-proof as I've shown. Oh, and paradoxal laws state that no loop may be formed, so GM's actions and Alvin's action will not intersect, maybe just intertwine if possible. I think I've pointed out some stuff for you to consider so far...
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Now, as for that assassin...
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OH BOY, Do NOT even get me started on this one..... :wall:Hopefully I've opened your eyes to other possibilities that'll persuade you to think not of how relations relate, but of how they cannot relate. :peace:
 
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saadishsnake

Senior user
#816
Feb 3, 2010
56236 said:
56236 said:
So I've read about 20 pages worth of posts in this topic and it seems that Alvin being the Grandmaster is the dominant hypothesis. I do agree with that to an extent, but now I'm having my doubts:
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Mwahahahaha... Dissection time... :evil:
56236 said:
- First of all Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques has brown hair -- maybe Alvin dyed his hair, but this definitely sticks out like a sore thumb.
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- Some children are born blonde and become brunette as age advances (myself included).
56236 said:
- Jacques never mentions himself to be Alvin at the end of the game. If he wanted Geralt to join him, this could've been the turning point. Geralt would have a tougher time killing someone he last saw as a child.
Click to expand...
If he did, there'd be no climax for Geralt agreeing. Once the agreement was done and he revealed it thereafter, the revelation would be unstoppable and Geralt would not turn no more. Such are the powers of pursuasion.
56236 said:
- Then there's how the Grandmaster basically hired the Salamandra to do all those things in the game, including kidnap Alvin. So the GM hires a group to kidnap his younger self so he can be the future ruler of the world? Thinking about it can even make Einstein's head explode.
Click to expand...
Salamandra was a tool and no more. Like Radovid sought to use them, he would not have been aware of all their actions. Do you know everything your computer downloads while on the net? Not really as you get virus, ads and whatnot. Same with Salamandra, a tool, fully-automated and independent.
56236 said:
- It would be too convenient for Alvin to be the GM, and I think The Witcher team is smarter than this. Alvin being the evil Grandmaster is something you'd see in simpler RPGs. I think they're basically leaving all those "clues" out there to trick us, and obviously as a setup for the sequel.- I doubt that only one of those Dimetherium Amulets exist in the entire world, and Triss is the only person had one (before she gave it to Alvin). The amulet was made for sources, both Alvin and the GM are sources so they would both have those amulets. I'm sure other sources in the world have them as well.- The GM basically repeating to Geralt what Geralt said to Alvin doesn't mean anything. Triss is able to magically spy on Geralt, and I'm sure other magic users are as well. Why can't the powerful Grandmaster have that same ability?
Click to expand...
Ok, this can be con-densely dissected ]:->... Agreed, trickery is the game is it not? But, the amulet "looked" the same (which confirms its originality and being one and the same), but "older" which makes me believe that it takes more than a single life-time to wear-out a magical item such as the amulet (ergo: the GM was repeating distorted sayings of Geralt because they changed over time while they were passed down through the generations. See what I'm getting at?
56236 said:
- Alvin can travel anywhere through time. If Alvin is the GM he can travel to see the future and see that Geralt kills him. Well, why doesn't he travel back into the past and kill Geralt immediately? Why waste time letting him live if you know he's going to stop your plans.
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Exactly, which means with his powers being out of control at the young age, lets just say the more he was frightened, the further back he traveled. Assuming that be the case, the story is not as simple as you thought...
56236 said:
My hypothesis is that Alvin and the Grandmaster are linked, but they are not the same person. Alvin is obviously a powerful source and the Grandmaster probably "feels" his presence or something so he hires Salamandra to hunt him down. With two sources fighting together they're unstoppable. When Alvin is possessed with those visions, maybe it's the Grandmaster manipulating him? Isn't there also a point in the game where the Grandmaster indicates Triss was working for him -- I believe in Act 5 when you first enter the swamp. He describes a spy that sounds a lot like Triss. He could've gave Triss that amulet to give to Geralt to give to Alvin. Maybe that amulet actually helped the Grandmaster have some control over Alvin?
Click to expand...
According to your presumptions, you may be on the path, but my alternate and contradictory assumptions state otherwise. I shall darken you clear thesis right into the grey areas once again. The link between Alvin and the GM is undeniable, but not accurately full-proof as I've shown. Oh, and paradoxal laws state that no loop may be formed, so GM's actions and Alvin's action will not intersect, maybe just intertwine if possible. I think I've pointed out some stuff for you to consider so far...
56236 said:
Now, as for that assassin...
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OH BOY, Do NOT even get me started on this one..... :wall:Hopefully I've opened your eyes to other possibilities that'll persuade you to think not of how relations relate, but of how they cannot relate. :peace:
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1) The hair changing. Even though it happens in real life to some people, making it occur in a video game is completely pointless. The GrandMaster could've had a shaved head instead of brown hair if they wanted to make the link b/w Alvin and the GM subtle. So in The Witcher 2 they're going to say, "Oh, btw, the Grandmaster that you killed was Alvin, his hair turned brown as he got older."2) Is there even an option to agree with the GM -- I didn't see any in playthrough. Maybe if there was one you'd have a point here.3) I really don't see why Azar Javed and The Professor would kidnap a source without the permission of the Grandmaster. They wouldn't know how to effectively use a source like a GM would. 4) Once again, who knows how many of those amulets exist5) I'm not saying the story is simple. If it was we wouldn't have this discussion. 6) I'm 60% sure that the GM is Alvin and 40% that it isn't.I think the best
 
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Corylea.723

Ex-moderator
#817
Feb 3, 2010
You're having this discussion in two different threads at once? It's kinda hard for all of us to talk together that way.
1) The hair changing. Even though it happens in real life to some people, making it occur in a video game is completely pointless. The GrandMaster could've had a shaved head instead of brown hair if they wanted to make the link b/w Alvin and the GM subtle. So in The Witcher 2 they're going to say, "Oh, btw, the Grandmaster that you killed was Alvin, his hair turned brown as he got older."
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It sounds like the phenomenon of blonde hair darkening with age is one that you haven't seen, so it seems weird to you. To those of us who've seen it a lot, it seems completely normal.
3) I really don't see why Azar Javed and The Professor would kidnap a source without the permission of the Grandmaster. They wouldn't know how to effectively use a source like a GM would.
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*blink* Have you forgotten that Azar Javed is an extremely powerful mage? He's more powerful than Triss, during the Prologue. He's also very arrogant. Triss thought that she could control Alvin, so it's practically certain that Javed would think that he could control Alvin.
5) I'm not saying the story is simple. If it was we wouldn't have this discussion.
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And that's part of the beauty of The Witcher. Things are ambiguous enough that different people can see different things in the same events. There's a very long thread about Abigail, about whether she was evil or not, and I LOVE that, that this game affects people so much that people really want to know whether they made the right decision about Abigail.
6) I'm 60% sure that the GM is Alvin and 40% that it isn't.
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That sounds about right to me. A lot of people act as if the fans have "proved" that Alvin is the GM, but I don't think so. I think it's a strong hypothesis but not the only possible one.
 
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saadishsnake

Senior user
#818
Feb 3, 2010
I'm not saying that blonde-to-brown does not happen in real life, I'm saying for it to happen in a video game is odd because something like that sticks out -- there would need to be an explanation for it.I know Azar Javed is powerful, but he's not a fool. He knows the Grandmaster would kick his lily ass if he hid a source from him.Yeah, this game is truly awesome with the moral ambiguity thing -- I hope other RPGs copy it.
 
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petra_silie

Ex-moderator
#819
Feb 4, 2010
It's not necessary to have the same discussion with the same arguments in two different threads. Let's stop the clone discussion here.
 
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secondchildren

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#820
Feb 4, 2010
56236 said:
- Some children are born blonde and become brunette as age advances (myself included).
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Ah-ah, 56236! :D Beware, you're revealing here something of your real look ;D
 
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