Yup the horse is dead. Bury it, have a moment of silence to grieve for it, then move on please, both of you.
Well, as much as I like Doug Cockle's voice I might prefer playing the German version after all if they chose better fitting voice actors/voices (according to my taste/opinion) for the other characters, mainly Eredin...
[Redundant spoiler warning about my post for those who haven't read the books]
I think some comments here remember the Dearg Ruadhri as we see them in the last book, in their own world, but conveniently forget (at least some of) their manifestation in Geralt's. Taken from the chase after Ciri:
Some posts here claimed that they're not your "generic super villain", or that CDPR are just out for a cheap shock with their design; and even if these aren't accurate quotes, it's the gist of the things I received from this thread. Now, call me crazy, but the description I'm getting from Ciri's chapter in the books is not of multi-faceted, deep characters with their own motivations that are arguably not wholly evil; they just have their own perspective on things. What I'm getting is a hellish cavalry from your nightmares. Nothing about their manifestation in Geralt's world is nuanced. They're dressed to instill terror and create trauma, and from a brief interaction with them such as this there is no reason what so ever to believe that they're anything beyond the embodiment of chaos and evil.
If you ask me, CDPR nailed it with their design, if the books are their source of inspiration.
Now just to clarify - I don't even hold CDPR to lore. I really don't mind and am very "lenient" (as if they need my permission) with how much they stray. But on the other hand, when they do arguably follow the lore, I don't like authoritative posts that accuse them of significantly steering away from it.
Sapkowski's description of the Wild Hunt is pretty much your everyday undead evil trope. But it works. And I think it does as well with CDPR's design. After that, on to some posts on the matter:
What is my point with that? It's that the Wild Hunt are, again, a thing of nightmares in Geralt's world. So if their appearance can be horribly altered to induce fear, it's not so shocking that their voice might be, too.
To make them more badass.
To shock commoners and farmers who haven't read about books about Elven history.
The twist about my long post is that I actually agree with you guys about the voice. I do prefer the one in the VGX, because the one in the Elder Blood is a bit too much for me (like Eredin's previous armor was). But you don't need to create a very one-sided memory of the books to make your point. Things can be said to this side or the other. And I'm sure you can find a passage in the series that describes the Wild Hunt in less "generic evil" (God forbid) ways than the part I quoted. And that's fine. There could be several ways to remember them.
I remember that when reading the books, one of the most powerful moments was realizing that these cultured Elves are actually the maniacal spectral horsemen Ciri had been running from earlier. It was that stark difference between their appearance in their world and their appearance in Geralt's that managed to make it so memorable. Actually, I confess - it was so different that I didn't even catch it at first. But they needed to be maniacal spectral horsemen at the beginning for that twist to work. So what are we expecting CDPR to display the Wild Hunt as in their promotional material? As multi-faceted characters? That's taking away the punch. They need to remain, outside their world, as these demonic entities that you can't comprehend. And not just for the sake of those who haven't read the books.
Like it or not, even in Sapkowski's books they appear - at least this once, but I'm sure that even more if I could be bothered to check - as your "generic evil guys". And there's nothing wrong with that, if it's well executed.
And still, after all this, I do prefer the VGX vocie.
I think some comments here remember the Dearg Ruadhri as we see them in the last book, in their own world, but conveniently forget (at least some of) their manifestation in Geralt's. Taken from the chase after Ciri:
The Time of Contempt said:
Some posts here claimed that they're not your "generic super villain", or that CDPR are just out for a cheap shock with their design; and even if these aren't accurate quotes, it's the gist of the things I received from this thread. Now, call me crazy, but the description I'm getting from Ciri's chapter in the books is not of multi-faceted, deep characters with their own motivations that are arguably not wholly evil; they just have their own perspective on things. What I'm getting is a hellish cavalry from your nightmares. Nothing about their manifestation in Geralt's world is nuanced. They're dressed to instill terror and create trauma, and from a brief interaction with them such as this there is no reason what so ever to believe that they're anything beyond the embodiment of chaos and evil.
If you ask me, CDPR nailed it with their design, if the books are their source of inspiration.
Now just to clarify - I don't even hold CDPR to lore. I really don't mind and am very "lenient" (as if they need my permission) with how much they stray. But on the other hand, when they do arguably follow the lore, I don't like authoritative posts that accuse them of significantly steering away from it.
Sapkowski's description of the Wild Hunt is pretty much your everyday undead evil trope. But it works. And I think it does as well with CDPR's design. After that, on to some posts on the matter:
If we bring up the lore card, then I don't see how the King of the Wild Hunt, as written by Sapkowski in that page I quoted, isn't a "cartoony super-villain" and is a "believable character spoken by a real human (read: elf) without some artificial voice alteration". Nothing about Eredin when chasing Ciri is outside the evil stereotype, and I think his voice is the least thing that's being "artificially" (or, well, magically) alterated. They're specters riding on skeletal horses during the night, sending the girl's horse into a frenzy of fear, singing to her about joining the dark side with them through rotten teeth with burning skull eye sockets, and laughing maniacally. Let's be honest here.
What is my point with that? It's that the Wild Hunt are, again, a thing of nightmares in Geralt's world. So if their appearance can be horribly altered to induce fear, it's not so shocking that their voice might be, too.
This is downright disrespectful with a Holier-Than-Thou attitude in taste. I don't know about the Reds reading too many "superhero comics", but if anything, going by the description of the Wild Hunt in The Time of Contempt, CDPR toned down the cartoonish aspect of the Red horsemen.
What was the point of Eredin's skull-face with burning eye-sockets? What was the point of spectral horses? What was the point of any of their pyrotechnics when chasing Ciri?
To make them more badass.
To shock commoners and farmers who haven't read about books about Elven history.
The twist about my long post is that I actually agree with you guys about the voice. I do prefer the one in the VGX, because the one in the Elder Blood is a bit too much for me (like Eredin's previous armor was). But you don't need to create a very one-sided memory of the books to make your point. Things can be said to this side or the other. And I'm sure you can find a passage in the series that describes the Wild Hunt in less "generic evil" (God forbid) ways than the part I quoted. And that's fine. There could be several ways to remember them.
I remember that when reading the books, one of the most powerful moments was realizing that these cultured Elves are actually the maniacal spectral horsemen Ciri had been running from earlier. It was that stark difference between their appearance in their world and their appearance in Geralt's that managed to make it so memorable. Actually, I confess - it was so different that I didn't even catch it at first. But they needed to be maniacal spectral horsemen at the beginning for that twist to work. So what are we expecting CDPR to display the Wild Hunt as in their promotional material? As multi-faceted characters? That's taking away the punch. They need to remain, outside their world, as these demonic entities that you can't comprehend. And not just for the sake of those who haven't read the books.
Like it or not, even in Sapkowski's books they appear - at least this once, but I'm sure that even more if I could be bothered to check - as your "generic evil guys". And there's nothing wrong with that, if it's well executed.
And still, after all this, I do prefer the VGX vocie.
Well, how do we know they are the same guy? for all we know we are hearing three different riders?
especially for the guy on the sword of destiny, ive always had an inkling that it was a magical elf who had the power of foresight like Avallach not Eredin
I don't know which voice is Eredin voice for sure. But I like SoD voice the most (duck face mage?). It sound soo good. I want to sound like this in real live. Im sure chicks would be melting. I dont know, maybe its because this music in the background, but I want to have sex with this voice 
Im not gay, really, Im not. Oh duck face mage, I hope you will have lot of spoken monologues in game. Who is voicing duck faced mage guys? I need to know.
Im really not gay guys. You believe me r-right?
Im not gay, really, Im not. Oh duck face mage, I hope you will have lot of spoken monologues in game. Who is voicing duck faced mage guys? I need to know.Im really not gay guys. You believe me r-right?
did i read somewhere else that Lena Headey is the voice of Yennifer? has that been confirmed?
A lot of people think it's Lena, including me. Yenn sounds like her but I doubt it is actually Lena because it would have been a big deal and they would have announced it, like with Charles Dance.
Unless it's part of a tease.
No. The difference is that the typical evil stereotype character does evil "for the sake of evil". But in Sapkowski's books - as you mentioned yourself - we actually know a lot more about the Red Riders than their appearance in the Witcher world. We know who they truly are and we also know quite a bit what they actually think.
And about the specific scene of the book you've quoted: you should always think about different meta-levels in literature and different ways of interpretation of a specific scene. How do we know that this scene really captures the "real" appearance of the Wild Hunt? How much is just the imagination and fear of Ciri? How much does she mix up reality with the legends and myths she heard about the hunt? We always have to be carefully about perspective and circumstances when reading literature. Is it the perspective of the outside observer (and therefore possibly the author himself) or is it more the perspective of one of his characters and therefore just a manifestation how they see their outer world?
Well, in the end it's also quite possible that the Aen Elle magically altered their appearance for their riders to induce as much fear as possible on the battlefield or to create a certain sense of authority. They could perhaps also change their voice for that very reason. If that's the case I really, really hope that we also see the people "behind the mask" and the Wild Hunt won't stay in their (super villain) roles the whole time. I really hope that we also see the "real" Eredin in the game, showing his real face and speaking with his real, "normal" , not bad-ass super-deep voice. That way the difference between playing the role on the battlefield or while being on the ride with the Hunt and being just their real self in more quiet and private scenes would be much more powerful and it would also give the Hunt so much more depth. We already know that Avallac'h showed himself in the Witcher world as his real self before in the books, speaking to Geralt about the future and the prophecy for example. So I hope CDPR gives the Aen Elle enough space and opportunity to develop more depth that goes much beyond their obvious appearance as Wild Hunt. In the end, the most "powerful" and impressive villains are those who we can sympathize or feel with, at least in parts. We don't have to agree with their actions but at least we should be able to understand their basic motives and what actual thinking patterns led to their actions. Being able to look behind the public mask of villains and proving that there are still "normal" people and not mindless evil monsters is a sign of good writing and storytelling imo. So if the voice of Eredin and the appearance of the Hunt stays in the game like they are presented in the trailers (and they will do so) I hope for an extreme change of appearance and voice at some point in the game. Maybe even a second voice actor for the "real" Eredin without magical alerations or wearing a mask would be cool IMHO. That way they'd also respect the literary basis.
Yes. I suppose that's possible. It's just that in the VGX and Elder Blood trailer they show Eredin. In SoD they show the mage, so it's possible it's his voice in SoD, but I still think it's Eredin speaking in VGX and Elder Blood.
@eliharel @Scholdarr
I agree with both of your posts, the Wild Hunt needs to have the feel of being "Alien" and ruthless and sounding "Evil" and "Scary" for their victims for a while in the game, but at a later point, they need to take the mask they are trying to portray and reveal the real side of theirs, it will be interesting as @eliharel said, to see the reactions of gamers who didn't know the real truth about the Wild Hunt
And besides, having a badass "demon-sounding" enemy will get tiring after a while, so I doubt that CDPR's writing team do not know that at all
I agree with both of your posts, the Wild Hunt needs to have the feel of being "Alien" and ruthless and sounding "Evil" and "Scary" for their victims for a while in the game, but at a later point, they need to take the mask they are trying to portray and reveal the real side of theirs, it will be interesting as @eliharel said, to see the reactions of gamers who didn't know the real truth about the Wild Hunt
And besides, having a badass "demon-sounding" enemy will get tiring after a while, so I doubt that CDPR's writing team do not know that at all
But that's not exactly a "no" to what I wrote. What I wrote is that in the particular instance I copied from the book, they manifest themselves in a way that makes them appear like the generic evil guys. I didn't say that in their essence they're the stereotypical evil. I said that they, at least once, looked that way. It was their entrance.
Why is this relevant? Because this discussion began about a voice, and naturally steered a bit to their appearance. It makes sense because these two are under the category of the Wild Hunt's general presentation, without going in depth about their motivation.
We know what they truly are - after six books and then some. When we first met them in the novels they appeared to be the typical terrifying evil. Why is CDPR criticized for doing the same with their design? Well, scratch
The discussion can be about whether they look and sound like the typical evil, and then about whether or not they actually are with their agenda and reasoning. Mixing the two isn't right. They looked and sounded like the typical evil in the books, and so far they're doing the same in the game.
Which brings us to the matter of whether or not they objectively appear as they were described, or if Ciri's hallucinating--
I agree Scholdarr, but I think that this means you should also be a bit careful. It works both ways. Do we know that this scene really captures their appearance instead of prying on a person's imagination? No, we don't know. Do we know that they pry on a person's imagination? No, we don't know. In such a case one interpretation is as good as the other. Actually, I would say that the burden of persuasion\proof is on the person claiming that what's really happening is very different from what's being described, and that burden hasn't been lifted yet.
But I'll go along with your logic for a moment. Maybe it is just the perspective of the character, whose eyes we see the world through, that twists their real appearance. What's to say that isn't the case with the Wild Hunt in TW3? Both in matters of voice and appearance? Nothing's to say that, so that claim can be used by both "camps" on this matter.
As long as there's at least two interpretations that are reasonable (and I think I showed that there's reason to accept both sides) such authoritative comments that completely dismiss one design decision in favor of a more "realistic and less cartoony one" virtually say - your interpretation is pathetic, mine is correct. I don't want people to walk on eggshells when voicing their opinions, but being direct doesn't mean dissing on everyone else by essentially calling things uninspired, laughable, etc.
I agree.Well, in the end it's also quite possible that the Aen Elle magically altered their appearance for their riders to induce as much fear as possible on the battlefield or to create a certain sense of authority. They could perhaps also change their voice for that very reason. If that's the case I really, really hope that we also see the people "behind the mask" and the Wild Hunt won't stay in their (super villain) roles the whole time. I really hope that we also see the "real" Eredin in the game, showing his real face and speaking with his real, "normal" , not bad-ass super-deep voice. That way the difference between playing the role on the battlefield or while being on the ride with the Hunt and being just their real self in more quiet and private scenes would be much more powerful and it would also give the Hunt so much more depth. We already know that Avallac'h showed himself in the Witcher world as his real self before in the books, speaking to Geralt about the future and the prophecy for example. So I hope CDPR gives the Aen Elle enough space and opportunity to develop more depth that goes much beyond their obvious appearance as Wild Hunt. In the end, the most "powerful" and impressive villains are those who we can sympathize or feel with, at least in parts. We don't have to agree with their actions but at least we should be able to understand their basic motives and what actual thinking patterns led to their actions. Being able to look behind the public mask of villains and proving that there are still "normal" people and not mindless evil monsters is a sign of good writing and storytelling imo. So if the voice of Eredin and the appearance of the Hunt stays in the game like they are presented in the trailers (and they will do so) I hope for an extreme change of appearance and voice at some point in the game. Maybe even a second voice actor for the "real" Eredin without magical alerations or wearing a mask would be cool IMHO. That way they'd also respect the literary basis.
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he said me that i "was probably lying i have a r9 270x" that "is below the minimum specs for AC unity and that's why it works bad" and my opinion on ac4 being and looking better "is wrong , no question".
So he is the harbinger of truth, don't contradict him.
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VGX trailer's Eredin's voice is about 10 times better than the voice he has on the Elder Blood trailer's voice.
Why did they change it? If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Why did they change it? If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
@eliharel
What we've seen in trailers so far is completely different...
And I just dislike the design...Power armors, metalic voices are not necessary...maybe I am getting old but that is not intimidating or shocking or badass-just ridiculous...
Eredin's first version had a tower on top of his helm, ffs
I agree with you...They look 'badass' and generic in the book also...But this is different type of badassery-they are spectral riders, corpses on horse skeletons with rusty helmets and ragged cloaks..
What we've seen in trailers so far is completely different...
And I just dislike the design...Power armors, metalic voices are not necessary...maybe I am getting old but that is not intimidating or shocking or badass-just ridiculous...
Eredin's first version had a tower on top of his helm, ffs
The Wild Hunt's look is badass and stick to the world described on books in my opinion.
Doesnt seem any different to me. It says eredin has a helmet, cuirass, cloak, skull face, and hes riding a skeletal horse. The in game version pretty much checks all those boxes, it even looks rusty and worn. Only thing missing are the flaming eye holes.@eliharel
I agree with you...They look 'badass' and generic in the book also...But this is different type of badassery-they are spectral riders, corpses on horse skeletons with rusty helmets and ragged cloaks..
What we've seen in trailers so far is completely different...
And I just dislike the design...Power armors, metalic voices are not necessary...maybe I am getting old but that is not intimidating or shocking or badass-just ridiculous...
Eredin's first version had a tower on top of his helm, ffs
After watching the 3 trailers again, I too feel like there are 3 different guys speaking and not the same one, be it Eredin or someone else.
As for the look, I dig it, they are supposed to instill fear in the hearths of men, so having an imposing and frightening armor helps in that regard.
The creepy ghostly voices just seal the deal. When people are stricken with fear, the give no resistance when they are taken, which is one of the reason the Wild Hunt gathers them, for slaves.
As for the look, I dig it, they are supposed to instill fear in the hearths of men, so having an imposing and frightening armor helps in that regard.
The creepy ghostly voices just seal the deal. When people are stricken with fear, the give no resistance when they are taken, which is one of the reason the Wild Hunt gathers them, for slaves.
Like most of us, just some who know (sic) Sapkowski hate games plot and have deep sorrow about how bad developed characters made of his creations are totally against their depiction so far.
Would you like to identify the source of that statement? Because it doesn't bear any resemblance to any quote from Sapkowski that has previously been discussed here.
He's known not to have been involved, not to consider the games canon, and not to have any interest in video games. Extrapolating that into your statement appears to be less than factual.
It's also not quite the same as you said some hours ago:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32660-Eredin-s-voice?p=1479553&viewfull=1#post1479553