RLKing1969;n10093391 said:Definitely an idea well ahead of it's time. And who knows, maybe by 2077, they'll have worked out the bugs.
Already done in 2020. It's the Sternmeyer M-95 /CG-13, depending on which variant you use.
RLKing1969;n10093391 said:Definitely an idea well ahead of it's time. And who knows, maybe by 2077, they'll have worked out the bugs.
Sardukhar;n10093631 said:Already done in 2020. It's the Sternmeyer M-95 /CG-13, depending on which variant you use.
Still haven't solved the basic problems with the bullpup design and caseless ammo tho.Sardukhar;n10093631 said:Already done in 2020. It's the Sternmeyer M-95 /CG-13, depending on which variant you use.
Suhiira;n10094741 said:Still haven't solved the basic problems with the bullpup design and caseless ammo tho.
OK, maybe they can solve the ammo problems by 2077, but the bullpup design issues are inherent in the design itself.
Sardukhar;n10094871 said:What bullpup design issues?
Suhiira;n10099561 said:Yes, many of these problems are solvable, but not all of them.
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Snowflakez;n9901061 said:Great questions!
- Hmmm... I'm not sure I understand this one. Do you mean art direction, or functionality?
- I'd love to see a lot of concealable weapons, sticking with the theme of the high-tech cyberpunk universe. Blades hidden within your clothes, or the arm-blade scythe things we saw from the woman in the trailer. Pistols that are almost completely silent (I'm pretty sure 60 years from now we'll have figured out the whole "true silencer" thing), maybe a few thermal weapons that don't rely on ammo to function. "High tech" weapons that can screw with opponent implants - say, maybe you hack into their arm blades and slice them up with them, that sort of thing. Ultimately, I'd like to see a lot of ultra-deadly weapons, that require great skill to take full advantage of.
- This is a tough one. On one hand, I think shooting mechanics like GTA V worked well, but on the other hand, this is an RPG that is based on a very gritty, realistic tabletop game. You can't walk through bullet fire from 3 enemies and expect to survive in the Cyberpunk world, at least not as you could in a game like GTA. So, aiming and gunplay would either need to be lightning fast and deadly, or slower, more methodical and deliberate. I really don't have a good answer for this, it's tough.
Sardukhar;n10099841 said:one of which sees crazy amounts of use every day.
Sardukhar;n9901781 said:Yep. That's even part of the PnP - new weapons come along, variants of old weapons and old weapons still in play.
By 2077, well, should be interesting.
eraser7278;n10100011 said:since you're basing all this on the performance of your particular rifle, would you mind defining "crazy amounts of use?" To me that would indicate thousands of rounds between cleanings and zero stoppages, but I'd like to establish your baseline before continuing.
Now here you make a perfectly valid argument for a preference for the bullpup design. Gun grabbing politicians aren't smart enough to realize they're (in a functional sense) exactly the same as the "assault" weapons they just banned.Sardukhar;n10100421 said:I like it because it's cool, because it's a new thing to learn and mostly, because I can get a small .308 Win rifle that's legal to truck around in Canada. And it -is- ridiculously small for a .308 Win. Whereas the AR platforms are restricted and the AK platforms are prohibited, the RFB is neither.
Suhiira;n10102341 said:Now here you make a perfectly valid argument for a preference for the bullpup design. Gun grabbing politicians aren't smart enough to realize they're (in a functional sense) exactly the same as the "assault" weapons they just banned.
Sardukhar;n10106271 said:Oh, it's truly hilarious. I was at the gun store the other day looking at a restricted AR-10. Same calibre as mine, much easier to spot carried around and waaay heavier. Restricted. I'm a fan of gun control, but c'mon. Some common sense here idjits.
Sardukhar;n10106271 said:That said, I've always taken Cyberpunk's Concealment ratings, although very valuable, also pretty modifiable - and dependent on how clever the player gets. This is to different degrees of Awareness of course. But a clever player who puts a Heavy pistol inside a tablet should be fine from cursory inspection - likewise those who add suppressors and drum mags to a battle-rifle should not only be Not Concealable, but actually attract attention.
eraser7278;n10106321 said:there's also no account given for making something more hidden at the expense of it being slower to deploy. pop the takedown pins on an AR and you can fit that in a moderate sized pack, it'll just cost you 2 combat rounds to slap it together. you can hide a folding stock AK quite well in a tennis racket case... once you take the mag out, etc.
Yep, that's one (of the many) areas where a human GM can adjust things as needed.Sardukhar;n10106271 said:That said, I've always taken Cyberpunk's Concealment ratings, although very valuable, also pretty modifiable - and dependent on how clever the player gets.
This is to different degrees of Awareness of course. But a clever player who puts a Heavy pistol inside a tablet should be fine from cursory inspection - likewise those who add suppressors and drum mags to a battle-rifle should not only be Not Concealable, but actually attract attention.
As Sardukhar said, good points.eraser7278;n10106321 said:there's also no account given for making something more hidden at the expense of it being slower to deploy. pop the takedown pins on an AR and you can fit that in a moderate sized pack, it'll just cost you 2 combat rounds to slap it together. you can hide a folding stock AK quite well in a tennis racket case... once you take the mag out, etc.
One of the reasons I currently live in Utah.eraser7278;n10106291 said:you know what's funny, I have a bunch of guns I need to register as "assault" weapons later this year.
eraser7278;n10106321 said:Canadian laws ARE weird. like apparently anything AK based is banned, but anything M14 based gets a free pass... which brings us to this abortion of a rifle.
Hey, M-14's are good, solid old weapons. In my humble opinion, the only thing that that old M-14 pictured needs is to ditch the heavy assed wood furniture and go with lighter composites.
there's also no account given for making something more hidden at the expense of it being slower to deploy. pop the takedown pins on an AR and you can fit that in a moderate sized pack, it'll just cost you 2 combat rounds to slap it together. you can hide a folding stock AK quite well in a tennis racket case... once you take the mag out, etc.
RLKing1969;n10106841 said:Hey, M-14's are good, solid old weapons. In my humble opinion, the only thing that that old M-14 pictured needs is to ditch the heavy assed wood furniture and go with lighter composites.
eraser7278;n10106921 said:it is a synthetic stock, but even with that it's tilting the scales at over 10lbs and commands a price of 800 beaver pelts
http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/norinco-m14-m305-a-7-62x39-18-6.html
for that price an enterprising frostback could buy themselves 4 SKS rifles built in the same NORINCO factory! they also tip the scales at 8lbs, and you could shave another lb off that by swapping to a tapco stock and ditching the bayonet.
http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/chinese-type-56-sks-7-62x39-20.html
also, can't help but bitch about being denied the opportunity to purchase a $550 M14... damn import bans
http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/norinco-m14-m305-308-win-22.html