...or Floggers 
@Aes Sídhe
Some of the stones are in fact replicas/markers.Sadly the communist regime hasn't been very kind to the site.IIRC Nicolae Ceausescu poured concrete over one of the sanctuaries to make himself a helicopter pad.
OT: Everytime I come back to this thread I keep hating the creature's name more and more.The fact that it's a diminutive and that it's a term used in a completly different "field" then fantasy doesn't help it in the least.Fogler is/was way better IMO.
@Aes Sídhe
Some of the stones are in fact replicas/markers.Sadly the communist regime hasn't been very kind to the site.IIRC Nicolae Ceausescu poured concrete over one of the sanctuaries to make himself a helicopter pad.
OT: Everytime I come back to this thread I keep hating the creature's name more and more.The fact that it's a diminutive and that it's a term used in a completly different "field" then fantasy doesn't help it in the least.Fogler is/was way better IMO.
Catlet... Tigerlet... Devlet... Demonlet... Sardlet.... Pollsterlet... Doomlet... Gloomlet... Apocalypselet ?
Nope, just not happening, let just isn't scary... and look at wee Sardlet, ain't he cute
Seems the PIE makers not bothered either, can only get fog translated (kalgōn, nebhlā), its never heardlet.
Nope, just not happening, let just isn't scary... and look at wee Sardlet, ain't he cute
Seems the PIE makers not bothered either, can only get fog translated (kalgōn, nebhlā), its never heardlet.
Could already be taken by Percival's Avatars in the game - you know the music group playing in Dijkstra's seedy tavern - when after dark & the appropriate quantity of Mahakaman Mead is drunk they turn seriously hairy terrorising the town looking for somewhere to continue the craic, Folkers generally don't know when to stop, when the music grips them they're insatiable... you could even say they're out of their folken minds
Another great discussion I somehow missed. Oh well. :mellow:
Not that I can contribute in the same manner, the distance between Montenegro and Ireland and the distance you went to make connections was enjoyable to read! :happy:
But Scandinavian countries(Norway, Sweden, Denmark) also have really old words that have influenced English. Well they've influenced each other.It's very easy to see the resemblance with the old English language for instance, but also Latin and Germanic influences.
I think I mentioned it in another thread but in some places in England(east coast), there are small villages who speak in a manner so heavily influenced by Scandinavian it's incredible. Can't find the video of my example, but in it you see an old fisherman speaking in a way that makes more sense to a Scandinavian than to an Englishman.
Here's more about the connection if you're interested: http://www.babbel.com/magazine/139-norse-words
I like this part: "terrain can be shrouded in fok."
Which is to be fog then? So to come full circle(circlet) the monster name Fokker is the one we're after then? If they are tenacious little bastards, using cowardly hit and run tactics in the mist, I know I'll call out the little fokkers for what they are. :laughing:
Seriously though, there is another connection between the the word focka and the English word but I won't go into that. :ermm:
Regarding the name of the monster. Well, booklet, novelette, circlet, wavelet, rivulet, droplet, whatever. The only "let" we ought to expect I expect is to be "let" down. I don't think devs will change it to be honest.
But one can hope. Suggestions then? How about stressing that they are indeed manipulating the fog? To make it? To let it? So Fogletter? No? Better than Foglet.
How about Fogmaker? Mistmaker?
In Swedish the word for fog is dimma. So Dimwit? No, but if not maker then how about waker? Dimwaker? Fogwaker? Yeah, why not? :happy:
Not that I can contribute in the same manner, the distance between Montenegro and Ireland and the distance you went to make connections was enjoyable to read! :happy:
But Scandinavian countries(Norway, Sweden, Denmark) also have really old words that have influenced English. Well they've influenced each other.It's very easy to see the resemblance with the old English language for instance, but also Latin and Germanic influences.
I think I mentioned it in another thread but in some places in England(east coast), there are small villages who speak in a manner so heavily influenced by Scandinavian it's incredible. Can't find the video of my example, but in it you see an old fisherman speaking in a way that makes more sense to a Scandinavian than to an Englishman.
Here's more about the connection if you're interested: http://www.babbel.com/magazine/139-norse-words
I like this part: "terrain can be shrouded in fok."
Which is to be fog then? So to come full circle(circlet) the monster name Fokker is the one we're after then? If they are tenacious little bastards, using cowardly hit and run tactics in the mist, I know I'll call out the little fokkers for what they are. :laughing:
Seriously though, there is another connection between the the word focka and the English word but I won't go into that. :ermm:
Regarding the name of the monster. Well, booklet, novelette, circlet, wavelet, rivulet, droplet, whatever. The only "let" we ought to expect I expect is to be "let" down. I don't think devs will change it to be honest.
But one can hope. Suggestions then? How about stressing that they are indeed manipulating the fog? To make it? To let it? So Fogletter? No? Better than Foglet.
How about Fogmaker? Mistmaker?
In Swedish the word for fog is dimma. So Dimwit? No, but if not maker then how about waker? Dimwaker? Fogwaker? Yeah, why not? :happy:
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Actually, I like 'dimmwaker'...It sounds good, mysterious even...
But, to be honest, it is hard to find appropriate english word for this creature...So If we can't have 'maglovid', I don't really care
And those scandinavian words in modern english are interesting...Consequence of Norsemen conquest, Danelaw, Jórvík etc...Age of Vikings! :respect:
I struggle to understand Fishermen myself, crazy submarine dodgers, they're a breed apart... fair play to them ! The video could very well have been Orkney or Shetland though, the population of which is as much Norse as
Excellent link to Viking gifted words, I didn't realise there were so many words that I use regularly originating from the Scandinavian. The bit about syntax was the most enlightening though:
I can't think at the minute of a similar effect on the Irish language, but then our syntax is very different. I'm also very surprised by heathen though I suspect that may just be the PIE language again, hell is one I noted before and thought there must be an interesting story about how that infiltrated English.
I think it was @mefris; that pointed out -let is a diminutive, it's unavoidable that its use will diminish the monster in the minds of native English speakers, whats been enlightening about this discussion though is that even those non-native English speakers find it to have the same effect. But I haven't personally given up hope - its also not a crucial issue - that either there will be a change, or we don't have all the info yet, and in time we will see that it all makes sense ! (I have some ideas of what they might pull out of their hats but don't want to discuss them
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Aye, you are right, I couldn't find the video or remember where exactly this fisherman lived, it's been several years since I saw it. Somewhere on the east coast of an english speaking country west of Scandinavia where vikings went. I wanted to cover my back but forgot that they are called the British Isles.I struggle to understand Fishermen myself, crazy submarine dodgers, they're a breed apart... fair play to them ! The video could very well have been Orkney or Shetland though, the population of which is as much Norse asEnglishGael. Or Newfoundland and Nova Scotia... same story. People with more salt than blood in their veins I expect
Excellent link to Viking gifted words, I didn't realise there were so many words that I use regularly originating from the Scandinavian. The bit about syntax was the most enlightening though:
I can't think at the minute of a similar effect on the Irish language, but then our syntax is very different. I'm also very surprised by heathen though I suspect that may just be the PIE language again, hell is one I noted before and thought there must be an interesting story about how that infiltrated English.
I think it was @mefris; that pointed out -let is a diminutive, it's unavoidable that its use will diminish the monster in the minds of native English speakers, whats been enlightening about this discussion though is that even those non-native English speakers find it to have the same effect. But I haven't personally given up hope - its also not a crucial issue - that either there will be a change, or we don't have all the info yet, and in time we will see that it all makes sense ! (I have some ideas of what they might pull out of their hats but don't want to discuss them
About the link, know that there are several other sites regarding this, but if you ever wonder about a Scandinavian word, ask your friend Bellator.
I think many words we don't think about in Scandinavia, are plain to see and find a connection to english if you give them some thought.
We don't use it very much but hed/heden(noun) is indeed a place with characteristic nature, such as step, tundra, plain, clearing.
Hedning, heathen(a word which we don't use much) refers to a non-believer, barbarian, or worshipper of nature. Very condescending, but they apparently got the name from where they lived. I suspect it's the same connection with the word villager and villain. Don't we all love when the high and mighty rulers think up ways to ostracise and demean those they can't control?
Hel and Hell isn't difficult to see either. Though I miss the words sword, alderman, thing, and many others from the list.
Yes, @mefris was the one pointing out the diminutive observation.
I haven't given up hope. I'm rooting for fogler, or my own creation Dimwaker! ^_^
Aye "Heathen" seems to have the same connotation as "Pagan" in that theres a condescending City versus Rural element to them both, as if city dwellers have the monopoly on smarts (and i'm one myself, only 1st generation though! So theres hope). Don't let me get started on Urbanisation though mate, I have a theory humanity breaks at certain concentrations
Iceland, Nova Scotia, and yes Norway are all on my bucketlist of places to visit, even if when I get the chance I tend to prefer sunnier climes
The Vikings in Ireland & Scotland appear to have had no difficulty learning our language, and it isn't a close relative, but then there was probably always someone available with at least a common language, like English, or Greek, that was the language of trade after all... and the Norse were trading with others for years before they went a Viking (thats what some academics assert anyway, and it makes sense).
oh aye, I reckon Fogler is my preferred option too...
Iceland, Nova Scotia, and yes Norway are all on my bucketlist of places to visit, even if when I get the chance I tend to prefer sunnier climes
The Vikings in Ireland & Scotland appear to have had no difficulty learning our language, and it isn't a close relative, but then there was probably always someone available with at least a common language, like English, or Greek, that was the language of trade after all... and the Norse were trading with others for years before they went a Viking (thats what some academics assert anyway, and it makes sense).
oh aye, I reckon Fogler is my preferred option too...
Foglet...Mysterious fog manipulator, with diminutive and unimpressive name, caused 10 pages of discussion. Mostly off-topic: Slavic names and languages, Norsemen conquest of Britain, Celtic presence at Balkan peninsula, Ireland-Montenegro linguistic connections...etc, etc...
Man, I love this community :cheers2:
By the way, if the game let me-I will change it to maglovid B)
Man, I love this community :cheers2:
By the way, if the game let me-I will change it to maglovid B)
So, I don't remember if this was mentioned already, but I'm reading the books again. The plan is that I'll read them all before game release. Anyway, in the Last Wish, on page 116 a fogler is mentioned. Fogler. Immediately thought of this thread. ^_^
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Where in the book is it, could you describe what happens, cause i tried to look in my Swedish copy of The Last Wish to see if it uses fogler or another translated word but my page 116 does not mention it, i have a pocket version.
Ay, @Bellator Pius Gratus , could you describe the adventure where the 'Fogler' was mentioned a bit more precisely, please? I have the German edition, so I can't find the reference by the page number either.