FP VS TP - perspective matters

[Sydanyo]

I did word it partially wrong but you are also very incorrect in coming on here to a form specifically full of hopeful fans and saying that they said something that they didn’t say. A CDPR guy actually responded on here saying they’re looking at the feedback so don’t come saying they blatantly said something they didn’t. You’re probably one of the ones telling them forget all of us.

Again, I've linked the video, I've quoted what they said verbatim, I even quoted the developer you mention, who also didn't talk about making changes based on feedback. I'm not the one reading into things here. You are. I'm not the one spreading (false) hope about there being a possible third person mode added later on, when nothing has been said anywhere to indicate that, and the opposite has been said several times directly and indirectly. You're the one doing that, as well.

No need to get aggressive here. I understand you want a third person mode. I'm just repeating what was actually said, and what CDPR's message actually was.

 

[Terralventhe]

Jesus, stop overreacting, people. You're fighting the wrong enemy. If some of you suffer from motion sickness, then switching to TPP won't do much good, only doctor's attention will.

Actually, TPP will do a LOT of good, seeing as it won't trigger motion sickness. Really, to tell people not to overreact and then to leap straight into 'only a doctor can help you' is ironic at best.

 

[xer21]

Not for everyone. Some people suffer more dramatic effect then others ... duh.
A little less elitism and more sympathy for other might work wonders BTW.

a more dramatic effect isn't the same as having a different cause. the issue is STILL field of view. its just that third person games have a drastically wider field of view. You can bridge the gap for MOST people in firswt person shooters by widening the field of view, but you cant ever get it as wide as third person. but that doesn't change the root cause of the. The reason Third person works is because of the field of view, period. if there were a way to get that 180+ degree field of view in First person without it looking stretched to hell, you'd be fine.

again, it sucks you suffer from it so much but I'm not wrong as to the cause.

 

[GeometryOfShadows]

Well, I offered my view in the rest of that very post: It depends on how CDPR plans to do its online multiplayer content, and whether we can see other players' characters and models during gameplay. If yes, that means that the game already has fully fleshed out models and animations for player characters, which gets around the biggest obstacle around there, which is the one that SigilFey was talking about as well.

So long as there is a model with animations attached to it, then a third-person mod is viable.

That being said, I can't speak for any 'UI' effects that would have to be modded and retextured.

Its also possible they did a lot of the work for TPP and just abandoned it to focus on the FPP. Maybe they still have some previous work already done on it? I dont know..

 

[Rawls]

Welcome to the Forums @kingsword !

 

[Guest 3573786]

I do believe that most of the kneejerk reactions are based on a lack of information.
As in, we know very little of the game, so imagination runs wild, the biggest fears can't be dismissed or found to be true.
ignorance in this case, just fosters further discussion, like the Sun vs Night debate

Heh, cant help but find this funny.

Nobody is saying the game wont be good, that it wont have this or that - only our preferences and attitudes towards FP (for me specifically FP in rpgs). How is that based on lack of information? Are you saying first person in this game will somehow be magically different so everybody who prefers third person will instantly change their mind when they see what it's like?

 

[darkdevil1907]

I don't even play any of the FPS games because of the FPP, I have played thru TW3 FIVE times no less, really big fan of CDPR as a developer, and honestly they did nothing wrong, just exploring new grounds, but after watching those first few minutes of the Gamespot interview I wanted to go home, sit in a corner and cry...

 

[wall2211]

Again, I've linked the video, I've quoted what they said verbatim, I even quoted the developer you mention, who also didn't talk about making changes based on feedback. I'm not the one reading into things here. You are. I'm not the one spreading (false) hope about there being a possible third person mode added later on, when nothing has been said anywhere to indicate that, and the opposite has been said several times directly and indirectly. You're the one doing that, as well.

No need to get aggressive here. I understand you want a third person mode. I'm just repeating what was actually said, and what CDPR's message actually was.

They actually said nothing of the sort dude. I watched the live in the colleseum and they simply said no there isn’t third person. They didn’t say” no there isn’t third person and we’re not gonna add it.”

 

[BaalNergal]

curious though, wasnt GTA 5 completely third person, but they later added a first person mode that worked well? and wasnt that far off from launch, i remember using it a little bit to see what it was like

There were numerous graphical glitches, varying depending on platform, and not all of them have been fixed yet. Some of these could prevent you from effectively playing the game.

That's not saying that CDPR will have the same issues. Just that they have a lot more testing to do before they add another camera perspective.

Jesus, stop overreacting, people. You're fighting the wrong enemy. If some of you suffer from motion sickness, then switching to TPP won't do much good, only doctor's attention will.

Natural causes for motion sickness and generally FPP being uncomfortable are low FOV and input delay (source engine game, bioshock infinite). If CDPR are aiming for excellence, we'd be able to set desirable FOV anyway and input delay should be a non-issue.

Get a grip. Especially you, @wisdom000

That motion sickness information is more... extremely general. The human eye has an extreme amount of variation, varying in number of cones and rods as well as shape. The human brain also varies, sometimes interpreting input differently than what is considered the average.

This is part of what killed certain special effects used in the first Hobbit movie (not everyone could perceive them, and some had bad reactions). The reality is, the human eye is one of the least predictable elements of the human body as far as reactions.

 

[Kretek]

I don't even play any of the FPS games because of the FPP, I have played thru TW3 FIVE times no less, really big fan of CDPR as a developer, and honestly they did nothing wrong, just exploring new grounds, but after watching those first few minutes of the Gamespot interview I wanted to go home, sit in a corner and cry...

Same here mate. Same here.

 

[Snowflakez]

It'd mind-boggling how CP77 sub-Reddit buries any criticism about this in minutes, thank God CDP has a decent official forum to talk about it without getting censored by the masses. It's still rather disappointing how so many people cannot even tolerate options and just want it their way and in none other when it's technically very possible to do both without compromise.

They're even attacking and disbelieving people who say they get sick playing. One of the worse communities I came across. Good to see the people here have sense and respect to others.

I don't want to talk badly about other 2077 communities, but... yeah. The subreddit is not a good place to go for tolerant dicussions.

 

[Terralventhe]

Heh, cant help but find this funny.

Nobody is saying the game wont be good, that it wont have this or that - only our preferences and attitudes towards FP (for me specifically FP in rpgs). How is that based on lack of information? Are you saying first person in this game will somehow be magically different so everybody who prefers third person will instantly change their mind when they see what it's like?

Honestly, I have never once said that the game will be bad. I'm sure it'll be great. I have my doubts about melee and what can be achieved with first-person given what the game itself is basing itself on, but no game is perfect in the first place, and if it can deliver on a good story and characters I'm sure people will love the game just fine - especially those.. fortunate enough.. to enjoy first-person perspectives.

My problem is and always will be my inability to play it.

 

[Razrback16]

I am hoping that at some point soon, CDPR is having an upper level management meeting to talk about the fallout from this announcement and I'd really like to think the prevailing thought will be: "Hey folks, we've spent the last 5 years working on this game, have a ton of money and resources invested, and have a pretty hyped up group of fans that are excited to play it. We just poured cold water on a lot of that with this FPP announcement...maybe we ought to seriously consider adding TPP at least as an option for people because it's either that, or a sizeable group of people probably aren't going to buy into this franchise now.

Food for thought. IMO at minimum you make both an option so that all your players are happy. And in fact, the perspective should be a "toggle". I know for me, since it will have FPS elements to it during combat, I'll play TPP most of the time with an XBOX controller and then when the game turns into a firefight, I'd likely switch to FPP and use a mouse / keyboard. Bottom line, giving your players options to play the game the way they want is a good idea. Ideally you want all player bases to enjoy the game, not force them to play the game in a manner that they dislike.

 

[metalmaniac21]

TPP will do a LOT of good, seeing as it won't trigger motion sickness.

Crappy camera or weapon animation jiggle, mentioned narrow FOV does. If these are not CP2077's issues, you're good to go. If yes, that's a different question.

 

[xer21]

No, mate, it's absolutely not. You are categorically wrong. Factually incorrect.

no it is, its just that third person is drastically wider and you cant ever get that wide in first person. there's an unbridgeable gap. theoretically you could do it if first person allowed for a much wider field of view to be playable (it isn't because various reasons, it will just looked streteched and fisheyed past a certain point) but it is still fundamentally why third person games don't produce this. some people just have stronger reactions so widening the field of view comfortably in FP games isn't possible. but that doesn't chance the cause.

 

[ammapuliraj]

Jesus, stop overreacting, people. You're fighting the wrong enemy. If some of you suffer from motion sickness, then switching to TPP won't do much good, only doctor's attention will.

Natural causes for motion sickness and generally FPP being uncomfortable are low FOV and input delay (source engine game, bioshock infinite). If CDPR are aiming for excellence, we'd be able to set desirable FOV anyway and input delay should be a non-issue.

Get a grip. Especially you, @wisdom000

no one is overreacting here but you..some people do have hyperactive vestibular systems medication just doesn't help much...and it includes a lot of people... Lots and lots of bigoted statements here..just show them the courtesy as your fellow humans,who wants to enjoy their favorite game that they have been waiting for five years...'overreacting' is such a blatant and ignorant statement here,it hurts to hear

 

[Guest 3573786]

Honestly, I have never once said that the game will be bad. I'm sure it'll be great. I have my doubts about melee and what can be achieved with first-person given what the game itself is basing itself on, but no game is perfect in the first place, and if it can deliver one a good story and characters I'm sure people will love the game just fine - especially those.. fortunate enough.. to enjoy first-person perspectives.

My problem is and always will be my inability to play it.

Maybe it will be so good you wont mind playing with a bucket or two next to you

 

[Sydanyo]

They actually said nothing of the sort dude. I watched the live in the colleseum and they simply said no there isn’t third person. They didn’t say” no there isn’t third person and we’re not gonna add it.”

The exact words were:

Geoff: "Will there be a third person mode?"
CDPR: "Uhh, no."

That's clear to me. I'm not reading anything into it. I'm not making up any kind of hopeful fantasies outside of those specific words that were used.

 

[Rawls]

Post edited. Alright lots of new people. We have forum rules (check my signature). Do not personally go after or insult others, even if you disagree with them.

Things like - "That is inaccurate." Fine!

Things like - "You're a liar!" Not okay. Leads to flame. Which leads to hammers.

 

[spookyxelectric]

The exact words were:

Geoff: "Will there be a third person mode?"
CDPR: "Uhh, no."

That's clear to me. I'm not reading anything into it. I'm not making up any kind of hopeful fantasies outside of those specific words that were used.

You're gonna have to let this go. This conversation is literally going nowhere.

you're right though.