Easy on the thesaurus there, bub. This is CDPR's vision, they are designing it how they see fit.
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Easy on the thesaurus there, bub. This is CDPR's vision, they are designing it how they see fit.
how can someone in their right mind use mirrors as an argument in favor of FPP???? there will be mirrors in the game, you can see your character in mirrors???? what is this, a real life or a game? Doom had mirrors 15 years ago, it was good back then but now its just ridiculus
if we have a big possibilities of customization of character, we NEED to have a TPP possibility
if we have a big possibilities of customization of character, we NEED to have a TPP possibility
Exactly. I do not see any point of making my own character. Also saying FP is more immersive just tries to undermine an amazing immersive series such as the Witcher.
@Sheeeen
True, but i didn t say anything about it "being easy" right.
We don t even saw any gameplay so far and you guys all go nuts FFS.
Besides if the REDs only slightly stay true to this, they might still consider trying
to bring in that option.
Deus Ex HR first person was ok, wasn' t it? So just go a bit easy on this bloody
topic. So maybe... just maybe let the devs first finish the FPP and then test out
any TPP option? hm? (guess not though... looking at all those sites already "raging")
So long
True, but i didn t say anything about it "being easy" right.
We don t even saw any gameplay so far and you guys all go nuts FFS.
Besides if the REDs only slightly stay true to this, they might still consider trying
to bring in that option.
Deus Ex HR first person was ok, wasn' t it? So just go a bit easy on this bloody
topic. So maybe... just maybe let the devs first finish the FPP and then test out
any TPP option? hm? (guess not though... looking at all those sites already "raging")
So long
Cyberpunk being first person has made me less optimistic. I look at all my favourite games and their 3rd person. I look at all the critically acclaimed RPGs and they're third-person. No matter how much I trust CDPR to do a good job, I'm not sure they can completely mitigate my discomfort for 1st person perspective in RPGs.
The only 1st person games which I've enjoyed are Far Cry 4 and Titanfall 2. Far Cry gave me headaches after 1-2 hours playing time which we can possibly attribute to 30fps giving me motion sickness. Titanfall 2 are by devs who are familiar with making shooters. So I only see this working for me if it's 60fps and CDPR devs have experience creating games in FPS.
The only 1st person games which I've enjoyed are Far Cry 4 and Titanfall 2. Far Cry gave me headaches after 1-2 hours playing time which we can possibly attribute to 30fps giving me motion sickness. Titanfall 2 are by devs who are familiar with making shooters. So I only see this working for me if it's 60fps and CDPR devs have experience creating games in FPS.
Well, I've gone from extremely eager for this game to zero interest.
Plain and simple, for me, first person RPG's just do not work. To me, they are actually less immersive, I cannot connect to my position in relation to my surroundings; knowing where I am is important, it grounds you, being a floating camera doesn't. I've tried games like Skyrim and Fallout, even though they have third person views their combat is still based around pointing an aiming reticule directly at enemies, even for melee, rather than being able to judge position, range and weapon strike.
It was obviously never going to be turn based, my preferred style of RPG, but this whole drive of always trying to turn games into twitch based shooters (even whilst still claiming "it's an RPG") is absolutely infuriating.
I am not the character in the game, so why keep on driving the mechanics to be wholly reliant on me, rather than the skills of the character I've created?
Are we going to see typical FPS style combat where I have to improve my shooting skills as the game progresses, or will it get easier because my character's skills mean that they're more accurate and so I don't have to be?
CDPR: if you've made it the former, you've made an FPS, not an RPG no matter how much you protest.
Plain and simple, for me, first person RPG's just do not work. To me, they are actually less immersive, I cannot connect to my position in relation to my surroundings; knowing where I am is important, it grounds you, being a floating camera doesn't. I've tried games like Skyrim and Fallout, even though they have third person views their combat is still based around pointing an aiming reticule directly at enemies, even for melee, rather than being able to judge position, range and weapon strike.
It was obviously never going to be turn based, my preferred style of RPG, but this whole drive of always trying to turn games into twitch based shooters (even whilst still claiming "it's an RPG") is absolutely infuriating.
I am not the character in the game, so why keep on driving the mechanics to be wholly reliant on me, rather than the skills of the character I've created?
Are we going to see typical FPS style combat where I have to improve my shooting skills as the game progresses, or will it get easier because my character's skills mean that they're more accurate and so I don't have to be?
CDPR: if you've made it the former, you've made an FPS, not an RPG no matter how much you protest.
So, I'll add my two cents here, although I doubt I'll be able to add anything that hasn't been told before.
Being 1st person instead of 3rd person is not going to be a dealbreaker for me. I'm not going to pass on a good game just because I would have prefered 3rd person, but it's going to be detrimental to my enjoyment for sure. People tend to bring up games like Elder Scrolls or Deus Ex. Those are great games indeed, and I like them. But there wasn't a single play session of Oblivion or Deux Ex when I didn't think, "Jaysus this would be so great if it had been designed for 3rd person perspective". And I know that Oblivion could be played in 3rd person, but it clearly wasn't designed for it.
We all have our reasons, but for me, playing in 1st person has always felt like seeing the world through a window on the wall. It just feels constrained, limited, and if I increase the field of view (if the option is even there to begin with) to a point where it starts to feel less tight, then you get those awful curved edges and motion sickness kicks in.
I just don't like it. It feels weird and it feels unnatural, because even though it tries to mimic how we see the real world with our own eyes, the truth is that our own eyes give us a perspective and a peripheral vision that a 1st person camera in a videogame doesn't really mimic well, and the end result is a sort of uncanny valley where it's supposed to feel natural, but it doesn't quite manage it. It's actually one of the reasons why I've never been into 1st person shooters. It's not because of the sooting, it's because of the 1st person view.
I can see how this is going to be deeply divisive, because it's a matter of taste, of how different people experience the game. But personally, I can say loud and clear that it is a big disappointment.
Being 1st person instead of 3rd person is not going to be a dealbreaker for me. I'm not going to pass on a good game just because I would have prefered 3rd person, but it's going to be detrimental to my enjoyment for sure. People tend to bring up games like Elder Scrolls or Deus Ex. Those are great games indeed, and I like them. But there wasn't a single play session of Oblivion or Deux Ex when I didn't think, "Jaysus this would be so great if it had been designed for 3rd person perspective". And I know that Oblivion could be played in 3rd person, but it clearly wasn't designed for it.
We all have our reasons, but for me, playing in 1st person has always felt like seeing the world through a window on the wall. It just feels constrained, limited, and if I increase the field of view (if the option is even there to begin with) to a point where it starts to feel less tight, then you get those awful curved edges and motion sickness kicks in.
I just don't like it. It feels weird and it feels unnatural, because even though it tries to mimic how we see the real world with our own eyes, the truth is that our own eyes give us a perspective and a peripheral vision that a 1st person camera in a videogame doesn't really mimic well, and the end result is a sort of uncanny valley where it's supposed to feel natural, but it doesn't quite manage it. It's actually one of the reasons why I've never been into 1st person shooters. It's not because of the sooting, it's because of the 1st person view.
I can see how this is going to be deeply divisive, because it's a matter of taste, of how different people experience the game. But personally, I can say loud and clear that it is a big disappointment.
If they are surprised by peoples reaction then they are not the CDPR i know for the last few years.
I am not saying "vocal minority of THIS FORUM", I am saying "vocal minority of GAMERS".
First Person view haters are flooding to the forums to cry over the choice.
It doesn't really represent the WHOLE GAMERS on the planet Earth.
I mean, come on people. How bad does your life have to be in order to be "ultra-depressed" from such a thing? Am I happy about the FP only? Hell no. Do I want the TP in this game? Hell yeah. But we all shouldn´t forget that guys and girls at CDPR tried both modes and if the FP is the only way to go, they have to have their reasons.
On the other hand, my personal opinion is:
I am a huge TP fan and whenever there is an option for this, I am down for it (GTA V, PUBG) so I too really hope that you can find a solution to please both sides. I think now is the crucial moment to decide and listen to your audience.
On the other hand, my personal opinion is:
I am a huge TP fan and whenever there is an option for this, I am down for it (GTA V, PUBG) so I too really hope that you can find a solution to please both sides. I think now is the crucial moment to decide and listen to your audience.
Well, since they are difficult to do, or rather do not care, so be it. Players also do not care what they find difficult to do. Why then this survey is now needed ?, everything is already accepted. BioWare is also "difficult to implement" normal animation of people in Andromeda, players must remember, yes. Bethesda in Fallout 4 was able, but SDPR is difficult
I think it should be either both or first person only. Third person perspective in buildings, corridors, anything with small details is horrible to play. Having your camera bump into walls in annoying. Having your camera bump into NPCs is annoying. Third person shooters are annoying when fps is possible (I'm no cod/halo fan but there is a reason why fps are popular). First person allows for a much more immersive experience in the western rpg genere (you are your character rather than role playing as a character, like TW) in my opinion, and I'm not the only one.
i don't have a grudge against third person perspective I just know that a tp only experience in a setting with high density will just be a camera bounce fest.
heres an idea, you start the game first person and after a certain point you can access a vendor or something where you can buy a "nano camera" which flys around behind you. I say this a first person will still be first in mind but a third person veiw is an option to those who want it in a "lore friendly" option.
i don't have a grudge against third person perspective I just know that a tp only experience in a setting with high density will just be a camera bounce fest.
heres an idea, you start the game first person and after a certain point you can access a vendor or something where you can buy a "nano camera" which flys around behind you. I say this a first person will still be first in mind but a third person veiw is an option to those who want it in a "lore friendly" option.
Nope. It's just made by another person who thinks that slapping TPP into the game that is close to being finished is 15 minutes of work.
can you explain the definition of RPG in your eyes?
For me, a "proper" RPG is Deus Ex, Bloodlines, Kotor 2, Planescape Torment. For me, a camera perspective never affects the quality of the game. But the flood of claims that "a RPG with Third Person view is always more RPG than a RPG with First Person view" is very absurd. I would prefer System Shock over Mass Effect Andromeda any time.
First Person view doesn't make a game "Shooter" and Third Person view doesn't make a game "RPG".
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