Gambling in Night City?

[Metropolice]

Honestly, clearing out a casinos Fallout: New Vegas was probably my favourite part about the game...I really wouldn't mind being able to do that in CP2077 ^^

It's kinda funny I read this sentence as I am - right now - gambling in a casino in New Vegas right now, intending to "clearing it out" gambling-wise, not guns blazing though, if that's what you meant

 

[EngryEngineer]

If they do have some gambling, there needs to be street level gambling, not just casinos and such, but let me go throw the bones in an alley or school some fools in spades/dominos/mahjong in the back of a shady bodega.

 

[Madae]

From an immersion standpoint, you can't go wrong with some mini-games. I would prefer it wasn't something like Gwent, though. Also, I've always been kind of a fan of the game within a game thing. Obviously people in future-world will have some sort of entertainment outside of gambling, booze and sex, so some sort of arcade would be neat.

 

[EV-9D9]

It's kinda funny I read this sentence as I am - right now - gambling in a casino in New Vegas right now, intending to "clearing it out" gambling-wise, not guns blazing though, if that's what you meant

Oh yeah, I meant gambling, not going full genocidal maniac

 

[Al-Amira]

Bare-knuckle fighting/street fights/boxing/whatever you want to call it... I'll be a bit disappointed if this is left out as a minisport/side activity.

Edit: Wouldn't mind gambling either.

 

[animalfather]

i want to bet on fightng dogs. maybe even raise my own pitt and have it fight for cash

 

[Gyurim]

So basically will be or will be no Gwent in Cyberpunk?

 

[lelxrv]

I'm all for non-combat options to earn money/goods. So gambling, stealing, sports or whatever - yes please.

 

[Bellator Pius Gratus]

Gambling as with real money?
Not interested.

Gambling as in playing Pazaak in KOTOR, dice and Gwent like in the Witcher, Caravan in New Vegas and hell...even the quasar slots in Mass Effect, I'm game! Heh, get it...game!

Throw in some Braindance games as well! There's an idea for ya, devs!
@Marcin Momot

I mean, look at these highrollers from the trailer. Of course they entertain some friendly recreational games now and then.
I mean besides the boozin', partying and what not.
Then again, this might be all business.

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i want to bet on fightng dogs. maybe even raise my own pitt and have it fight for cash

If you mean robot dogs then yeah! Otherwise, not for me thanks. Though come to think of it, in Mass Effect they let you bet on Varrens.

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But hey...this comes to mind.

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I'll gladly bet on those odds.

 

[EngryEngineer]

Gambling as with real money?
Not interested.

Gambling as in playing Pazaak in KOTOR, dice and Gwent like in the Witcher, Caravan in New Vegas and hell...even the quasar slots in Mass Effect, I'm game! Heh, get it...game!

I know I can only speak for myself, but for sure I'm only interested in IN-GAME gambling with in-game currency. No loot boxes or whatever for me, and since CDPR has definitively said that is a ludicrous idea for this game I don't think we need to belabor that point.

But hey...this comes to mind.

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I'll gladly bet on those odds.

Yeah I'm all for betting on this, with that cable running into the bot I'm curious if it is autonomous or piloted by a netrunner in which case that is a tough bet (though I'm always gonna put my chips on team hax0r).

 

[lelxrv]

Gambling with real money? Are people crazy?

I think the game needs an option to star in a porn film for quick buck. Akin to Fallout 2.

 

[EngryEngineer]

I wasn't sure how I wanted to vote on this, I went with "something else let me explain" just because I think a lot of forms of gambling could really flesh this out, but since it is based in the real world -ish I would much prefer that the games be more based on real world games and not just something entirely made up like Gwent/Pazaak/Caravan/etc. If they want to add some new thing in I'm game, but lets have some of the games of chance that have persisted in our world for hundreds of years as well.

That said, while I think some interesting gambling opportunities could add to the experience, I don't feel like I'd really be losing anything if they weren't there at all.

 

[BaalNergal]

I want poker, Texas hold'em, blackjack, slots, fight betting, horse race betting, car betting, etc. Basically, let me gamble to my heart's content... or until I run out of bullets from gunning down the card sharks to get my money back.

 

[BontaHellion]

I really liked Pazaak in KOTOR, just as I liked gambling in Fallout New Vegas at the strip.

Comparable mini-games in CP2077 would instantly win me over, assuming the world continues around you (people continue to move, time does not necessarily freeze).

I hope those are considered in various styles, e.g. something common people can play in various areas or anywhere to something usually done in certain places like casinos.

Might go "immersive mode" and if you can lose money, not reload. Hey, we've all been there, right?

Makes any gamble a tougher one.

I'd spend hours on end in casinos and the like to earn some Eurodollars for new equipment or things. Or lose them all.

Law.

and here is a link that is not written by a lawyer but still explains it well
https://www.gtaboom.com/gta-online-casino-illegal/

edit: extra: when you can gamble in-game and use that somehow to transfer it to real money it is illegal. (in Cyberpunk 2077 it is not the other way around bcz we will not pay with 'sharkcards' or a monthly fee)

TL;DR : online gambling is illegal in most countries

TL;DR NO, is not illegal in most countries, your articles doesn't say that, he doesn't even mention the law that forbids it or the countries/states that have said law (and this is not about that lootcrate bs), ¿ever heard of online poker/blackjack/roulette?, you can make online casinos but you can't have minors betting on them.
If I recall correcly GTA is rated M, and you CAN bet in GTA already, in car races and DMs but that is with ingame money that you can get through sharkcards too, something doesn't add-up, ¿GTA can't get casinos because players might buy sharkcard to bet in them but you can already bet the same money you'll bet in those casinos in other parts of the game?, pretty amateur article in my opinion, even if players win they have no way to turn their winnings into real money, so where is the crime.
ALSO, if you make an amount of in-game currency and you sell it for real money is not illegal. It is as legal as selling clothes or games online.

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It is rather inconclusive at this time, pending further research and inquiries.

Most regulations and laws seem to refer to actual gambling where, often, you have real money or assets involved or have the intent to profit via real money and assets either directly or potentially through some grey market.

The only argument I can see here now is taking "online gambling" literally because that, assuming we have gambling and coop in the game, you could say "Well you are a) doing something that could be dubbed as gambling and b) doing so with a computer and over an online connection, so it's technically online gambling".

But if no real money is involved, I consider it a moot point and I question whether real authorities would feel a need to regulate here. Other criticisms (including over controversial loot boxes in Overwatch, BF II, etc.) I've seen is the "think of the children" factor where it is questioned if such mechanics could encourage such vices and addictions.

Even if we consider the mere act of simulating real gambling activities as "special", just like certain nudity or excessive gore would require regulation or restrictions in movies, works of art, games, etc.: CP2077 would surely aim for or get a mature tag, an "adults only" rating, so minors should (on paper anyway) not play the game anyway and thus not get in contact with such contents including gambling simulations, unlike BF II or Overwatch that have milder ratings (lootbox debate).

My view summarized: Long story short, you being able to gamble in the game is fine, it likely gets a mature (18+) rating. Being able to do so in a COOP setting should be fine either if the "real money involved aspect" is not covered at all, respective laws should not be applicable there in my view or, all in all, consider it a non-issue due to the rating if "think of the children" plays a role. And even if CDPR through their lawyers and so on deem it "potentially or actually tricky": Just turn it off for COOP then if it actually would be some sort of issue.

I still expect gambling related activities in general for the game. Just like you had in Fallout: New Vegas.

Agree, If there is no real money involved then what's the big deal of making a COOP CASINO, I don't get people against it you literally lose nothing betting on it, hours of playtime MAYBE, and it can always be OPTIONAL, there won't be microtransactions in CP2077 so why even worry. Geez

 

[SigilFey]

I would definitely like to see this, as long as it's not overdone. I don't really care for exploitable gambling mechanics (like Fable) or empty mechanics that are there as a mostly empty distraction (Texas Hold'em in FarCry). Like anything else in an RPG, I would want gambling to open up meaningful solutions to problems (moreso than just money). If the player gambles well, have it grant access to special NPCs, provide alternative solutions to quests, unique gear, etc.

All part of my ongoing desire to see gameplay mechanics in RPGs start getting more adventurous.

 

[BabalKabak]

I chose "something else"... so either it would be :
- a table top game with original rules, mostly holographic 3D display. No card game though, so the players won't think about a Gwent 2.0.
- gambling on Live sports and fights (having brawlers fighting training robots gives me a huge desire for cyber fights... like signing in for competition myself or watching Live augmented sports and gambling on them).
- not having a "traditional" gambling game, but instead being able to bet some cash on street basketball mini game, like 3 vs 3 wile you are one of the players. This, or some other sports that the locals use to practice on a living.

 

[helios969]

I'd be down with it...be cool to have some side story stuff tied to a high end casino. Of course you can bet the moral police will whine irrespective of no actual money changing hands.

 

[NorseGraphics]

Yes, how about a round of Pazaak?

TL;DR : online gambling is illegal in most countries

Tell that to EA....

 

[roundpitt]

Well, Witcher 1 and 2 have dice poker, which is basically gambling. So I don't see how something similar wouldn't be possible in Cyberpunk 2077.

As for whether I would want it; sure, why not. As long as it would be 100% optional, of course.

I would not be surprised if CDPR created a new gambling game for CP2077. It seems to be a running thing they do in their games?

 

[whitewolf2077]

Hope we get all kinds of minigames in CP77. Some (or all) of them should involve gambling. I would love if we could have one or two casinos fully represented in the game. Imagine that, a cyberpunk casino. How would that be? I think it should be even more ruthless in trying to make you play (and lose) money and use all the avaible technology in it's favor to accomplish that.

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I would not be surprised if CDPR created a new gambling game for CP2077.

Hope that's the case, although I would like to see some classical minigames too. Expecting to see a great variety.