Gambling in Night City?

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Gambling?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Something else... let me explain


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We all know that gambling in videogames are a no-go. Hell... even in GTA 5 they had to cut the casino out of the game...
This is bcz of the online aspect.. sooo

Can CD Projekt RED tell us if there is an option to gamble our Eddies away? If so... the would be MP is then economically separated from the main game...

Would you want to dive in the arcade hall's and poker dens in Night City?
 
hum..gambling like play poker and such ? nah . Not big on that...

Been playing kotor 1 and 2 , and both have Pazaak and swoop racing . And both of those require you to pay up and if you win , you get alot of money .

So voted 'Something else..' , since I rather they have futuristic mini-games of their own , instead of a Gambling casino .
 
hum..gambling like play poker and such ? nah . Not big on that...

Been playing kotor 1 and 2 , and both have Pazaak and swoop racing . And both of those require you to pay up and if you win , you get alot of money .

So voted 'Something else..' , since I rather they have futuristic mini-games of their own , instead of a Gambling casino .

Figured as much. With Revan in your name. (I liked that story to.)
And futuristic games ofc! In the arcade 😊


In general.. if we have gambling... even if optional.. then co-op multiplayer is not possible.. thats is a big if
 
I tend to enjoy video game casinos but that's probably because in most cases they're meant to be won unlike their real counterparts. Alexia's suggestion would be nice as well. Pazack was fun once you had a decent card pack. Of course, I'm the type to reload when I begin losing.

CD has shown they can make amusing card games already after all. Perhaps it could even trigger a hidden quest. Win enough to gain the casino's ire so they take you to the back room and try to find out how you keep winning and discourage you from doing it. So you murder them all. Well that or maybe talk your way out but clearly mass murder is the only truly moral thing to do.
 
I really liked Pazaak in KOTOR, just as I liked gambling in Fallout New Vegas at the strip.

Comparable mini-games in CP2077 would instantly win me over, assuming the world continues around you (people continue to move, time does not necessarily freeze).

I hope those are considered in various styles, e.g. something common people can play in various areas or anywhere to something usually done in certain places like casinos.

Might go "immersive mode" and if you can lose money, not reload. Hey, we've all been there, right?

Makes any gamble a tougher one.

I'd spend hours on end in casinos and the like to earn some Eurodollars for new equipment or things. Or lose them all.
 
Yes, there should be gambling in the game. Various card and casino games, and some new arcade-type slot-machines where you bet for your performance in some sort of puzzle or act of nimbleness.

It would also be neat if there was a skill for gambling. Not to make you have better luck with cards or dice, but to possibly spot a cheat and maybe try to cheat a bit yourself (RNG checks for success).
 
I want to point out again that when there is gambling.. there is NO CO-OP possible.

there are other options for multiplayer.. but no multi player that is in the same world with the same weapons.


ps. this is also the reason i came up with the idea for a VR-Cafe where you can hook-up in the VR-World to play MP. and in that world you have to earn everything separate. soo.. in Night City you can be No-one (but with a high 'Cool' stat) and in VR-World you are the King.
 
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We can't have COOP if there is gambling in the game? I only read "it's not possible / we can't have it", but not why exactly, unless I missed the answer somewhere.

1) Why? Is that a law somewhere, even if the context is clearly fictional and part of a game?
2) You could turn it off in COOP regardless of whatever problem it might bring up in an online environment.
 
We can't have COOP if there is gambling in the game? I only read "it's not possible / we can't have it", but not why exactly, unless I missed the answer somewhere.

1) Why? Is that a law somewhere, even if the context is clearly fictional and part of a game?
2) You could turn it off in COOP regardless of whatever problem it might bring up in an online environment.

Law.

and here is a link that is not written by a lawyer but still explains it well
https://www.gtaboom.com/gta-online-casino-illegal/

edit: extra: when you can gamble in-game and use that somehow to transfer it to real money it is illegal. (in Cyberpunk 2077 it is not the other way around bcz we will not pay with 'sharkcards' or a monthly fee)

TL;DR : online gambling is illegal in most countries
 
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Would be rather anticlimatic if there was no gambling, either disable it for multi, or don't do multi. However, I would also love to see Cyberpunk version of gwent ( meaning some elaborate minigame, not necessary card one).
 
Law.

and here is a link that is not written by a lawyer but still explains it well
https://www.gtaboom.com/gta-online-casino-illegal/

edit: extra: when you can gamble in-game and use that somehow to transfer it to real money it is illegal. (in Cyberpunk 2077 it is not the other way around bcz we will not pay with 'sharkcards' or a monthly fee)

TL;DR : online gambling is illegal in most countries


Secondly, Online gambling is quite literally illegal. In some countries or states, the mere possibility of real money being involved due to Shark Cards would make this illegal activity, effectively forcing local authorities to ban the game. Even though players have no means of turning in-game currency into actual money, only the other way around, the mere fact that actual cash can in some tangential way be related to an in-game activity which simulates gambling can make this thing a literal crime.
- Taken from your link above

As hinted at by the quote and your own post.

Where is the problem for Cyberpunk 2077 in that matter if there's not even a "remote thing" (such as Shark cards in GTA) of real money involved as far as we can guess at this time?

I'm not an expert of gambling related laws (per country) and would need to look for (or be ideally provided with) the relevant laws that would just ban the mere notion of gambling in games (and online, more specifically) with no real money involved.

But so far I see no issue here because the quotes so far rather seem to indicate a problem when real money is used or can be used making it "actual gambling" with real currency. Not simply gambling in a coop context in a game, thus fictional setting, with no real money involved.
 
- Taken from your link above

As hinted at by the quote and your own post.

Where is the problem for Cyberpunk 2077 in that matter if there's not even a "remote thing" (such as Shark cards in GTA) of real money involved as far as we can guess at this time?

I'm not an expert of gambling related laws (per country) and would need to look for (or be ideally provided with) the relevant laws that would just ban the mere notion of gambling in games (and online, more specifically) with no real money involved.

But so far I see no issue here because the quotes so far rather seem to indicate a problem when real money is used or can be used making it "actual gambling" with real currency. Not simply gambling in a coop context in a game, thus fictional setting, with no real money involved.

use google and your imagination
then you will find what you cant see yet.
 
use google and your imagination
then you will find what you cant see yet.

It is rather inconclusive at this time, pending further research and inquiries.

Most regulations and laws seem to refer to actual gambling where, often, you have real money or assets involved or have the intent to profit via real money and assets either directly or potentially through some grey market.

The only argument I can see here now is taking "online gambling" literally because that, assuming we have gambling and coop in the game, you could say "Well you are a) doing something that could be dubbed as gambling and b) doing so with a computer and over an online connection, so it's technically online gambling".

But if no real money is involved, I consider it a moot point and I question whether real authorities would feel a need to regulate here. Other criticisms (including over controversial loot boxes in Overwatch, BF II, etc.) I've seen is the "think of the children" factor where it is questioned if such mechanics could encourage such vices and addictions.

Even if we consider the mere act of simulating real gambling activities as "special", just like certain nudity or excessive gore would require regulation or restrictions in movies, works of art, games, etc.: CP2077 would surely aim for or get a mature tag, an "adults only" rating, so minors should (on paper anyway) not play the game anyway and thus not get in contact with such contents including gambling simulations, unlike BF II or Overwatch that have milder ratings (lootbox debate).

My view summarized: Long story short, you being able to gamble in the game is fine, it likely gets a mature (18+) rating. Being able to do so in a COOP setting should be fine either if the "real money involved aspect" is not covered at all, respective laws should not be applicable there in my view or, all in all, consider it a non-issue due to the rating if "think of the children" plays a role. And even if CDPR through their lawyers and so on deem it "potentially or actually tricky": Just turn it off for COOP then if it actually would be some sort of issue.

I still expect gambling related activities in general for the game. Just like you had in Fallout: New Vegas.
 
It is rather inconclusive at this time, pending further research and inquiries.

Most regulations and laws seem to refer to actual gambling where, often, you have real money or assets involved or have the intent to profit via real money and assets either directly or potentially through some grey market.

The only argument I can see here now is taking "online gambling" literally because that, assuming we have gambling and coop in the game, you could say "Well you are a) doing something that could be dubbed as gambling and b) doing so with a computer and over an online connection, so it's technically online gambling".

But if no real money is involved, I consider it a moot point and I question whether real authorities would feel a need to regulate here. Other criticisms (including over controversial loot boxes in Overwatch, BF II, etc.) I've seen is the "think of the children" factor where it is questioned if such mechanics could encourage such vices and addictions.

Even if we consider the mere act of simulating real gambling activities as "special", just like certain nudity or excessive gore would require regulation or restrictions in movies, works of art, games, etc.: CP2077 would surely aim for or get a mature tag, an "adults only" rating, so minors should (on paper anyway) not play the game anyway and thus not get in contact with such contents including gambling simulations, unlike BF II or Overwatch that have milder ratings (lootbox debate).

My view summarized: Long story short, you being able to gamble in the game is fine, it likely gets a mature (18+) rating. Being able to do so in a COOP setting should be fine either if the "real money involved aspect" is not covered at all, respective laws should not be applicable there in my view or, all in all, consider it a non-issue due to the rating if "think of the children" plays a role. And even if CDPR through their lawyers and so on deem it "potentially or actually tricky": Just turn it off for COOP then if it actually would be some sort of issue.

I still expect gambling related activities in general for the game. Just like you had in Fallout: New Vegas.

i agree with you that, when a game is 18+ gambling shouldn't be an issue.
But if there is somehow a way to gamble your way to get items in an online game and use that in a co-op to 'help' other players.. then there is a way to get real money out of it.. if the other players would pay you for your serves....

i know i know.. but.. gaming law is a part of gambling law.
and there are countries (Belgium and more?) that ban all lootboxes / online gambling)
 
Um, Red Dead Redemption proves you wrong...

It's not allowed when you can spend real money to buy fake money in the game and other micro transactions.

your logic is sound.. but you miss soo much information that your conclusion wrong.
 
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