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Game easily uses 2gb of VRAM, might be why....you are crashing

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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
Game easily uses 2gb of VRAM, might be why....you are crashing

I see a lot of people reporting crashes, etc. and they are like "I'm running a GTX 770 SLI" or similar and it should be stronger than a GTX 9xx series, I don't understand!

Well, a GTX 770 only has 2gb of VRAM, whether you have 1 or 4 of them, you only have 2gb available. And I think a small chunk of that is dedicated to the card.

I have shadows medium, blur off, DOF turned off (can't tell a difference with it), AA off, with everything else ON like sharpening, vignette, HBAO+, etc. and EVERYTHING ultra (with shadows being only exception) and running 1920 x 1080.

Using GPU-Z, I set the sensor section to record max VRAM usage and played a bit with the settings mentioned above. Max mem usage recorded for card was 2054. So 2gb of VRAM was used with barely any of the intensive settings on like AA or higher shadows. I'm running a GTX 970 so I still have nearly 1.5gb of free. I can obviously run AA (and have since turned it on since testing; been forgetting to measure how much difference there is) and shadows ultra if I want. But those of you running 2gb cards (or worse, 1gb) can NOT run everything ultra regardless if you are SLI with last years higher-end card. Why it's taken so long for VRAM's importance to seep into the conscious of gamers is beyond me. It doesn't matter if you have the hp to run the game if you don't have the track to run it down.

I suggest googling "GPU-Z" and downloading it's most recent version. Once downloaded, open it. First box looks very similar to CPU-Z's layout where it lists the card's static figures. Select the "Sensor" tab. You'll now see a cascading list of all the different sensors like temp, core, mem, etc. Select the Memory drop down box arrow. Then select "max". Can do the same for temp too if you are curious how hot the card gets while gaming. Then minimize the program so it'll run in the background (To reopen, go to the hidden icons box on windows or open task manager and select GPU-Z, then maximize; do NOT click the run option from the short cut or you'll have 2 instances running and 2nd instance won't list your max values). Now open the game and play for 30 minutes then quit and go check. How much VRAM did it record? If it list 2gb and your card only has 2gb, you need to lower settings. AA, shadows, and resolution are the biggest VRAM usage offenders.

Keep in mind if you are running a nvidia card and have your Global Settings set to max everything with options like override program settings or enhance selected, and you are running 4, 8, or 16 AA, or other settings known to eat VRAM, go to the game's tab, and manually default everything so you aren't taking a big hit in performance right off the bat. 16 AF doesn't eat VRAM and greatly improves the image. Do NOT run DSR with down sampled 4k!! I tried it once with my test settings and the game bogged down heavily. I didn't record the VRAM usage there but with AA off and shadows medium, and resolution set to 4k, it's definitely using more than 4gb.

Also, RAM usage in this game is HIGH. I'm running 16gb of RAM, and game just idling uses around 40% of RAM (parts of system obviously included there).That means if I had 8gb of RAM, it'd be using 80%. If I only had 4gb of RAM (or worse 32 bit Windows) I'd be overdrawn. Though maybe it detects RAM and limits it silently, I dunno.

Point is, before you blame CD or the game for constant crashes, maybe investigate if your card and system are actually up to snuff to run the game properly at the settings you've selected.
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
Theres a guy on youtube with a g3259 at 4.4 and a 750 ti and he can run it perfectly.

Wheras I have a g3258 and a 960 and my game freezes up every 5 minutes.

Iv given up
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
I have everything on low it makes no difference.

ANd i deleted that bit sorry mate, just so so annoyed that i freeze every 5 minutes
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
bremkat28 said:
Theres a guy on youtube with a g3259 at 4.4 and a 750 ti and he can run it perfectly.

Whereas I have a g3258 and a 960 and my game freezes up every 5 minutes.

Iv given up
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A little more info would be really helpful, like what settings you are using and what resolution, which driver are you running, did you install the debug console, etc.?

EDIT: No worries.
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
I have a thread up but noones answered.

I have everything at low just to see if this would still happen and it does.

I have the latest drivers and i have tried the hotfix ones.

Exactly the same problem.

Whats the debug console?

Oh and iv limited the frames with rtts to 50 but i can get 60 fps no problem and barely any dips. Basically the problem is the game will freeze for 2 or 3 seconds then be fine again.

Im only in the first village and I cant go on.

I have vsync off and fps unlimited.

Trilinear optimisation and high performance on in the nvidia control panel

also got 8gb of ram.

Iv tried on a few different resolutions but the same thing happens, proper driving me crazy, i just want to play :(
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
I've noticed when the game auto saves, on mine it freezes for a split second sometimes. Talking like a fraction of a second, it's like a tiny stutter, but barely noticeable. I'm still running patch 1.03 with driver 352.86 (it's the driver released specifically for this game) and game has been great, performance-wise and FPS never drop enough that I can tell. Towns are strong too.


Try this as I think it'll help you. Go to the save folder, and manually copy all your saves then put them somewhere else like your desktop in a user created folder. If you have gog version, saves are in Appdata -> local -> My Documents -> The Witcher 3 -> Game Saves. If you use Steam, google their location.

1. After you've made copies of your saves, uninstall the game.

2. If you have the most recent video driver, roll it back to 352.86.

3. Reinstall the game and make sure any DX11 updates and run time libraries are installed.

4. Do NOT update to the most recent patch. This is a must! If you can find patch 1.03 (somewhere), install that one but nothing later (NO 1.04-1.05-1.06). (I have 1.03 but need a way to give it to you)

5. After game is installed, patch it to 1.03. (Gog has patch 1.02 still and that's needed to "play" the game or rather to get the game working, so in lieu of 1.03, use Gog's "1.02 patch to play"). Go back to the game save folder and copy your saves back in. If folder isn't there, start game, get to where you can save, save then quit. Then copy all your saves over and delete the save it made.

I'm fairly certain older patched games i.e. 1.03 will work with newer patched saves, but not the other way around. Worse case I'm wrong and you can patch it later again or start over if still in White Orchard. If the save doesn't work, start a new game and see if it's playing correctly or not. It should play OK. If it doesn't, then you might have a hardware issue or something wrong with your DX11 files, run times files, etc. which will need updated or fixed.
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
Just going to do that now.

Thanks very much for taking the time to answer.

I shall report back with good news hopefully sir!!

Oh and i barely have a save so will i just clean install then do the steps yeah?
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
Yeah, just use the patch 1.02 to "play" and leave it at that. Then get game fired up (with 352.86 graphic driver) and it should work. Leave hairworks OFF until you get 1.03. It was slow on 1.02 but performance increased with 1.03.

I'm probably 150 hours into the game now having done all side quests (except a handful of horse races as I hate horse riding in this) and am at the Battle of Kaer Morhen with every done including DLC that's been available and game plays great. If it was going to crash or really act up, it would have by now. Best advice is read up on bugged quests FIRST so have an idea of what to avoid. SAVE MANUALLY at least every 15-25 minutes so you can go back in case of a bad bug. Most bugs seem to be from doing things out of order or waiting until too late and character won't be available because he's elsewhere (Roche), etc.


Hope it works out. Enough people have complained about 1.05 and later patches hurting performance I have to believe it is. You'd think a company making hundreds of millions off this game could hire 100 guys to fix everything ASAP, but alas they are sipping martinis on a private island they bought with our money :(
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
Spoilers lol.

I averted my eyes, only minor though :)

Also what settings do you use in the control panel?

Thanks

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When you say manually default everything so you mean just restore defaults in the 3d settings bit yeah?
 
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etsubmariner13

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Jun 18, 2015
My only lasting, consistent solution for my 980 was rolling all the way back to​ 347.88. Most stable drivers combined with my rig I could do to resolve the crashing.
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
I wouldn't have 8 AA forced, set for example. If your Global settings are forcing 8 AA (or even 4AA) in Global, then the game will have that forced. When games weren't that intensive, I used to max everything in Global Settings and forget about it. Can't do that anymore.

I'm suggesting pulling up the game, and defaulting it's settings IF your Global Settings are maxing everything if you are having performance issues. If your game now plays fine, you can up settings until it can't take anymore. With 2gb cards, these current gen games can cripple them easily, as I pointed out with GPU-Z observations. Games like this REALLY need a VRAM usage slider like GTA V has that not only shows you how much mem you are eating up with each option, but locks the user out from setting too much.

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Game breaking bugs that halt quests altogether need to be known to the player less you get there and can't continue. No actual plot spoilers were revealed.
 
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PrincessMassacre

Senior user
#13
Jun 18, 2015
WillyDio said:
Well, a GTX 770 only has 2gb of VRAM, whether you have 1 or 4 of them, you only have 2gb available. And I think a small chunk of that is dedicated to the card.
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just for reference, i have a hd7870, 2gb. no crashing. even upped texture budget to 800 (helps when you leav then come back to an area, less constant lod cycling).
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
You have everything Ultra, 1920 x 1080? Because I doubt you. Run GPU-Z and tell me how much VRAM you are using.
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
WillyDio said:
I wouldn't have 8 AA forced, set for example. If your Global settings are forcing 8 AA (or even 4AA) in Global, then the game will have that forced. When games weren't that intensive, I used to max everything in Global Settings and forget about it. Can't do that anymore.

I'm suggesting pulling up the game, and defaulting it's settings IF your Global Settings are maxing everything if you are having performance issues. If your game now plays fine, you can up settings until it can't take anymore. With 2gb cards, these current gen games can cripple them easily, as I pointed out with GPU-Z observations. Games like this REALLY need a VRAM usage slider like GTA V has that not only shows you how much mem you are eating up with each option, but locks the user out from setting too much.

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Game breaking bugs that halt quests altogether need to be known to the player less you get there and can't continue. No actual plot spoilers were revealed.
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You sir. ARE A GENIUS!!

Literally tried so many things that i was probably overelaborating.

Iv had a couple of tiny freezes but i can handle them.

Just killed the Noonwraith thats further than I had got before and no lagging or stuttering at all.

Thanks a million buddy:)
 
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Black_Iris

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Jun 18, 2015
WillyDio said:
You have everything Ultra, 1920 x 1080? Because I doubt you. Run GPU-Z and tell me how much VRAM you are using.
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Gpu-Z is HARDLY a good way to measure VRAM usage on a game, Afterburner or EVGA precision are good tools for that.

At 1080p in ultra W3 uses about 1.5 gb of VRAM on patch 1.05 onwards (since mipmaps were introduced). You can find even videos on YouTube about resource monitorage, btw.

P.S; If you play on borderless window then the OS will force triple buffering increasing the VRAM usage.
 
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digitalray

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Jun 18, 2015
i got 1250 mb vram with high textures and 1850 mb vram with ultra textures, shadows meidum, foliage distance low, 1280x720. FXAA.

nice way to run ultra textures with a 2gb card (760M)
 
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WillyDio

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Jun 18, 2015
GPU-Z will log the max usage if you set that way. It has a light footprint and doesn't interfere with anything, and is super simple to navigate. I use EVGA Precision X 16 for OC and k-boost. Maybe you can elaborate on how it's "hardly a good way"? Seems accurate to me.

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bremkat28 said:
You sir. ARE A GENIUS!!

Literally tried so many things that i was probably overelaborating.

Iv had a couple of tiny freezes but i can handle them.

Just killed the Noonwraith thats further than I had got before and no lagging or stuttering at all.

Thanks a million buddy:)
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Glad it was helpful! I had a feeling if you were running the same driver and at least same patch or earlier patch, it'd have to straighten out for you given you have a 960 and others have had good luck running that card with this game, or you'd at least know it was something in your rig. Which patch are you running? 1.02? Or did you find a 1.03? If you can get patch 1.03, you should see an improvement. I know when I 1st tried hair works, it was eating up some serious card power. After 1.03, I've been running setting "2" and it's not been an issue.

Also seems to verify patch 1.05 to 1.06 should probably be avoided.
 
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bremkat28

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Jun 18, 2015
I have 1.03 on mate.

Just done all the quests in the first village, 3 tiny freezes. Hardly game breaking.

Delighted!!!

Lets just hope Novigrad is ok .......
 
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thelostdunmer

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Jun 18, 2015
This is really odd. I'm using a GTX 560 Ti with only 1GB VRAM and I can play Witcher 3 very well at 1366*768 native resolution (I know, I know). In fact I'm on my 3rd playthrough with all DLCs and patched to 1.06. I haven't touched the default graphics settings since I installed the game. However, I have toned down processing to low, with sharpening to low, vignette, chromatic aberrations, light shafts, vsynch, and bloom enabled. I also have it on fullscreen not borderless window as the game hangs after quiting. I also optimize regularly my hardisk by defragmenting after playing the game.

I was planning to upgrade too to a newer card for fear of not able to play Witcher 3 but I was glad I didn't.

My lower than required minimum specifications.
Intel Core i3 3220 @ 3.3 Ghz, dual-core, four threads
8GB RAM
GTX 560 Ti 1GB VRAM
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
Nvidia 353.06 driver
 
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