I believe that the relationship to gaming journalism is that it's being reported in a certain sector of the gaming press as "Gamers objecting to trans NPC" rather than "Gamers objecting to buggy game".
Which is very strange since GG initially wanted ethics in journalism to insure every dev will be taken seriously and reporded on equally.
Not really, we just let them know that we don't like the changes which they made to one of the great Rpg series of all time... as we can with our free speech. I don't demand anything of them since they don't give a fuck what I or anyone else is saying anyway, it's easier to delete threads and ban people. Whole thing will end up in low sales of this DLC and I for one will be very glad about it.
And it is related to games journalism.. just read some articles about it on any of the "games media" sites.
Also @Dragonbird just nailed it.
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Of course. If they cared about an issue, they would do their damn best to provide the highest quality work possible, and wouldn't even think of saying things like "I don't care if it feels forced." (Well, I mostly speak about the writer here, but I digress). If you care about something, you would layer it and provide it in such a high quality manner that no one would even be able to open their mouths against it. I don't think anyone (well, anyone who can think at least a little bit) would be against seeing a specific character in a game, as long as it is not there "just to be there". As long as any issue/character/quest is made properly, I don't think anyone would speak against it.
@KIrving I personally am not a hair's width against seeing whatever character in a game. Give me LGBTQ, give me characters with any political/philosophical leaning, characters with any life view, education level, profession, and so on. But don't do it lazily. Don't put a character in a game just so that they would be there. If you want to push for a progressive agenda, do it (I am actually REALLY progressive
). But doing it without giving proper care, without providing high quality background, without making it actually a "character" but making it rather a "type"... It doesn't give enough respect to the underlying philosophy, I'd think. It cheapens it. (Oh, and changing an original character so much? That's a big no no. Just create your own character Amber, why being so lazy?.. )Anyway, the game's many, MANY negative reviews are about its bugs and glitches, by the way. Just to remind. If I call Bethesda on their buggy messes, I have to call Beamdog on theirs as well. And no one should encourage buggy releases (unless there is an appropriate reason for it, like going bankrupt - Troika/Vampire the Masquareade: Bloodlines comes to mind), and everyone should vote with their wallets.
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GamerGate has been hijacked by so many questionable individuals at this point that it's probably best to just leave it in the past. That is the problem with most monolithic institutions and social movements: invariably the inept and corrupt infiltrate them and use these organizations to service their own agendas. Employing a hashtag created by the actor Adam Baldwin doesn't lend any additional credibility to one's arguments, and if gamers want to fight for ethics in journalism, they should do so on their own without having recourse to an internet campaign that is itself morally and ethically dubious. In the interest of fairness, I will say that the SJW scene is plagued with just as many problems. While the majority of people who adopt that moniker are fighting for admirable goals, e.g. acceptance of women in the gaming community and increased diversity, they are being subverted by a vocal minority that seems to hate their male peers without reservation or compromise, one that lobbies in support of diversity only for diversity's sake, without giving a thought to whether it actually supports and enhances the narrative.
What surprises me more, is that writers should know better. It's simply considered poor work when characters are Mary Sues, "forced" or simply OOC, which makes the story literary inconsistent. Who else if not writers should know their craft well? Players correcting them in this, shows that they didn't hire right people. If the point of the writer though is some special directed satire, black humor or something the like, then such things can be possibly expected. But then the question is, should this game be the medium for such things? I guess Beamdog thinks it should. And even then, satire can be well crafted and not crude.
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Yes, they should know better, and said writer should visit some writing classes and learn the rules on how to writer a character and make it believable. It´s not rocket sience really. She should also maybe read Elements of Style by William Strunk. But i´m with Stephen King here, you can´t become a good writer if you are just bad. But i shouldn´t have expected more, when the biggest achievement from this writer is working for Pathfinder and getting shown out the door because she was that terrible and tried to inject her beliefs in a similar way.
In the end, this was just using a beloved franchise as a medium to bring forward the ideology of a few people, no matter if the game, writing or the player experience suffers from it. As much as they try to defend it by pointing fingers at their own customer base, it will be them who suffer from it financially.
But in the meantime, we have the typical click bait articles from Polygon that Beamdog gets attacked for their "inclusivity" from the bad gamers, while the founder of the company baths in one sided, slimy reviews and tweets about his Yoga class. And apparently no one cares about fixing the real issues that leaves enough players struggling to even play without the expansion.
Ugh, i may sound really angry, but i´m just disgusted by this whole mess.
Well, the problem is some of them are calling themself writers when in fact they are someone like me. Look I like to write short stories and other things from time to time, (and yeah I will not make them public since I know my current level of competence in making them.) but I would never call myself a writer as I can see how bad from storyline and consistency point of view my "works" are... I might add that creating new characters is the best part of writing for me. So I guess it's more or less a problem of being able to judge your own work objectively after you write it with in case of our modern "writers". (there is also desire to push agenda but I wanted to put my perspective here)
Edit: By the way I just remembered something... even remaking DMC and new image of Dante were less offending to the fan base than what Beamdog did here with existing character.
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I wish, but i highly doubt it. Copyright holders can be the worst, they always feel entitled to anything that comes even close to looking like their product, especially when the rights holder is a faceless company. :x
Public often doesn't grasp the idea that DMCA is corrupted and undemocratic and damaging to society.
I guess it's complexity of the issue that makes it being ignored. May be if someone like John Oliver could explain it to the masses more people would care? He did a good job with net neutrality and mass surveillance issues.
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I don't advocate them removing anything. Leave the shitty writing for prosperity.
Yup. Not impressed by this one. He gives the impression that this is actually important, which seems to reverse his earlier point that this was all a distraction from the real problem, the game bugs.
And I'm not sure that it's a win either.
Maybe not you, but it bothered some people. Liana K, for one, and she certainly wasn't alone; I combed through forum discussions until my eyes glazed over when this was first starting to blow up, and some (including a few GG-types) really did want the line removed. Ian Miles Cheong had a problem with it, too, though his reasons were a bit different than others.
Them's some strange bedfellows.
Look I was pro GG... in fact I still am when you talk about this part of GG that wants gaming journalists to be more ethical. And this line don't make any reaction out of me at all... in other words I don't give a fuck. Is it bad tasting joke? Hell yeah. Do I have a right to to complain? Yes (Not that I will) Do I need to force someone to censor it or remove it?.... yyy isn't that's what other side was doing to us? I thought we were the better ones here. (suddenly confusion)
In the end of the day this one line is a bad joke that should be left alone with other bad jokes made in games through years. Again DMC reboot comes to mind. (Sorry big fan of DMC 3 speaking) Not saying that it was unplayable game.
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I wasn't taking a side there so much as pointing out which people they could be trying to appease by removing it. Personally, my views align with yours in terms of not caring about the joke, and I think its removal is a bad thing for everyone in the end because of the message it sends. I'm just following this stuff on GOG mostly and am too lazy to write down my boring walls of text explaining that in more than one place.
What do butts have to do with this?
LOL! This company makes no sense!!! Add in stupid joke promoting your values, "We are changing the video-game industry!" Then bow to pressure from negative reviews and remove bad joke, even tho that's not what negative reviews were mad about in the first place! LMAO!
Hey Beamdog, why not fix the real problems with your game, like bugs and sh*tty writing! Oh wait.... that'll take another 4 months development time...
Hey Beamdog, why not fix the real problems with your game, like bugs and sh*tty writing! Oh wait.... that'll take another 4 months development time...
I didn't thought that you were taking any side... I was just saying that it feels pointless to me to be glad about it since this line wasn't even one of main complaints to begin with. And as you noticed, not many gamers even care about it.
Bad choice of words there... but yeah maybe it should be left alone in the game as a warning to other devs. If they somehow didn't noticed this shitstorm yet.
Welcome to damage control made in SJW style... they really should teach 101 classes about it, am I right Jesus?!
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